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leighlee13 said:
Sorry I am having computer issues and can't copy an paste the article and it didn't look like it was behind the paywall. It isn't about us locating. He is actually talking about how an idea to help the club. giantroo Can you assist please?
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No need to apologies leighlee….appreciate the post and your response…gokangas has posted….thanks for bringing it to our attention 🍺👏
 

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Roostorm said:
What an insignificant sooky sooky Lala thinned skinned hack of a journalist…dishes it out but can’t take any criticism aimed at him….deal with it damo or get outta the kitchen….
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Literally asked him a question once on twitter about his takes on north and he blocked me.
 
Horizons_00 said:
Put Dal Santo in there too

I reckon we train and work at the gym with the most pathetic intensity. It shows too.
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So why hasn't this been addressed? How many times does it need to be said in the media and other areas before someone at NM fuggin wakes up?
 
On the Eddie & Jimmy pod this week, Bartel said there's no point getting AFL assistance, first round picks, compo, etc, if we don't make changes in the footy department and move on those who put the club in this parlous state. He basically said Rawlings has to go without naming him.
 
Possession said:
The training thing is one of the most hopeless things about the club. I fully believe it. It's become a key part of our cultural rot.
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You can see it in our warm ups prior to games. I often lament how switched on opposition teams look in their war,s ups compared to ours. There is no way known our training standards are the same level as most other clubs.
Our footage from training always looks cruisey AF
 
Gasometer said:
Mick McGuane

Calls out LDU

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Love this. I naively thought, and posted, that the club were managing him over preseason and telling him not to go too hard, to save himself for the season proper.

Having seen his form to date I’d long since realised that he was cruising in preseason and never got out of second gear and is now paying the price for that. I’m glad that people like McGuane are pointing this out it’s about time the blowtorch is applied to our underperforming stars.
 
My Left Foote said:
Love this. I naively thought, and posted, that the club were managing him over preseason and telling him not to go too hard, to save himself for the season proper.

Having seen his form to date I’d long since realised that he was cruising and never got out of second gear. I’m glad that people like McGuane are pointing this out it’s about time the blowtorch is applied to our underperforming stars.
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Yes agree , can’t argue with the article . Calls out LDU , leadership group & Clarko (shhh ) don’t want to offend people here 🤫
 
Gasometer said:
Mick McGuane

Calls out LDU

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After having watched the team for the last 5 years, you'd be hard pressed to dismiss this article.

I hope it's been seriously discussed at the Club.

He's nailed the care and self preservation stuff amongst others.

The only issue I have is that McGuane implies that the senior guys are capable of better.

I actually don't think they are.

That's where they've landed as players and leaders and here we are.

I think it's our single greatest problem.
 
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One of the AFL’s most famous ex-coaches believes at just 20 Harry Sheezel should be Roos’ captain.​

Two-time North Melbourne premiership coach Denis Pagan chats with JON ANDERSON about why he thinks Harry Sheezel should be the Roos’ captain, his winner during the week, a Harley Reid comparison and more.
Jon Anderson

3 min read
April 27, 2024 - 2:07PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom



Denis Pagan was back in the winner’s stall during the week, his consistent gelding Georgie Get Mad saluting at $14 for Dakotah Keane in a Geelong benchmark 64.

Pagan, 76, is in the second phase of a dual-pronged sporting career, one that has included a VFL grand final as a player, two AFL premierships as a coach and a VRC Derby winner as a trainer.

JA: Another one of your quirky names and happily another winner.

DP: In his jumpout at Werribee, and I know they can be like dancing with your sister, he beat horses like The Astrologist, Gentleman Roy and Midwest. He beat them over 800m and Troy Corstens suggested dropping him back from 1400m to 1200m. He excites me the way he races and you still get that crazy winning feeling when it happens.

JA: It seems a long time ago when you did what Bart Cummings and T.J. Smith couldn’t do by winning the 2020 VRC Derby in your first training season.

