Colbert

[roobear]

Daphne,
congrats on 1004 posts!

roobear

 

[Michele]

Originally posted by Pinky


I have to agree

I have been known as the biggest Leigh fan out there, and have argued over the fact that he will come good with Carlos but he has had it. Keenan Reynolds suddenly looked so good.

Take a look at Scott Welsh, we lost him for Colbert.... Welsh does more in one game than what Colbert has in 2 seasons

I haven't read the remaining post yet..........but, if you wish to put forward an argument make sure your facts are correct.

North did not want to lose Scott Welsh....it was Welsh's decision to go home, (ala perhaps Nick Davis) particularly after the untimely death of his brother.

In other words, Scott Welsh was going home, regardless of Colby.

 

[Michele]

Originally posted by choppy


This playing favourites with senior players i.e bring back Blakey, Martyn and Colbert when they are clearly underdone has to stop.

We are not playing for tiddly winks. The future of the club is at the financial cross roads. Paying players, whatever he is on, and getting no onfield performance from them is no longer acceptable.

Choppy

IF the club is at the "financial cross roads", it is NOT the fault of the players.

People who BARRACK for North are the one placing North under pressure.

I anyone knows a North BARRACKER try and get that person to commit a little of there hard earned cash - for at least a 'support membership' thing.

 

[Michele]

Originally posted by roobear
Daphne,
congrats on 1004 posts!

roobear

Congarts to Daphne *stands and applauds*

 

[mighty mick]

colbert was one of the only players i have ever seen booed by both his old club supporters and his supporters of his new team
when he first played against geelong.

to me he has not proved a worthy pickup, and north has paid the price for picking up an unloyal captain as he was.

i admit im no fan but back to the magoos if he wants match fitness

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by mighty mick
colbert was one of the only players i have ever seen booed by both his old club supporters and his supporters of his new team
when he first played against geelong.

I dunno what game you were at when Colbert made his first appearance for the Roos against Geelong, but there was nothing but support by the Roos fans for him that night (and plenty of baiting of the Cat fans). He kicked 2 goals that night as well.

 

[NeoBlaze]

i am a fan, and i think he's a terrific example to all around him, no one would leave a side that named them captain unless for good reason, and leigh is a very astute and honest man and i trust his judgement....as for him playing....i think he should gracefully retire because more and more evidence is piling up to suggest his best footy is behind him and that his body just can't hold together any more

 

[myee8]

I admit i have always stuck up for Colbert and still do, but even i have to realise that if he cannot perform, questions have to be asked. I shall give him till the end of the season to see what he does. Fingers crossed, i hope he stays mostly injury free and can string together some games with decent time in the middle. I am not asking him to set the world alight, i just want him to play enough games in which he will show that he can still contribute to 2003 and beyond. He has played some good games for this club, and i hope to see more of it. Like NeoBlaze said, Colbert courage, attitute and personality cannot be disagreed with, so IF he does come good this season he can be of great use to the Kangas. Not sure abouts everyone else, but i read and heard over here in WA that he was a candidate for the captaincy following Carey's departure because of his 'clean' image.

 

[Dingster]

Originally posted by myee8
I admit i have always stuck up for Colbert and still do, but even i have to realise that if he cannot perform, questions have to be asked. I shall give him till the end of the season to see what he does. Fingers crossed, i hope he stays mostly injury free and can string together some games with decent time in the middle. I am not asking him to set the world alight, i just want him to play enough games in which he will show that he can still contribute to 2003 and beyond.

Fair comment. Give him to the end of the year. Not round 3.

 

[Daphne]

Originally posted by mighty mick
colbert was one of the only players i have ever seen booed by both his old club supporters and his supporters of his new team
when he first played against geelong.

to me he has not proved a worthy pickup, and north has paid the price for picking up an unloyal captain as he was.

i admit im no fan but back to the magoos if he wants match fitness

What absolute crap. You need to come sit with the real supporters. I have never heard anyone boo any of our players, and if I did they would know who they were sitting next to. The game that you are talking about , everyone near us stood and showed their support for Colbert it was amazing. How can you call him an unloyal captain when you dont know exactly what went on, loyalty has to come from both parties and from all accounts this did not happen. And another thing if he was such an unloyal captain, how come when one of the Geelong players did his knee in a practice game the year that Colby left, Colby was the first person he called and he (Leigh) went straight to the rooms where the guy was (even before the game was over) to support him. And how is it that he still plays golf with some of his loyal ex team mates once a week.
And one more thing while I am at it. I have been at this club for years and years, and of all the times that I have ever been to the club or the functions and passed a player Leigh Colbert is the only one that has ever waved, smiled or spoken to me without me being the one to speak first. If all our up and coming players learn anything from Leigh Colbert anything I will be happy. There is more to a club than being a great player, you have to have certain types of players to make a great club and I believe that Colby came to us for other reasons as well. At the B&F last year when the winner of best clubman came up and I cant remember who that was (Makepeace?) I remember him saying that they all thought that Leigh would win it.

