News Coaching Thread: The Hardwick Era

[GcSunsfan]

Any news on weather Francou might still be coming?


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[thurls64]

I reckon a problem that has not been addressed is Ash Prescott and our forward line

To me it's our most dysfunctional area of the teams game and we haven't changed the coach

He should have been the first to go or moved to a player development role

Our guys don't lead in the forward 50, in fact they drop back onto their man rather than try to lose them when the ball is coming into our forward line and we don't seem to understand the art of crumbing around packs and stoppages

Lyons, Holman and Young are the only ones that seems to be able to instinctively pounce on crumbs but they learned that elsewhere

Why did Prescott not get moved on

 

[kreglze]

I reckon wait till we get all the coaches in, they may end up being moved about and shuffled.

Francou was the forward line coach at Adelaide so IF he ends up here with us we may see him take that spot over.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Forward line coaches, how hard can it be

Push off your opponent
Run to space
Mark the ball
Kick a goal
Repeat

If you need more advice I will be in the pub

 

[OB11]

If May and Dew have issues they should be forced by the club to go to a deserted island for a night with a slab and they can sort it like the old days

 

[Iva Bigun]

If May and Dew have issues they should be forced by the club to go to a deserted island for a night with a slab and they can sort it like the old days

Different world these days, maybe they should follow each other on Instagram or get some manscaping together

 

[thurls64]

I reckon wait till we get all the coaches in, they may end up being moved about and shuffled.

Francou was the forward line coach at Adelaide so IF he ends up here with us we may see him take that spot over.

yep sounds logical, good intel

 

[thurls64]

Forward line coaches, how hard can it be

Push off your opponent
Run to space
Mark the ball
Kick a goal
Repeat

If you need more advice I will be in the pub

with me

 

[thurls64]

If May and Dew have issues they should be forced by the club to go to a deserted island for a night with a slab and they can sort it like the old days

Stewie requested party pies as well...…………….AYCE

 

[Supersuns]

Stewie requested party pies as well...…………….AYCE

I reckon Stewie is a KFC man

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

Excerpts from a story about Alistair Clarkson in the media last year.

'When he joined the Hawks at the end of 2004, he inherited a mess, with a playing list notable for its overpaid underachievers. He undertook a serious culling of the list and invested heavily in the draft and, surrounded by a new-look coaching staff with backgrounds in education and football, he set about establishing a culture of excellence with a strong basis in teaching.

When Fagan (a former teacher) came on board as director of coaching at the start of 2008 he found a high-achieving environment was already taking shape. Clarkson, together with Mark Evans (another former teacher) as head of football had done the hard yards with the coaching staff, the just-retired Richie Vandenberg had helped instill some new values among the playing group and the Hawks were on their way. "When I got there the approach was a bit more collaborative, particularly with the coaching of the players, and by 2008 that was the norm," Fagan told the AFL Record.

Excerpts from a story this year about Chris Scott.

Ling retired after the flag but concedes Scott soon ran into difficulties moving on the likes of Jimmy Bartel, James Kelly, Paul Chapman, Stevie Johnson and Mathew Stokes.

Tensions flared when Scott failed to attend exit meetings for Corey Enright and Bartel at the end of 2016.

“It was a clash of Chris Scott and the football club making decisions that they felt were in the best interests of the club - which is their No.1 responsibility - and highly-competitive, highly-successful and highly-driven players believing they could keep going at the level they had for the previous decade,” Ling said.

“When you have a clash of those two very strong forces, I don’t think it’s ever going to be perfect.”

Brad Scott was cut down 2 years ago for offloading too much experience (Boomer Harvey, Petrie, Dal Santo, Ferrite) and the sky was going to fall in. They were preseason favourites to claim the wooden spoon this year yet just missed out on the finals........ They now have Gaff and Polec lining up to play there.


The criticism about him moving on Barlow (who I love as a bloke) should be judged in 12 months not now. There is a also lot of outside noise from those who have been moved on and noise when players don't get picked. Dew is surrounded by those who have been there before in our current situation and they are heavily invested & determined in making the club a success.

I understand we want a quick fix but it's not going to happen until the slab has been poured. Dew has been at a new franchise that won a flag, he has been at Hawthorn when they won a flag, he has been in Sydney when they have been in finals most years.

Just give the bloke a chance. We were a basket case going nowhere anyway. He's not going to get along with everyone and he's determined not to allow the tail to wag the dog any longer.

It's a frustrating gig being a Suns fan and I'm prone to making a fool out of myself on here with a vent or an outburst (apologies again Lord Flasheart ) but patience is required and lets have some trust in the process.