DP: It was the biggest fluke of all time. I’d only had my license five minutes with one or two blokes pushing for me and the rest were saying, “What are you letting this peanut in for?” Johnny Get Angry just couldn’t let down again after the Derby. Every time I see Young Werther running around I think what could have been given we beat him in the Derby. “Johnny” is now retired to Living Legends.
JA: If I get a few owners could we race a horse with you?

DP: I don’t want to take on owners. I see people with two per cent in a horse ringing up the trainer telling them what jockey to put on or where to run it. I just couldn’t do it and can’t believe their audacity.

Denis Pagan after Georgie Get Mad won during the week. Picture: Getty Images

Denis Pagan after Georgie Get Mad won during the week. Picture: Getty Images

JA: I’ve been watching Carlton thinking how different the Blues were 20 years ago when you were coach.
DP: Charlie Curnow and Harry McKay up forward, Jacob Weitering up back, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh and Co in the middle, they have the most talented list. I might be doing Geelong and GWS a disservice and the Cats have a very, very good coach in Chris Scott.

JA: What about your old side North?
DP: We have too many midfielders, not enough big-bodied defenders and need a bigger forward to support Nick Larkey, although it can change quickly. In 1972 I played with North and we won one game for the year, two years later we were in a grand final. But I wouldn’t be too confident with North changing quickly.

JA: I keep thinking of that round 24 win last year over Gold Coast that cost North Melbourne access to Harley Reid.

DP: How do you win one game in 27 weeks by defeating Gold Coast in the last game of 2023? I look at that kid Harley Reid. He’ll be controlling the league in 12 months. But they couldn’t do anything. The law of averages says every game you lose means you’re closer to your next win but, geez, I wished they had got beaten by a point.

Harry Sheezel be captain? Picture: Getty Images

Harry Sheezel be captain? Picture: Getty Images

JA: What obvious change would you make at North Melbourne?
DP: It’s a brutal game so maybe push might come to shove for co-captains Jy Simpkin and Luke McDonald. I would take a punt with Harry Sheezel and make him captain next year at age 20. Just the way he speaks, the way he carries himself, the way he plays his football.
JA: At age 20?
DP: Everyone looks up to him. Get him in the midfield and make him captain next year. He’s not a ratbag or socialiser, a perfect role-model example for young players at that club. He’ll be exciting to watch.

JA: Does Harley Reid remind you of a young Sam Kekovich?
DP: Yes he does. I remember Sam, who had the best natural physique of any player I’ve seen, running through Francis Bourke and breaking his collarbone. Sam didn’t even try to do it. Harley Reid is already lifting older players to better performances.
JA: One right out of the box?
DP: And he kicked a goal from the forward pocket last week in normal fashion. Rather than kicking around the corner he kicked an orthodox drop punt.
A popular speaker at North Port Oval on Saturday was James Hird, whose connection to the club is via his son, Tom, who is playing with the Borough.
Not that Hird has expressed any interest in ever coaching again, a vocation some at Essendon still think he was extremely suited to, but clearly, Port Melbourne could do a lot worse when next in the market for a coach.

HOT​

ADEM YZE
Has retained remarkable composure in a debut year cruelled by injury.
HETTIE ROSE ADAMS
So good she even makes Advance Australia Fair sound regal.

NOT​

AFL DRAWS
If the grand final can’t be a draw, why should every other game?
ROSS LYON
As if he gives a rat’s toss-bag as to what journos made of the Port-St Kilda game.
 
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Kanga Glory said:
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Really good chronology of what happened.

For me the biggest problem was the overreaction at the end of 2020.

We'd been s**t and won 3, but been in it up to our necks in 6 or 7 others. It was only really when the hub totally blew up and Shaw's issues became more obvious that we started putting in the really meek performances.

There are blokes we could have kept which would have kept the list balance healthier and helped usher the kids in, so that we were at least competitive while down the bottom.

Williams, Brown, Pittard, Durdin and Murphy would've been better kept on IMO than what we brought in. They were capable of solid football at least, and would've made Higgins, Ziebell, Goldy, Cunners, Tarrants' last few years more bearable. It may have been the difference between the shambles we have now and a rebuild in which we at least had a hope of competing against most teams.

