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Maybe it’s because there’s more certainty that Barkley will be a success then either of the QBs available. You know maybe BPA.

You talk about maybe teams wouldn’t draft Elliott or Fournette if had time over, what about Mariota?Winston? 1 & 2 and Gurley went 10. Regrets maybe?

In % terms probably even greater chance of Cousins being better than any of those unproven QBs. Lot of uncertainty on all three’s value.
 
I completely agree with V9x18 and Fart Cummings that it would be lazy to just take Barkley at #1 and say "we will draft whatever QB is left at 4" ... GMs are paid the big bucks to seperate players. There is no way 3 years down the road we will be saying "all three QBs are equally as good as each other"... there will be a standout, its the GMs duty to put his balls on the line and find the standout.
 
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A11dAtP0w3R said:
I completely agree with V9x18 and Fart Cummings that it would be lazy to just take Barkley at #1 and say "we will draft whatever QB is left at 4" ... GMs are paid the big bucks to seperate players. There is no way 3 years down the road we will be saying "all three QBs are equally as good as each other"... there will be a standout, its the GMs duty to put his balls on the line and find the standout.
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Get Cousins and don’t worry about it. What about Kizer? Give him a chance with Haley
 
TheGreatBarryB said:
Get Cousins and don’t worry about it. What about Kizer? Give him a chance with Haley
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Thats the kind of lazy bs i was talking about :p

If you're keen on someone and think they can be the guy, take him at #1, forget about outside noise.

Cousins will cost you a bomb, there is absolutely no guarantee he takes you to the promised land.
 
I guess my question about it being a fait accompli about picking a QB1 then why did the Browns try hard to trade for Alex Smith? Why are they in on Cousins?

They have pick 1 and know the QB's available so why were their eyes on a 34 year old Alex Smith ..I think the reason is maybe they dont see the top guys this year possibly as franchise guys?

Its definitely possible the scenario they could have traded for Smith and still taken a QB like Darnold at pick 1 to learn for 1-2 years before starting, but its also possible they want a proven starting QB as there are too many question marks on this years crop, perhaps too much for 1 to be selected at 1 overall?

Back in 2012 I dont recall the Colts through free agency looking for starting QBs (happy to be corrected if my memory is way off) There was a clear franchise QB and possible generational talent available at pick 1 and they took him.

I think there is an elite talent available at RB this year..I know scouts can hyperbolise, but to hear comparisons to Barry Sanders lends you to think he isnt just the typical Good prospect in a strong class.

His skillset is amazing his cuts are sharp and explosive, his north south speed for a 230 pound guys is electric

The touchdown he scored vs washington in his bowl game, his straight line speed was unbelievable, how the defensive back didnt get near him to close is amazing. The fact that he gets scouted by same as higher than Zeke..to me is telling.

Also, no chance he is there at 4, The only way the colts trade down from 3 is if he is gone by then.
 
We need a veteran QB as much as we need to draft a franchise QB. Pretty simple really.

Alex Smith is known to the front office, and would have been a perfect bridge for the rookie. Kirk Cousins? I think we'll do our due diligence and kick the tyres, but won't sign him. We'll be used for leverage though.

Sign a veteran. Draft whichever QB you like the most at #1. Don't sit back and be a passenger. We've done that before.
 
If im wrong and and the scenario plays out that the browns who take a qb at 1 then have a choice between barkley and minkah at 4 id be stunned..

Not the part about a qb at 1 thats ibviously plausible..but id be stunnee if barkley is available at 4
 
The RB class is deep.
The QB class is strong at the top of the first.
Obvious decision.
Not to mention...QBs are the most important position.
A vet QB doesn't have to be Cousins. Cousins ain't "all that". He's still young enough to want to be the starter for another 5+ years. Not a good choice to use him as a "bridge" QB...same thing happened at Washington with him, them not committing to him.

I'd draft Rosen or Allen or Darnold or Mayfield at #1 --- whomever the GM/HC likes the best. And at #4 take the BPA (regardless of position). You can either take a RB there, or perhaps better a defensive player and wait for the 2nd-3rd round for a very good RB.

I'd hold onto Kizer because Jackson sucked as HC/QB-Coach/OC. The Browns brought in a specialist QB Coach and Haley as OC, so taking the process of development away from Jackson onto far more reputable people.

Kizer can develop as well as Goff under new coaches, just like Kizer struggled like Goff struggled under s**t coaching from Fisher/Jackson.

