Clancee Pearce

[yakamoto]

On the off chance he gets a game , he should be made to wear long sleeves.

 

[apuchar]

On the off chance he gets a game , he should be made to wear long sleeves.

Agree

 

[Ktrain]

Credit where due to Clancee again. Hard work > talent. From the article though'...

'However, being rookie listed means there’s no guarantee that Pearce will get a game for Freo.

The club already has two veterans (Grover and Pavlich) which means unless a player is moved onto the long-term injury list, Pearce will be ineligible to play until after round 11, as AFL rules stipulate each club can upgrade a rookie at that time (referred to as the nominated rookie) without a player going onto the long-term injury list.'

Obviously the rookie list has been a massive success. But maybe now it's time to change it so that clubs can select their best 22 from anyone? I would still maintain the primary & rookie lists (& drafts) and the difference in base contract/de-listing rules applied to each status. But to not have the option of putting what you think is your best 22 on the park when someone is being paid to be at your club seems odd.

 

[yakka man]

The rookie list is very much outdated and it is ridiculous that a rookie may be in your best 22 but not able to play.

 

[Quokka]

Does having a player on the veterans list free up a senior spot?

I can understand keeping a part of Pav's pay packet outside of the salary cap but would Grover be earning enough to lose the rookie upgrade?

What happens if Grover was still on the main list, lose a senior spot and gain a rookie?

 

[Shaymuhz]

Suban's best football was very much in his first year imo, at that stage he was producing at a higher level than pearce ever has to date. However since then he really has stagnated due to inconsistency most likely brought on by injury and playing unfit/underdone etc.

With a bit of time and an injury free run hopefully Suban will get his confidence back and start to demonstrate that sort of form again.

fwiw i rate pearce as well and think he could be more than just a 'depth' player as some on here suggest.

 

[valkorum]

Does having a player on the veterans list free up a senior spot?

I can understand keeping a part of Pav's pay packet outside of the salary cap but would Grover be earning enough to lose the rookie upgrade?

What happens if Grover was still on the main list, lose a senior spot and gain a rookie?

You can only upgrade a rookie at the start of the season if you have less than 2 listed veterans

2 Veterans - 0 rookie upgrades
1 Veteran - 1 rookie upgrade
0 Veterans - 2 rookie upgrades

The number of listed veterans does not interfere with the potential mid season rookie upgrade (normally round 11ish)

This also doesnt affect upgrading a rookie due to an LTI - this stays the same thoughout the season. LTI = min 8 weeks and must be lodged with the AFL (follow @AFL_PKeane for list lodgements from all clubs)

Presently Freo cannot upgrade a rookie at the start of the season due to Pav and Grover being listed as Veterans. That is why the talk of Michie being injured has us talking about upgrading a rookie (if Michie is placed on the LTI).

 

[Quokka]

But how do veterans affect the senior list numbers, what I'm wondering is if Grover was on the main list and not a veteran we would have an extra rookie upgrade BUT would we have had one less player on the senior list to start with, with maybe an extra rookie?

I'm assuming it works something like that, otherwise would keeping part of Grover's salary (which as an end of career, year by year deal can't be that big) a big enough pay off for losing the rookie upgrade?

 

[Nickos66]

Once you upgrade someone to vets status you can't take them off, that is unless you delist and redraft them (see StKilda player last year). Unfortunately it would be better for us that Groves wasn't on it and they we'd have the option to upgrade a rookie but as we now have 2 vets we've lost that option.

 

[Quokka]

Yeah it just seems strange that Grover was put on the vets list if the money outside the cap was the only benifit, especially considering his pay (Pav obviously makes more sense) and with the talk about us not taking Clark leaving us more salary cap room come the next draft/contract period I assume we're not absolutely maxed.

If Mitchie does go LTI we could've been talking about upgrading Pearce and Neale and still have the mid year upgrade for the next most likely player.

Still all ifs and buts and I know jack about the club finances so who knows. Back on topic great to see Pearce showing form and taking his last chance so seriously.

 

[malpaso]

If Mitchie does go LTI we could've be talking about upgrading Pearce and Neale and still have the mid year upgrade for the next most likely player.

Neale is already on the list, he was a draft pick not a rookie pickup.

 

[Harry Reems]

Our 6 Rookies are;

Mengeola, Sam

Pearce, Clancee

Roberts, Gavin

Schloithe, Haiden

Spurr, Lee

Wilson-King, Jordan

Ross Lyon says that Clancee Pearce is the favorite to be upgraded, however they wanted a bit of time to consider before making a final decision.

