Congrats Gazza!!!

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

Let me be the first to say:

Well Done Gary Ayres

After friday night he will have coached more games than anybody else at the AFC. A job very well done. Go Gazza!

k
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[DaveW]

And next month Ayres will be the first coach to take Adelaide into the finals for a third time. (first time we've made it three years in a row!)

 

[GoalsFrom50Out]

Congrats.

 

[DaveW]

Here's the respective records of each coach. Ayres already became our winningest coach earlier this year.

[B]Coach                   From  To          M     W     L     D[/B]
Graham Cornes           1991  1994       89    43    45     1
Robert Shaw             1995  1996       44    17    27
Malcolm Blight          1997  1999       74    41    33
Gary Ayres              2000  2003*      89    50    39

 

[DaveW]

BTW, the title to this thread has a very CrowsOK feel about it.

 

[Jars458]

Ayres wnning % 56.15
Blight wininng % 55.45

Ayres is now only missing the ultimate.

Good work Gary, you have done a great job in steadily improving our list and making us premiership contenders once again

 

[GoalsFrom50Out]

Wow ... Adelaide only won 17 matches under Shaw? A lot worse than I thought we did.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by GoalsFrom50Out
Wow ... Adelaide only won 17 matches under Shaw? A lot worse than I thought we did.

I don't know why that would come as a surprise.

Hopefully Shaw's 1995 appointment will be the first and last time we take on the reigning wooden spoon winning coach.

 

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

Originally posted by DaveW
I don't know why that would come as a surprise.

Hopefully Shaw's 1995 appointment will be the first and last time we take on the reigning wooden spoon winning coach.

Robert Shaw is a knob. I swear I could have coached better than him. Hopefully I can delete his name from my memory one of these days!

k
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[tribey]

Originally posted by MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl
Robert Shaw is a knob.

In all fairness, and I've said this before, he was at the helm when we:

Recruited:

Troy Bond
Kym Koster
Peter Caven
Darren Jarman
Shane Ellen
Matt Connell
Jason McCartney (traded for gain)

Drafted/Acquired:

Kane Johnson
Andrew McLeod
Simon Goodwin
Tyson Edwards
Peter Vardy (traded for gain)
Matthew Collins (traded for gain)
Brent Williams (traded for gain)

So as far as onfield coaching goes he was somewhat of a dud - although he didn't throw his skirt over his head and run once he was faced with a huge injury list in 96 like Blight did in 99.

As far as recruiting and drafting goes - and yes some credit does have to go to scouts and recruiting managers, he was head coach when these players were sought and brought in so he must've had some major input. It also must be said he did far better in this regard than Blight, who brought in more tools than Sidchrome.

I remember when I spoke to Sheeds (had an audience with him in October 1999) he told me that Robert Shaw got the rough end of the stick in Adelaide, and he doesn't get enough credit for the players he brought in and the rebuilding he achieved in spite of the bad press and abuse he copped and the injuries his squads suffered.

So all-up I'm saying it could've been much worse, as Rob Shaw did do some great things for our club, brought in plenty of talent and played the kids - and certainly the Messiah rolleyes: ) reaped many benefits in the following two years.

 

[DaveW]

Sorry dyertribe

You'll never convince us of your Shaw was brilliant and Blight was a dud line of thought; I'm impressed you've convinced yourself.

The records speak for themselves.

Two premierships versus two years in the wilderness.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by dyertribe
In all fairness, and I've said this before, he was at the helm when we:

Recruited:

Troy Bond
Kym Koster
Peter Caven
Darren Jarman
Shane Ellen

Drafted/Acquired:

Kane Johnson
Andrew McLeod
Simon Goodwin
Tyson Edwards

As far as recruiting and drafting goes - and yes some credit does have to go to scouts and recruiting managers, he was head coach when these players were sought and brought in so he must've had some major input. It also must be said he did far better in this regard than Blight, who brought in more tools than Sidchrome.

I agree completely with this. Although he was crap in the coaching box he was a great recruiter of talent. All the ones you have listed have played in the premierships with us. I hope that some of his ability to pick out talen have rubbed off on our recruiting staff.

Credit where credit is due. Shaw must be congratulated for bringing in all that talent.


BTW, Well done to Garry Ayers for his milestone tonigh and hope its a memorable one for all the right reasons.

Ayers, by far has been our most consistent coach, one that has transformed us from a cellar dweller to a premiership contender and in recent time regular finalists.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by DaveW
Sorry dyertribe

You'll never convince us of your Shaw was brilliant and Blight was a dud line of thought; I'm impressed you've convinced yourself.

The records speak for themselves.

Two premierships versus two years in the wilderness.