I dunno exactly who the vet FA QBs there are in 2018, but I'd sign one of them who's like 34+ years old and literally going to hold the starting job for a year tops, and better, 6 weeks tops while Darnold/etc overtakes him in practice. Someone of that ilk would be a great help in Film Room to Darnold/etc and Kizer for that year.
 
Worst case scenario if you take a QB at #1 is one of Barkley, Fitzpatrick or Chubb will be there are #4. Id happily settle for that.

Not much talk about him in this thread, but pairing Chubb with Garrett, my gawd, imagine them together in 3 years time.

Agree they need to find a veteran QB somewhere, Smith would have been nice, Tyrod could work for a season though. Bradford, even Bortles who could be available.

Someone you can move on from easily without breaking the bank for a season or two is all you need.
 

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GG.exe said:
The RB class is deep.
The QB class is strong at the top of the first.
Obvious decision.
Not to mention...QBs are the most important position.
A vet QB doesn't have to be Cousins. Cousins ain't "all that". He's still young enough to want to be the starter for another 5+ years. Not a good choice to use him as a "bridge" QB...same thing happened at Washington with him, them not committing to him.

I'd draft Rosen or Allen or Darnold or Mayfield at #1 --- whomever the GM/HC likes the best. And at #4 take the BPA (regardless of position). You can either take a RB there, or perhaps better a defensive player and wait for the 2nd-3rd round for a very good RB.

I'd hold onto Kizer because Jackson sucked as HC/QB-Coach/OC. The Browns brought in a specialist QB Coach and Haley as OC, so taking the process of development away from Jackson onto far more reputable people.

Kizer can develop as well as Goff under new coaches, just like Kizer struggled like Goff struggled under s**t coaching from Fisher/Jackson.

I dunno exactly who the vet FA QBs there are in 2018, but I'd sign one of them who's like 34+ years old and literally going to hold the starting job for a year tops, and better, 6 weeks tops while Darnold/etc overtakes him in practice. Someone of that ilk would be a great help in Film Room to Darnold/etc and Kizer for that year.
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Whomever the GM/HC likes best??!! They have to ask is that player worthy of a No 1 pick, not who’s there best of an ordinary lot.

Like Catters said, if they’re so sold on one of them why go after Smith?
 
TheGreatBarryB said:
Whomever the GM/HC likes best??!! They have to ask is that player worthy of a No 1 pick, not who’s there best of an ordinary lot.

Like Catters said, if they’re so sold on one of them why go after Smith?
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Come on Baz, why did the Chiefs start Smith after trading up for Mahomes last year? You can think someone is the guy, doesn't mean you think they are ready from day one though.

The Eagles were going to do the same with Bradford and Wentz if you remember til Sam had a hissy fit and demanded a trade after Phili drafted him. That was the only reason Wentz started in year one.
 
TheGreatBarryB said:
Whomever the GM/HC likes best??!! They have to ask is that player worthy of a No 1 pick, not who’s there best of an ordinary lot.

Like Catters said, if they’re so sold on one of them why go after Smith?
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If they genuinely went after Smith, the plan would've been Smith is the franchise QB for 2-4 years, and Kizer learns under him until he's ready (or not) to become a star. If not, they'd draft a QB in a future year.
I think Dorsey/etc want to WIN NOW. They want something like 6+ wins for the city of Cleveland. Not have them suffer another year of possibly 2-4 wins while the rookie #1 QB learns.
That would be why they went after Smith.
Therefore they could still follow that plan with Cousins, not draft a QB #1 or #4 at all. Maybe go Chubb and Barkley instead.
That's a solid plan.
 
A11dAtP0w3R said:
Come on Baz, why did the Chiefs start Smith after trading up for Mahomes last year? You can think someone is the guy, doesn't mean you think they are ready from day one though.

The Eagles were going to do the same with Bradford and Wentz if you remember til Sam had a hissy fit and demanded a trade after Phili drafted him. That was the only reason Wentz started in year one.
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What? Chiefs probably knew it would be Smith’s last season or two at the most.

So they’re going to have Kizer, sign Smith for a shedload and take a QB at No.1?
 