 

[Seppo]

Our 6 Rookies are;

Mengeola, Sam
Pearce, Clancee
Roberts, Gavin
Schloithe, Haiden
Spurr, Lee
Wilson-King, Jordan

Ross Lyon says that Clancee Pearce is the favorite to be upgraded, however they wanted a bit of time to consider before making a final decision.

I would rate them in this order to be elevated.
1. Pearce, Clancee
2. Spurr, Lee
3. Roberts, Gavin
4. Schloithe, Haiden
5. Mengeola, Sam
6. Wilson-King, Jordan

 

[theGav56]

I can't see the urgency for elevating him. Given the possible returns of Mundy, Morabitto and Lower, and the form of Neale, I doubt that he would get a game, or at least a game beyond the first round or two. Keep him up the sleeve until he is a certainty to play, and keep the door open for Spurr etc to impress.

 

[BananaOnTheRun]

is there a timeframe for the elevation once someone goes onto the LTI list or can we do it whenever?

 

[Seppo]

I can't see the urgency for elevating him. Given the possible returns of Mundy, Morabitto and Lower, and the form of Neale, I doubt that he would get a game, or at least a game beyond the first round or two. Keep him up the sleeve until he is a certainty to play, and keep the door open for Spurr etc to impress.

Problem is though, Clancee has done everything right this preseason and needs to be rewarded for his hard work and performance on the field in the few games so far.

Lyon has mentioned in a few pressers so far that he is looking for effort from the players and Claaancccee should be at the top of the list so far. You wouldn't want to take it away from someone that deserved it while people like MJ have had only half a preseason on the track and will expect a walk up start.

I don't think the return of Mundy, Mora and Lower will affect the inclusion of Pearce in the 22. He could make for a perfect sub and if the form warrants it, he should stay in the side.

 

[BananaOnTheRun]

clancee say's been playing on the wing and halfback anyway, so the return of the midfielders may not affect him too much. he'd be handy on the bench.

 

[Nothing]

Lyon has mentioned in a few pressers so far that he is looking for effort from the players and Claaancccee should be at the top of the list so far. You wouldn't want to take it away from someone that deserved it while people like MJ have had only half a preseason on the track and will expect a walk up start.

I don't think the return of Mundy, Mora and Lower will affect the inclusion of Pearce in the 22. He could make for a perfect sub and if the form warrants it, he should stay in the side.

I realise that it is popular to bash MJ but I thought he had a full preseason and been in ripping form both in training and the games thus far.

 

[theGav56]

Problem is though, Clancee has done everything right this preseason and needs to be rewarded for his hard work and performance on the field in the few games so far.

Not a reason to upgrade him unless he is best 22. In fact it is a poor reason. If he works hard for the season then his reward is a spot on the main list.

I don't think the return of Mundy, Mora and Lower will affect the inclusion of Pearce in the 22. He could make for a perfect sub and if the form warrants it, he should stay in the side.

Please post the team with Clancy in it for round 1 then. Surely the only criteria for elevation from the Rookie list (after a LTI) is that we need him in the team more than the next best option.

 

[Seppo]

I realise that it is popular to bash MJ but I thought he had a full preseason and been in ripping form both in training and the games thus far.

MJ did little work on the track right up until Christmas.

He is improving and done okay in the nab games, so its not much of a bash just pinning the tail on the scapegoat.

 

[Righteo]

Our 6 Rookies are;

Mengeola, Sam

Pearce, Clancee

Roberts, Gavin

Schloithe, Haiden

Spurr, Lee

Wilson-King, Jordan

Ross Lyon says that Clancee Pearce is the favorite to be upgraded, however they wanted a bit of time to consider before making a final decision.

Really think we've killed the rookie draft again, there's Menegola, Pearce and Spurr who I'd all elevate without a second thought.

From all reports Gav Roberts has shown this pre-season that he may just have what it takes. Schloithe is a very strong, tackling machine from the breeding ground of talent known as South Fremantle and I understand Wilson-King has a bit of poise and skill about him.

 

[Righteo]

clancee say's been playing on the wing and halfback anyway, so the return of the midfielders may not affect him too much. he'd be handy on the bench.

What about as sub? Too crazy? More valuable if he played the full game? Better prospects for the sub? Too many questions asked consecutively?

 

[bruzaar62]

is there a timeframe for the elevation once someone goes onto the LTI list or can we do it whenever?

pretty sure we can upgrade whenever,usually done the week they are going to get selected.