Complaints RE: Zero stat games

[m8rix]

I have no issue what-so-ever whether or not to make "zero stat games" count or not. Well I have my view on the subject, but this is not the point. What I find to be complete BS is how they counted the game in one way and in other ways did not.

1 Go to this site:
http://supercoach.heraldsun.com.au/?p=help&m=contactus

2 Send a complaint.

3 Post it here.

 

[m8rix]

First complaint sent:

It's an absolute disgrace the way the Hill/Harvey zero point issue was handled.

The game either counts or it doesn't!!!

You pay the emergency indicating that the game DOES NOT COUNT!
You then apply price drop according to a score of zero indicating that the game DOES COUNT!
You DO NOT show this in the player/s history that they played and incurred a price change… WTF???

I don’t care if you decide to make the games count or not, but what the hell is this half counts half doesn't count BS?? I guess the only logical explanation is that a god damn half wit came up with that one!

 

[asanque]

Didn't affect me, but I complained to that site.

Didn't save the complaint post but main gist:

1. Inconsistent for negative scores to count but zeroes not to count.
2. Inconsistent for price drop but emergencies to count.
3. Inconsistent for Schoenmakers to score 0 in round 1, which counted and emergencies didn't count.

Edit:
I urge you all to complain.

Otherwise, when you fail to win your league premiership due to some of the other participants getting undeserved wins due to this bug, you have no right to complain.

Otherwise, when you miss out on the car by 300 points, due to the winner having Harvey as captain (Ablett vice captain), and 2 emergencies come in for harvey and hille netting 300 points, you have no right to complain.

 

[shavedham2kg]

It does seem rather ridiculous.

You have serious issues concerning how players scoring 0 are handled. The player cannot go down in value AND be counted as not playing so emergencies scorses count. Its either both change in value and counted as played or the opposite.

For the people who have Brent Harvey as captain this week, his price drops in value, their forward emergency plays and their vice captain scores double points. How is this fair to anyone?

Fix your game its unfair on everybody especially when money is up for grabs. If this was to cost someone the $50K you could have legal issues on your hands.

If you want to be regarded as the number 1 fantasy football game then get serious and announce the changes. AFL dream team does not have this issue.

 

[strategy]

What have i and Andy C been telling everyone ?
The SC is rigged and or they are incompetent and their system is flawed.
I am not rubbing it in , it just annoys the hell out of me that people like you , me and thousands of others put so much effort into picking players and SC dont do as they say they will .
Hille and Harvey went out ont the ground and played and didnt collect a point .The reserves didnt even get their footy gear on and were NOT selected to play yet collect points .
Its BS
I did get over 2,200 this week by the way .

I have sent a please explain to the Lotteries Commission of Victoria a few weeks ago and as yet NO REPLY. You cant run something like SC without legal permission etc etc .
As the previous thread stated legal issues may arise , and that is correct .

 

[Broadside]

if they walk out on the field they played the match, doesn't matter if they got zero or 150 the score should count. Can't believe they stuffed this up.

I'd be dark if it cost me first prize (not that it will).

 

[Sunday Red]

I have sent a please explain to the Lotteries Commission of Victoria a few weeks ago and as yet NO REPLY. You cant run something like SC without legal permission etc etc .
As the previous thread stated legal issues may arise , and that is correct .

It's a game FFS.

 

[Satan]

It's a game FFS.

I would agree if there was no monetary prize but since there is, every point counts and the Sc inconsistency on whether to include zero scores or not effects results

 

[FBDonkey]

It's a game FFS.

agreed

So strategy: are you saying you dont want us to be able to win cash prizes? As we dont pay an entry fee i think you will find the lottery commission does not care much, and im sure SC and DT both have all the appropriate liscences.

The consensus appears clear that the 0s should count towards total AND price movements - DT did neither so is perhaps worse than SC on this 1.

Ill still be sending a complaint as i think both of them got this 1 wrong

 

[shavedham2kg]

It's a game FFS.

Im sure you would change your tune if you came second because of this sort of stuff.

 

[Sunday Red]

I would agree if there was no monetary prize but since there is, every point counts and the Sc inconsistency on whether to include zero scores or not effects results

Im sure you would change your tune if you came second because of this sort of stuff.

The fact of the matter is that one person out of 318,860 wins a prize at the end of the season. The chances are so slim, it's not worth losing sleep over. The way you carry on about it implies you are in with a serious chance to walk away with the cash. Admittedly there are some good players on here, but come on... stop kidding yourselves relax and enjoy the game.

 

[m8rix]

What have i and Andy C been telling everyone ?

I am aware of your issues, and weather or not I agree or dissagree does not matter here. This thread is SPECIFICALLY about how they handled the Harvey/Hill situation and what feedback we at BigFooty are giving them in regards to this matter.

 

[shavedham2kg]

agreed

So strategy: are you saying you dont want us to be able to win cash prizes? As we dont pay an entry fee i think you will find the lottery commission does not care much, and im sure SC and DT both have all the appropriate liscences.

The consensus appears clear that the 0s should count towards total AND price movements - DT did neither so is perhaps worse than SC on this 1.