You completely misunderstand the gist of my post...

Read it again...

I said, onfield Shaw was a dud - even though he had a longterm injury list in 1996 that would've crippled any other side. And, when faced with mounting criticism, abuse and hardship off the field and an underperforming and injury-riddled squad that same year he didn't throw his toys out of the cot like Blight did in 1999 and abandon his club and the city.

As for off the field, the players drafted and recruited during Shaw's reign won us two Premierships, and some (McLeod, Edwards) continue to shine for us.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by dyertribe
You completely misunderstand the gist of my post...

Read it again...

I said, onfield Shaw was a dud - even though he had a longterm injury list in 1996 that would've crippled any other side.

People forget how bad our injury list was in 1997 - not to mention 2003! - we still got on with the job then.

And, when faced with mounting criticism, abuse and hardship off the field

yeah and all other underachieving coaches get a media joyride

and an underperforming

Who's fault is that?

and injury-riddled squad

No team goes through a season without a fair share of injuries

that same year he didn't throw his toys out of the cot like Blight did in 1999 and abandon his club and the city.

It's a shame he didn't.

As for off the field, the players drafted and recruited during Shaw's reign won us two Premierships, and some (McLeod, Edwards) continue to shine for us.

I thought this was the job of the recruiting officers.

Or was the reason Shaw couldn't win any matches because out watching young talent at local and junior leagues instead of devising game winning strategies from week to week?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
I thought this was the job of the recruiting officers.

It is but coach has a huge say in who he wants at the club.

Fact is During Shaw's time at Adelaide we got players like Edwards etc... While with Blighty we got the likes of Atkinson.

As I said, Shaw couldn't coach for Shit but was good at picking talent where as Blighty was a wiz in the coaching box but couldn't pick talent to save his life.

 

[tribey]

Ah the patented DaveW superquote

I'll get back to you in due time mate

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Fact is During Shaw's time at Adelaide we got players like Edwards etc... While with Blighty we got the likes of Atkinson.

Fact is during Blight's time at Adelaide we got players like Burton etc... while with Shaw we got the likes of Fernee.

Also, is it any coincidence that the development of players like Edwards came along in leaps and bounds after Blight arrived at the club?

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by DaveW
People forget how bad our injury list was in 1997 - not to mention 2003! - we still got on with the job then.

No doubt our injury list was bad in 1997, and it's been bad in 2003 - but in both of these cases we had the vast majority of our keymen up and running without much trouble.

This year we've had to do without Stevens and Carey, and Goodwin suffered his arm injury, but in the main we have far greater depth in 2003 than in either 96 or 97.

In 1997 we did without Rehn until Round 5... lost Vardy late, and lost Ricciuto after halfway. Modra went great guns until midway and tailed off to sub-mediocrity before doing his knee in the Prelim.

In 96 Rehn, McGuinness, Koster, Tregenza all went down with cruciate ligaments - practically our entire onball division - not to mention the other minor and short-term injuries that afflict a football club over the course of a season.

Originally posted by DaveW
yeah and all other underachieving coaches get a media joyride

I wasn't just referring to the media coverage - of course they don't get a "media joyride" - but let's not forget Rob was coaching in a one-team town. There was no other AFL side for the journos to write about yet. Thus everything was magnified.

Also, how many coaches get openly abused in the street and have their house egged? He was treated shamefully by some sections of the public.

Originally posted by DaveW
Who's fault is that?

Who's fault was it in 94 and 95 under Cornes? Or in 99 under Blight? Or in 2000 under Ayres? I was merely making the point the squad was underperforming... often the players have a lot to answer for.

Originally posted by DaveW
No team goes through a season without a fair share of injuries

Agreed. Without Rehn and your club captain it is tough though.

Originally posted by DaveW
It's a shame he didn't.

Geez with a statement like this I'd say your Shaw-hatin' runs a lot deeper than my Blight version...

Originally posted by DaveW
I thought this was the job of the recruiting officers..

Senior coach is where the buck stops. He has a major hand in going for what he wants and tells his recruiting officers what to look for - and in the end, the senior coach says who stays, who comes and who goes.

Originally posted by DaveW
Or was the reason Shaw couldn't win any matches because out watching young talent at local and junior leagues instead of devising game winning strategies from week to week? ..

Could well've been, Captain Sarcasmo of the League of Sarcastic Gentlemen.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Who's fault was it in 94 and 95 under Cornes?

So Shaw wasn't responsible for our 1995 season either?

Now I've heard it all!

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by DaveW
So Shaw wasn't responsible for our 1995 season either?

Now I've heard it all!

Ah the magic of the mixedup year... giving DaveW ammunition against me since 2030