Clubbies/Thirds - Disaster?

[CARLTON2011]

So in a nutshell the Old Carey Clubbies are front-runners who have squibbed the contest (Premier Thirds) all year. Hollow flag it will be.

Kid =thats a ridiculous comment. The vast majority of Old Carey Clubbies are the wrong side of 30, that is the age group l would have thought the Clubbies was meant for. The reason for Premier thirds is a mystery to me but what is the point of having them if there are forfeits and anhilations every week. Clubbies l believe is for guys who are past their best or can't train due to work or studies. Thirds l gather is for Clubs that have big excess in numbers which is certainly not the case at Old Carey. Making thirds compulsory in Carey's case will not mean new recruits coming to the Club, it will just be guys who are past it or well into their 30's presently playing Clubbies being forced into thirds and losing interest, there will be forfeits and Clubbies could possibly fold.........what is the point of that???

Keep the Clubbies, disband the Thirds in 2012.

 

[vafaeye]

Kid =thats a ridiculous comment. The vast majority of Old Carey Clubbies are the wrong side of 30, that is the age group l would have thought the Clubbies was meant for. The reason for Premier thirds is a mystery to me but what is the point of having them if there are forfeits and anhilations every week. Clubbies l believe is for guys who are past their best or can't train due to work or studies. Thirds l gather is for Clubs that have big excess in numbers which is certainly not the case at Old Carey. Making thirds compulsory in Carey's case will not mean new recruits coming to the Club, it will just be guys who are past it or well into their 30's presently playing Clubbies being forced into thirds and losing interest, there will be forfeits and Clubbies could possibly fold.........what is the point of that???

Keep the Clubbies, disband the Thirds in 2012.

Old Carey has had 61 players represent thier clubbies so far. Wonder why they didn't enter premier clubbies with such numbers at their disposal. It is well know "Carlton" that Old Carey put a submission to the board based on their special case which was a load of crap!

THE EYE
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[CARLTON2011]

Old Carey has had 61 players represent thier clubbies so far. Wonder why they didn't enter premier clubbies with such numbers at their disposal. It is well know "Carlton" that Old Carey put a submission to the board based on their special case which was a load of crap!

THE EYE

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With Clubbies l doubt clubs know numbers at beginning of season, most players don't seem to train and turn up as season begins. Not defending anyone but that has always been my experience in Clubbies, a bit of hit and miss.

 

[Keano15]

Keep the Clubbies, disband the Thirds in 2012.

Without Thirds Caulfield would most likely lose some talented and kids of great character to other clubs as they don't want to play Club XVIII. We are not the biggest club in the VAFA by any stretch, but it seems to me to be a great way to keep players in a great competition. If you are not growing and providing more opportunities you are going backwards.

Seems to me a lot of complaints are coming from clubs going in the wrong direction!

 

[hummer21]

Kid =thats a ridiculous comment. The vast majority of Old Carey Clubbies are the wrong side of 30, that is the age group l would have thought the Clubbies was meant for. The reason for Premier thirds is a mystery to me but what is the point of having them if there are forfeits and anhilations every week. Clubbies l believe is for guys who are past their best or can't train due to work or studies. Thirds l gather is for Clubs that have big excess in numbers which is certainly not the case at Old Carey. Making thirds compulsory in Carey's case will not mean new recruits coming to the Club, it will just be guys who are past it or well into their 30's presently playing Clubbies being forced into thirds and losing interest, there will be forfeits and Clubbies could possibly fold.........what is the point of that???

Keep the Clubbies, disband the Thirds in 2012.

You've got to be kidding? You're either delusional or very, very simple lacking the ability to count.

No more then 5 players in that Carey side are over 30. Yesterday they had players that played in last years premiership side.

The Thirds competition needs to be kept to accommodate sides with excess numbers however shouldn't be made compulsory to Premier A and B sides. Open it to all clubs and let them decide if they want to register a side. Clubbies should be continued as an avenue for players who don't want to play senior football.