GG.exe said:
If they genuinely went after Smith, the plan would've been Smith is the franchise QB for 2-4 years, and Kizer learns under him until he's ready (or not) to become a star. If not, they'd draft a QB in a future year.
I think Dorsey/etc want to WIN NOW. They want something like 6+ wins for the city of Cleveland. Not have them suffer another year of possibly 2-4 wins while the rookie #1 QB learns.
That would be why they went after Smith.
Therefore they could still follow that plan with Cousins, not draft a QB #1 or #4 at all. Maybe go Chubb and Barkley instead.
That's a solid plan.
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Yes, Cousins/Vikes QB and take two of the best four non-QB players in the draft. Oh yes baby!!
 
TheGreatBarryB said:
What? Chiefs probably knew it would be Smith’s last season or two at the most.

So they’re going to have Kizer, sign Smith for a shedload and take a QB at No.1?
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Obviously you would move on from Kizer if you drafted a QB at #1, wouldn't you think?
 
A11dAtP0w3R said:
Obviously you would move on from Kizer if you drafted a QB at #1, wouldn't you think?
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He’s a second rounder. He made mistakes but he showed some nice touch/arm at times. Reckon they’ll keep him as a backup. Learn from Haley and vet QB.

If they go QB at #1 then he’d still be a backup along with a cheaper vet you’d think.
 
We wanted Smith to be a bridge QB. He would serve multiple purposes, first of all he would help us win games immediately. Secondly was one of the few available veterans that could conceivably hold off a rookie for the entire year, allowing him to develop his mechanics and learn a full playbook without worrying about a gamplan week in week out. Finally he would show the rookie what it takes to be a franchise quarterback in the NFL. Smith would have been more an investment in our number 1 pick than anything.

We are reportably interested in Cousins because he is the best free agent quarterback in 10 years, and we've needed a QB for 20. They would get torn apart if they didn't go after him. Ultimately I don't think Cousins is interested in coming to Cleveland and while I'd be happy to have him I'm excited about finally picking a QB with our 1st pick.

Fun fact; we haven't picked a QB with our first available selection in 17 drafts. And people want to take a running back, have a nap and let the rest of the league decide which QB best fits us.
 
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He’s a second rounder. He made mistakes but he showed some nice touch/arm at times. Reckon they’ll keep him as a backup. Learn from Haley and vet QB.

If they go QB at #1 then he’d still be a backup along with a cheaper vet you’d think.
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Different front office, different opinions, i dont think that Dorsey will be tying himself to any of the previous GMs picks regardless of what round they were taken. If he thinks they were a mistake I'm pretty sure he will move on from them quickly.
 
I wonder if kizer stayed in school this year would he have had the natural progression and improvement to possibly be graded equally to any of the qbs in this draft. I think he would have as he declared too early

If thats the case and you have a young qb on equal talent level as this years group..maybe he needs to be assesed as an option again.
 
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V9x18 said:
We wanted Smith to be a bridge QB. He would serve multiple purposes, first of all he would help us win games immediately. Secondly was one of the few available veterans that could conceivably hold off a rookie for the entire year, allowing him to develop his mechanics and learn a full playbook without worrying about a gamplan week in week out. Finally he would show the rookie what it takes to be a franchise quarterback in the NFL. Smith would have been more an investment in our number 1 pick

We are reportably interested in Cousins because he is the best free agent quarterback in 10 years, and we've needed a QB for 20. They would get torn apart if they didn't go after him. Ultimately I don't think Cousins is interested in coming to Cleveland and while I'd be happy to have him I'm excited about finally picking a QB with our 1st pick.

Fun fact; we haven't picked a QB with our first available selection in 17 drafts. And people want to take a running back, have a nap and let the rest of the league decide which QB best fits us.
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The part you say about cousins confuses me...just becuase hes one of the best fa's in recent years why do you need to bother looking at him? Like you keep saying you have pick 1. You apparantly have the franchise qb in your sights. No one can take that from you. Why are you bothering looking at cousins ? Why would you get torn apart for not looking at it....isnt your big time franchise qb waiting for you in april?

Maybe Is it because the top qbs this year perhaps arent clear cut franchise qbs? Maybe this year doesnt have a number 1 qb worthy of the spot. If their was a clear franchise qb this year...why isnt even close to consensus by now? Why are 4! Qbs still being floated as pick 1?

Like im saying, if its andrew luck or cam newton there then its an obvious choice.

THE talent is GOOD this year ...but i think its a step below the franchise qbs we keep hearing about.

If the pick is qb at 1 then thats fine good luck to Cleveland i hope hes a success. My personal view is there is a generational player available at running back. Id take him.
 
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