 

[roobear]

Originally posted by Daphne


What absolute crap. You need to come sit with the real supporters. I have never heard anyone boo any of our players, and if I did they would know who they were sitting next to. The game that you are talking about , everyone near us stood and showed their support for Colbert it was amazing. How can you call him an unloyal captain when you dont know exactly what went on, loyalty has to come from both parties and from all accounts this did not happen. And another thing if he was such an unloyal captain, how come when one of the Geelong players did his knee in a practice game the year that Colby left, Colby was the first person he called and he (Leigh) went straight to the rooms where the guy was (even before the game was over) to support him. And how is it that he still plays golf with some of his loyal ex team mates once a week.
And one more thing while I am at it. I have been at this club for years and years, and of all the times that I have ever been to the club or the functions and passed a player Leigh Colbert is the only one that has ever waved, smiled or spoken to me without me being the one to speak first. If all our up and coming players learn anything from Leigh Colbert anything I will be happy. There is more to a club than being a great player, you have to have certain types of players to make a great club and I believe that Colby came to us for other reasons as well. At the B&F last year when the winner of best clubman came up and I cant remember who that was (Makepeace?) I remember him saying that they all thought that Leigh would win it.

Extremely well said Daphne. And was Stevo best clubman?

 

[Darky]

Originally posted by Dingster


Fair comment. Give him to the end of the year. Not round 3.

Agree Dingster, and well said myee8.

But I don't think it's unfair at this stage of the season to ask that Colbert sepnd some time in the twos to get some touch back. While doing it in the seniors, he's taking the place of blokes who have had 100 minutes of footy for each of the last 3-4 weeks and are ready to perform NOW, not in 3 weeks time.

 

[Carlos]

The thing that makes my guts churn is the general concensus is that most people would be happy to see him simply string some games together and be servicable. Comments like "...dont expect him to set the world on fire..." and "...he kicked 2 goals in that game..." and "...stopped Kouta.." and "...great bloke with integrity etc etc.." make me sick considering the hammering blokes like Clayton, Cochrane and to a lesser extent Makepeace get. Yet we lose sight of the fact we gave up so much to get Colbert, yet gave up bugger all to get these blokes. Yet as soon as we lose a game, who are usually the first blokes to cop the blaim? Yes we were always going to lose Welsh, but surely we could have used that situation to better advantage and got a quality player who would contribute more than being a friggin top bloke around the club!! And as much as people disagree with me regarding Cameron Mooney, right now, and on the basis of the last 2 years, i would rather have had him on our list developing into the key backman we are lacking rather than "top bloke" Colbert in and out of the team and not contributing on the field the way a player who we gave so much for should. For that matter, any one of Spriggs, Enright, or Giansirracussa (amongst the players picked with the draft picks we gave up for Colbert) would be of more value.

I know i'm going to get caned, and let no one doubt that i agree that Leigh is a top quality person. I've seen him at club functions and yeah, he is a perfect role model for the young blokes as far as how to conduct oneself. But i just cant come to terms with the fact that we gave up so much yet are getting so little in return, yet people are happy with him contributing the stuff all he has, and then in the next breath cane Clayton or Cochrane who on average, contribute more game per game than Colbert.

 

[roobear]

Originally posted by Carlos
Yes we were always going to lose Welsh, but surely we could have used that situation to better advantage and got a quality player who would contribute more than being a friggin top bloke around the club!!

Carlos

fair enough you are frustrated with his output, but did you know at the time that he would struggle for fitness and form on his return? A lot of good players have come back from knee recos just as good as before.

I was rapt when we got Colbert. There is obviously disappointment in how circumstances have panned out, but we all have 20/20 hindsight, don't we?

As for the rest of your post, I definitely understand where you're coming from and I don't think you should be caned for it.

I really hope he improves over the remainder of the season, but only time will tell.

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Carlos
any one of Spriggs, Enright, or Giansirracussa (amongst the players picked with the draft picks we gave up for Colbert) would be of more value.

It's probably a bit hard for Spriggs to be of any value since he's recovering from a knee reconstruction, but your point is taken. However, we made the trade (and it wasn't as if we were the only club after Colbert) and we cop the consequences of that decision. There are no warranties or returns on trades that don't work out.

 

[Carlos]

Originally posted by roobear


Carlos

fair enough you are frustrated with his output, but did you know at the time that he would struggle for fitness and form on his return? A lot of good players have come back from knee recos just as good as before.

I was rapt when we got Colbert. There is obviously disappointment in how circumstances have panned out, but we all have 20/20 hindsight, don't we?

Taking a big risk here, but i honestly never thought he was much of a player to begin with. For his height, i never thought he was the best of over head marks or very strong, i thought he was very slow and i always remember him being second to the ball behind his opponent, and never thought he had the best of skills. His kicks lack penetration and his handballs arent always all that intelligent or to the teams advantage. One thing i cant doubt is his courage and hardness at the contest when he does make it to one. He backs into packs without fear and goes in and under like a rover. But at the same time, i thought i lost his feet too often and due to slowness of hands, never really was able to give a quality feed out of packs.