 

[Rooster 24]

Kid =thats a ridiculous comment. The vast majority of Old Carey Clubbies are the wrong side of 30, that is the age group l would have thought the Clubbies was meant for. The reason for Premier thirds is a mystery to me but what is the point of having them if there are forfeits and anhilations every week. Clubbies l believe is for guys who are past their best or can't train due to work or studies. Thirds l gather is for Clubs that have big excess in numbers which is certainly not the case at Old Carey. Making thirds compulsory in Carey's case will not mean new recruits coming to the Club, it will just be guys who are past it or well into their 30's presently playing Clubbies being forced into thirds and losing interest, there will be forfeits and Clubbies could possibly fold.........what is the point of that???

Keep the Clubbies, disband the Thirds in 2012.

And therein lies to the problem Carlton – Your take on the 3rd comp may be very valid but is irrelevant to this argument. Appears OC was given the choice whereas the rest of us were not. Post 2009 the edict from Sholly was that 3rds was compulsory for Premier clubs. So like it or not we had no option but to take on the additional burden and cost of extra trainers coaches, officials, venues etc. Clearly the number of players available and the results suggest that the OC clubbies are far superior to their present grading. Clubbies north division? please……At least if you won’t enter a team in Premier thirds have a crack at the top clubbies divisions. You are an ‘A’ grade club after all.

I agree there is a place for clubbies. Our club has been a supporter of the concept since inception but now that we have gone through the initial hassle of getting a 3rds up and running we are pretty happy with how it is going. It’s a good standard comp that had improved significantly this season and is better option to many (not all) than clubbies.

They way I understand it the OC submission not to enter a thirds side was based on a lack of playing stocks. 61 players used, undefeated and a % in excess of 300. Sorry I’m with Kid Dynamite on this one

 

[ARod]

Quality post Rooster.

 

[Penski]

And therein lies to the problem Carlton – Your take on the 3rd comp may be very valid but is irrelevant to this argument. Appears OC was given the choice whereas the rest of us were not. Post 2009 the edict from Sholly was that 3rds was compulsory for Premier clubs. So like it or not we had no option but to take on the additional burden and cost of extra trainers coaches, officials, venues etc. Clearly the number of players available and the results suggest that the OC clubbies are far superior to their present grading. Clubbies north division? please……At least if you won’t enter a team in Premier thirds have a crack at the top clubbies divisions. You are an ‘A’ grade club after all.

I agree there is a place for clubbies. Our club has been a supporter of the concept since inception but now that we have gone through the initial hassle of getting a 3rds up and running we are pretty happy with how it is going. It’s a good standard comp that had improved significantly this season and is better option to many (not all) than clubbies.

They way I understand it the OC submission not to enter a thirds side was based on a lack of playing stocks. 61 players used, undefeated and a % in excess of 300. Sorry I’m with Kid Dynamite on this one

Couldn't agree more. Look at clubs like Collegians that had to get rid of their clubbies to get a thirds side together. They (and others) did not have a choice about whether they could field a thirds or not.

 

[Privateye]

Couldn't agree more. Look at clubs like Collegians that had to get rid of their clubbies to get a thirds side together. They (and others) did not have a choice about whether they could field a thirds or not.

With thinking like Carlton2011's is it any wonder it took Old Carey 50 years to reach A Grade.

 

[Uncle Mick]

61 players doesn't constitute a wealth of numbers. As coach of our Clubbies, I've constantly been on the phone Thursday nights & Fridays gathering numbers and as a result have turned over 73 players in 9 games. By no means is this a wealth of numbers so much as it has been hassling players to field a team each week. We've had 1 player play every game. So whilst there may be merit in the argument OC have plenty of numbers it doesn't necessarily mean they were aware these players would be available week in, week out.

 

[Rufus Red]

61 players doesn't constitute a wealth of numbers. As coach of our Clubbies, I've constantly been on the phone Thursday nights & Fridays gathering numbers and as a result have turned over 73 players in 9 games. By no means is this a wealth of numbers so much as it has been hassling players to field a team each week. We've had 1 player play every game. So whilst there may be merit in the argument OC have plenty of numbers it doesn't necessarily mean they were aware these players would be available week in, week out.

I agree. I dont want to enter the politics of this discussion. Only the VAFA and the clubs involved know this. I do however remember when i was playing not that long ago,that we had over 80 players play in the twos. I can guarantee you that this did not place us at the top of the ladder! I think our coach even came out of retirement to do his knee on one occasion.