Ill still be sending a complaint as i think both of them got this 1 wrong

The way dream team did it is at least consistant and I dont even play Dream Team. How can a player be deemed to have played to drop in price but then deemed not to have played for the emergency to count?

 

[shavedham2kg]

The fact of the matter is that one person out of 318,860 wins a prize at the end of the season. The chances are so slim, it's not worth losing sleep over. The way you carry on about it implies you are in with a serious chance to walk away with the cash. Admittedly there are some good players on here, but come on... stop kidding yourselves relax and enjoy the game.

Im currently top 1000, I dont think I have a shot of winning it this year but in a couple of years who knows. Aiming for top 200 this year.

Now that this has happened the chances are not slim at all. If the person who wins had Harvey and/or Hille this round and the person who came second didnt it will effectively cost them $50K

 

[Topper]

In my Geelong BF league, i thought i scored 2317 with Hille's 0, this morning it showed my score was 2366 because Meeson scored 49 as my emergency. I won my league game by 2 points with Meesons score, without Meeson's score i would lose by 47. Even though this glitch helped me i wont complain if it gets corrected, i didnt deserve to win yet i have because of this.

 

[FBDonkey]

The way dream team did it is at least consistant and I dont even play Dream Team. How can a player be deemed to have played to drop in price but then deemed not to have played for the emergency to count?

i understand your point. However, if we agree that the correct decision was to include the 0 in BOTH overall points and price movements then SC got 1 wrong, while DT got 2 wrong.

 

[shavedham2kg]

i understand your point. However, if we agree that the correct decision was to include the 0 in BOTH overall points and price movements then SC got 1 wrong, while DT got 2 wrong.

I understand where you are coming from but I disagree. Consistancy is the key DT are consistant with what they decided and is fair for all. The problem with SC is they said the player played affecting price, but didnt play when counting emergencies. That does not make any sense.

 

[m8rix]

I understand where you are coming from but I disagree. Consistancy is the key DT are consistant with what they decided and is fair for all. The problem with SC is they said the player played affecting price, but didnt play when counting emergencies. That does not make any sense.

I agree with you AND FBDonkey,

The first thing I want to see is consistency.
However I agree that the best solution is to make a zero score count (in the full sense) if a player sets foot on a ground during play.

I would not send a complaint if they were consistent though.

 

[asanque]

I just got a reply from VS.

Looks like nothing will change.

>
> Hi XXXX,
>
> Thank you for your email.
>
> All players are awarded points based on their individual
> performances and any player scoring 0 is regarded as not
> having made any positive or negative contribution or
> impact on their match or their personal performance. As
> such, they are automatically replaced by an emergency when
> one is selected and available. This rule has been in place
> and remained consistent since the start of the competition
> several years ago.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> The SuperCoach Support Team

My response below:
That is a rubbish ruling.

How can you possibly have a price change downwards for a player scoring 0, yet not count their scores for the game? Its completely inconsistent and reeks of abysmal programming.

If Harvey was captain, and scored a 'free against', he would be -3.
Double that and its -6.
Just because he scored 0, shouldn't mean the vice captain counts instead.
If for example, someone has Gary Ablett as Vice Captain, you are looking at an additional 150 points.

Mark my words, you guys will be sued if you do not fix this flawed system and I will be cheering from the sidelines.
In fact, if I get close to the prize, I will be the one suing myself.

It makes 'zero' sense, for someone who plays to get replaced by an emergency if they have a score of '0', whereas someone who scores a negative sum is counted.

It makes even less sense for SC to deem a player didn't play, if they scored 0, yet revised their price downwards.

 

[lemon chicken]

Is there any chance this is just a computer error where the system has just replaced the zero's with the emergency scores. Today is a public holiday for some people so perhaps nobody is able to rectify the problem.

Edit: Just read above. This is ridiculous.

 

[Linear]

Sorry guys but i think all this complaining is just silly.

It does not matter if the 0s are counted or not against price rises or not.

As long as the same rule is kept the same for the full season then it is fair for everyone.

It cannot be changed mid stream now as that would be unfair to some.

1. Zeros dont count for the score if they play and get injured.

2. If the player plays, then their price can be adjusted.

Same rule is for everybody. If you are affected, bad luck. I just lost about 80K and two trades with Hille and Harvey going out. No complaints here, just get on with it and stick to the rules as they are currently set.

 

[Linear]

Is there any chance this is just a computer error where the system has just replaced the zero's with the emergency scores. Today is a public holiday for some people so perhaps nobody is able to rectify the problem.

Edit: Just read above. This is ridiculous.

No public holiday today in Victoria.

 

[m8rix]

Sorry guys but i think all this complaining is just silly.

This thread is for people that don't think it is silly.

I don't think there would be as many people complaining if they went totally one way or the other. The fact that they ended up somewhere in between is a joke!

It is well worth complaining and I recommend as many people do as possible because we don't want this rule to be in place for future years.

 

[lemon chicken]

No public holiday today in Victoria.

Depends where you work. Anyone on an EBA would have got a public holiday.

 

[Sunday Red]

Mark my words, you guys will be sued if you do not fix this flawed system and I will be cheering from the sidelines.
In fact, if I get close to the prize, I will be the one suing myself.

LOL

As I said before, it's a (free) game FFS.