I am happy to be proven wrong as far as what his strengths and weaknesses are by people telling me specific games he dominated in for Geelong, but i cant remember many.

 

[Melly017]

We are way up on Trades

Players who have played in another clubs premiership side


Pike "Lion's"
Stevens "Crows"

Name any others?
Then name our pick up's from other clubs

How many are there? 8? 10?

 

[Carlos]

I agree (accept for the last few years - Calthorp?? Olerenshaw??) but fail to see how that applies in this case? Most of our trades have been bargains. Colbert certainly wasnt that.

 

[Melly017]

Colbert could play for another five years. A great deal of people want to get rid of him after a few bad games.
Lets make of list of those players that have come good after a few bad games. Jason Mc being the last stand-out.

I think alot of people are doing the Brownie.
Running in holding up the ball at 1/2 time, LONG way to go.
Could be alot egg on faces in a few weeks.
Even on mine if he does nothing, but as Denis would say
"Geeee got a few on his back"

 

[Sledgehammer]

Fancy spending 1.5 million a year on two players who are giving the club F*** all!!

Carey 1Million
Colbert .5 million

those two wages could eliminate most of Norths Debts

 

[Briedis]

Originally posted by Sledgehammer
Fancy spending 1.5 million a year on two players who are giving the club F*** all!!

Carey 1Million
Colbert .5 million

those two wages could eliminate most of Norths Debts

Not really.

With the Salary Cap rule, we have to spend at least 95% of the salary cap on player payments, so that money would be paid to someone anyway.

Anyone know what the latest with Carey's payout is? I doubt that we will have to pay him the $1 Million this year....

 

[roobear]

Originally posted by Sledgehammer
Fancy spending 1.5 million a year on two players who are giving the club F*** all!!

Carey 1Million
Colbert .5 million

those two wages could eliminate most of Norths Debts

what's dumber? that post? or me replying to it?

Anyway...
-> both were given contracts reflecting their market value AT THE TIME
-> there is no "no rooting the vc's missus" clause in most contracts
-> we have to spend the money on wages anyway

 

[Carlos]

Originally posted by roobear

what's dumber? that post? or me replying to it?

Anyway...
-> both were given contracts reflecting their market value AT THE TIME
-> there is no "no rooting the vc's missus" clause in most contracts
-> we have to spend the money on wages anyway

Whats dumber is me spending most of my day on Bigfooty when i've got work to do!!

But anyway, I'm still waiting for someone to illustrate to me why Colbert's market value was so high at the time. And i'm really hoping that when it comes time to renogotiate a contract for Choppy at the end of next year or Shannon Grant, that we are not hamstrung by paying underperforming players exhorbidant contracts.

 

[roowatch]

Reasonably simple Carlos.

MOST Clubs thought he would be of value. Some couldn't afford him thus didn't get involved.
Facts:
-He was captain of his Club - had demonstrated leadership
-He was/is young enough to play for many years
-had versatility abounding -forward/back/midfield

Yes, he wasn't a dominannt player, but at the time he was going to be third or fourth fiddle behind Carey, McKernan, and add some flexibiity to our tough but small midfield.

The risk was him recovering from knee reconstruction. In the perfect view of hindsight he has never been completely able to shake off the after effects of this injury.

I still don't believe it makes it a bad trade. I was happy to see a quality player added to our list.


As for sledgehammer, please stay away from the negotiating able when the Club is contracting players.

 

[Carlos]

Originally posted by roowatch
Reasonably simple Carlos.

MOST Clubs thought he would be of value. Some couldn't afford him thus didn't get involved.
Facts:
-He was captain of his Club - had demonstrated leadership
-He was/is young enough to play for many years
-had versatility abounding -forward/back/midfield

Yes, he wasn't a dominannt player, but at the time he was going to be third or fourth fiddle behind Carey, McKernan, and add some flexibiity to our tough but small midfield.

I understand and it does appear simple. My point is that to give up so much, i would have expected us to get a gun player, not a 3rd or 4th string anything. I am aware he was captain, but does that mean Shaun McManus would have been an outstanding trade last year? I believe we were somewhat blinded by the "facts" you presented, which all are valid to some extent and hence we got rolled when negotiating the trade.

As far as "versatility abounding" goes, i stand by my point that that he is a touch over-rated if that is the perception. He played more as a wingman than a bonafide midfielder for Geelong and was very loose with his opponent often running unchecked by virtue of superior pace to Leigh. As a backman, while being courageous and hard at the contest, opposition teams would often play through his man due to the fact he was very easily lead to the ball. As a forward, his inability to take overhead marks with any consistency or get best position due to lack of pace and play reading ability often meant an easy rebound. Add to this a lack of penetration with his kicks or an ability to quickly get boot to ball, meant his output as a goal kicker was low.

No quastion the guy is of outstanding character and a good leader as far as the young blokes go. But i still dont think he was or is anything special as a footballer.