No one can argue that keeping those blokes would've harmed the development of youngsters in their positions considering we've barely filled said positions.
 
Themanbun said:
Really good chronology of what happened.

For me the biggest problem was the overreaction at the end of 2020.

We'd been s**t and won 3, but been in it up to our necks in 6 or 7 others. It was only really when the hub totally blew up and Shaw's issues became more obvious that we started putting in the really meek performances.

There are blokes we could have kept which would have kept the list balance healthier and helped usher the kids in, so that we were at least competitive while down the bottom.

Williams, Brown, Pittard, Durdin and Murphy would've been better kept on IMO than what we brought in. They were capable of solid football at least, and would've made Higgins, Ziebell, Goldy, Cunners, Tarrants' last few years more bearable. It may have been the difference between the shambles we have now and a rebuild in which we at least had a hope of competing against most teams.

No one can argue that keeping those blokes would've harmed the development of youngsters in their positions considering we've barely filled said positions.
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Can anyone let me know what happened to us in the hub that seems to have effects that are still
Ongoing? I have seen oblique references but have no idea.
 
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Another note from the second half of the article. There was a comment that player managers felt it was unclear if North were actually interested in their players or not, and the answer changed depending on who you asked.

Now imagine you're actually playing for us and (I'm speculating) copping the same treatment as you try to negotiate a contract extension? Might just fk with your confidence a touch hey.
 
Themanbun said:
Another note from the second half of the article. There was a comment that player managers felt it was unclear if North were actually interested in their players or not, and the answer changed depending on who you asked.

Now imagine you're actually playing for us and (I'm speculating) copping the same treatment as you try to negotiate a contract extension? Might just fk with your confidence a touch hey.
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Imagine they tell you to your face you will be extended and then you are delisted. Or you know that happened to a teammate. Not good.
 
So many mistakes that have compounded to where we are now. People need to read between the lines of what Clarko keeps saying. We will e no good until our current draftees are the senior players. Our older players are no good.

On another note,I have zero recollection of Alex Morgan. Thought it was a typo until I googled him.

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Apart from the fact that going over old ground yet again is pointless, I have two quibbles with this article.

One is that it misunderstands the plan in 2017, which wasn't a youth policy per se, but a belief that we could drop down the ladder for one year to get a high draft pick (LDU), but we'd then land some big names - Martin and Kelly - and we'd zoom back into contention quickly.

The other, related, quibble is missing the totally unnecessary contract extension for Brad Scott in 2017, when he still had 18 months to go. Whether the club thought it would be good to show stability to Martin and Kelly, or whether it was Scott cynically taking advantage of the situation for his own benefit is unknown. But it made it harder to change strategies when the those guys didn't come, and caused some unnecessary s**t when he was finally shown the door.
 
big_e said:
Apart from the fact that going over old ground yet again is pointless, I have two quibbles with this article.

One is that it misunderstands the plan in 2017, which wasn't a youth policy per se, but a belief that we could drop down the ladder for one year to get a high draft pick (LDU), but we'd then land some big names - Martin and Kelly - and we'd zoom back into contention quickly.

The other, related, quibble is missing the totally unnecessary contract extension for Brad Scott in 2017, when he still had 18 months to go. Whether the club thought it would be good to show stability to Martin and Kelly, or whether it was Scott cynically taking advantage of the situation for his own benefit is unknown. But it made it harder to change strategies when the those guys didn't come, and caused some unnecessary s**t when he was finally shown the door.
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This was Barrets line of thinking at the time as well
 
The Big O said:
So many mistakes that have compounded to where we are now. People need to read between the lines of what Clarko keeps saying. We will e no good until our current draftees are the senior players. Our older players are no good.

On another note,I have zero recollection of Alex Morgan. Thought it was a typo until I googled him.

On SM-S901E using BigFooty.com mobile app
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Played one game, had 19 disposals running off hbf, did okay and never played again.
 
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