 

[Penski]

61 players doesn't constitute a wealth of numbers. As coach of our Clubbies, I've constantly been on the phone Thursday nights & Fridays gathering numbers and as a result have turned over 73 players in 9 games. By no means is this a wealth of numbers so much as it has been hassling players to field a team each week. We've had 1 player play every game. So whilst there may be merit in the argument OC have plenty of numbers it doesn't necessarily mean they were aware these players would be available week in, week out.

All well and good UM, but this isn't the actual argument.

The point is that while other A-B Grade clubs had to put thirds sides together (and in some cases, had to give up on the clubbies to do it) other clubs have not, and continue to have a clubbies without a thirds team.

 

[Uncle Mick]

I'm not convinced any clubs "had to" put a Thirds team in. As a B Section club we were encouraged to enter a 3rds in Premier B, but continued to refute the move and as a result our decision has been vindicated. We've been beaten by 100+ points on 4 or 5 occasions this year in Club XVIII and I think we even had 60 scoring shots against us last week. I understand the point being made and agree that it does appear as though OC might have taken advantage of the VAFA's leniency, however it's hard to forecast how a season will pan out with respect to having a 3rd side when in some cases you have no idea of your playing stocks until the final couple of weeks leading into Rd.1.

 

[Bugsy Brown]

Well said Penski. This will remain a mystery for the remainder of the 2011 season unless someone from the VAFA can come up with a reasonable explaination for why Carey were exluded from the premier grade.

Seems grossly unfair that there are serveral sides battling it out in Premier thirds division while Carey smash sides every week in North division.

 

[RahRah]

And therein lies to the problem Carlton – Your take on the 3rd comp may be very valid but is irrelevant to this argument. Appears OC was given the choice whereas the rest of us were not. Post 2009 the edict from Sholly was that 3rds was compulsory for Premier clubs. So like it or not we had no option but to take on the additional burden and cost of extra trainers coaches, officials, venues etc. Clearly the number of players available and the results suggest that the OC clubbies are far superior to their present grading. Clubbies north division? please……At least if you won’t enter a team in Premier thirds have a crack at the top clubbies divisions. You are an ‘A’ grade club after all.

I agree there is a place for clubbies. Our club has been a supporter of the concept since inception but now that we have gone through the initial hassle of getting a 3rds up and running we are pretty happy with how it is going. It’s a good standard comp that had improved significantly this season and is better option to many (not all) than clubbies.

They way I understand it the OC submission not to enter a thirds side was based on a lack of playing stocks. 61 players used, undefeated and a % in excess of 300. Sorry I’m with Kid Dynamite on this one

Maybe they are an A Grade side, not an A Grade Club.

 

[Down At Gillon]

Maybe they are an A Grade side, not an A Grade Club.

Nail -> Head !

 

[Rooster 24]

Well said Penski. This will remain a mystery for the remainder of the 2011 season unless someone from the VAFA can come up with a reasonable explaination for why Carey were exluded from the premier grade.

Seems grossly unfair that there are serveral sides battling it out in Premier thirds division while Carey smash sides every week in North division.

Might bite them in the long run. Saw their seniors and ressies on the weekend. Their best 6 players in the seniors are quite exceptional, as good as any in premier division but it falls away after that, Their reserves are abysmal and with a thirds team in clubbies rather than Premier 3rds it would suggest that depth is an issue. Love em or hate em Xavs have stayed at the top due to overall depth, not just a handful of stars. All good at the moment but if they have an injury run like De La this year or Marcellin and OB last year they are in real strife.

 

[Kid Dynamite]

Carey won the flag. What a surprise. Well done, took the soft option and got rewarded.

How many Premier clubs will be lining up next year asking to do the same?

 

[Uncle Mick]

Watched the first half. NOBS weren't without their chances, but geez they must've been blown away in the 2nd half. Carey's fitness obviously the difference. Hopefully the VAFA has learnt something from this.

 

[SLY OF the]

Watched the first half. NOBS weren't without their chances, but geez they must've been blown away in the 2nd half. Carey's fitness obviously the difference. Hopefully the VAFA has learnt something from this.

Carey came out of the blocks. their Top tier players stepped up. could of been alot worse for nobs if carey kicked straight. I will say this again some of Careys players are alot better than 3's, maybe 1 or 2 could play 1's. Bit of a joke with them in North.

 

[Bell Ringer]

Should have at least put their hands up for Section 1 Club XVIII. Might have made finals.