 

[thurls64]

Barlows Interview

https://20943.mc.tritondigital.com/...564/podcast_media/454862-barlow_interview.mp3

 

[SandyToes]

Excerpts from a story about Alistair Clarkson in the media last year.

'When he joined the Hawks at the end of 2004, he inherited a mess, with a playing list notable for its overpaid underachievers. He undertook a serious culling of the list and invested heavily in the draft and, surrounded by a new-look coaching staff with backgrounds in education and football, he set about establishing a culture of excellence with a strong basis in teaching.

When Fagan (a former teacher) came on board as director of coaching at the start of 2008 he found a high-achieving environment was already taking shape. Clarkson, together with Mark Evans (another former teacher) as head of football had done the hard yards with the coaching staff, the just-retired Richie Vandenberg had helped instill some new values among the playing group and the Hawks were on their way. "When I got there the approach was a bit more collaborative, particularly with the coaching of the players, and by 2008 that was the norm," Fagan told the AFL Record.

Excerpts from a story this year about Chris Scott.

Ling retired after the flag but concedes Scott soon ran into difficulties moving on the likes of Jimmy Bartel, James Kelly, Paul Chapman, Stevie Johnson and Mathew Stokes.

Tensions flared when Scott failed to attend exit meetings for Corey Enright and Bartel at the end of 2016.

“It was a clash of Chris Scott and the football club making decisions that they felt were in the best interests of the club - which is their No.1 responsibility - and highly-competitive, highly-successful and highly-driven players believing they could keep going at the level they had for the previous decade,” Ling said.

“When you have a clash of those two very strong forces, I don’t think it’s ever going to be perfect.”

Brad Scott was cut down 2 years ago for offloading too much experience (Boomer Harvey, Petrie, Dal Santo, Ferrite) and the sky was going to fall in. They were preseason favourites to claim the wooden spoon this year yet just missed out on the finals........ They now have Gaff and Polec lining up to play there.


The criticism about him moving on Barlow (who I love as a bloke) should be judged in 12 months not now. There is a also lot of outside noise from those who have been moved on and noise when players don't get picked. Dew is surrounded by those who have been there before in our current situation and they are heavily invested & determined in making the club a success.

I understand we want a quick fix but it's not going to happen until the slab has been poured. Dew has been at a new franchise that won a flag, he has been at Hawthorn when they won a flag, he has been in Sydney when they have been in finals most years.

Just give the bloke a chance. We were a basket case going nowhere anyway. He's not going to get along with everyone and he's determined not to allow the tail to wag the dog any longer.

It's a frustrating gig being a Suns fan and I'm prone to making a fool out of myself on here with a vent or an outburst (apologies again Lord Flasheart ) but patience is required and lets have some trust in the process.

This is a great post
Brought together background for the coaches we think do good jobs
I agree -it's Dewy's first year
He is the coach and can make the decisions he wants
The Coch and Evans are backing him to the hilt
Just hope he has some experience around him - someone to bounce ideas off and get some no holds barred feedback

 

[toxic]

Forward line coaches, how hard can it be

Push off your opponent
Run to space
Mark the ball
Kick a goal
Repeat

If you need more advice I will be in the pub

Some defence may be required (occasionally)

 

[Big Red Machine]

Barlows Interview

https://20943.mc.tritondigital.com/...564/podcast_media/454862-barlow_interview.mp3

Cliff notes?

 

[Iva Bigun]

Some defence may be required (occasionally)

True I will right a supplementary note on a coaster

 

[Basssman]

Any news on what’s happening with Francou?


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[Iva Bigun]

Any news on what’s happening with Francou?


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The Crows will release him if we swap pick 2 for Gov according to some on the Crows board

 

[NOBBYS]

The Crows will release him if we swap pick 2 for Gov according to some on the Crows board

Tell them "THEIR DREAMING"

 

[toxic]

The Crows will release him if we swap pick 2 for Gov according to some on the Crows board

Gov not worth pick 2

 

[SnusCG]

Gov not worth pick 2

Gov is not worth a top 10

 

[17er]

Gov is not worth a top 10

Is he worth our WC pick or a 2nd rounder?

 

[gcsunsfc]

Is he worth our WC pick or a 2nd rounder?

17 is definitely appropriate value. I’d even go a bit further and give 17 + a 41 if that interested them and he wanted to come.

 

[SandyToes]

17 is definitely appropriate value. I’d even go a bit further and give 17 + a 41 if that interested them and he wanted to come.

Sounds eerily similar to the musings re Weller round this time last year

 

[gcsunsfc]

Sounds eerily similar to the musings re Weller round this time last year

Hmm you’re right.

Can understand gc reluctantly overpaying for Weller though

Cannot if they do the same for McGovern