Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[Hawk Dork]

Seems North Korea isnt the Covid Free Paradise it claimed to be

Dire situation in North Korea drives 'collective exit' of diplomats

Russian embassy staff cite medicine shortages and unbearable conditions arising from strict Covid restrictions

www.theguardian.com

 

[Registered User]

Subject: BREAKING: Man hospitalised after AstraZeneca vaccine
Reply-To: The Australian <reply-fe8c1078726c077c71-76158_HTML-285201347-1479718-5006@e.theaustralian.com.au>

Once again, what a total "shock" that I'm on here posting this today. It's happened quicker than I thought. If only there was some warning (if I only I had a sarcasm filter). Who will be the first Aussie killed by the death-jab? Unbelievable! Lying, pocket-lined Knuts!

Blood-clotting case in AstraZeneca vaccine recipient being taken 'very seriously'

Australia's Acting Chief Medical Officer Michael Kidd confirms authorities are investigating a "probable" case of a rare clotting disorder in an Australian man who received the AstraZeneca vaccine.

www.abc.net.au

 

[MrKK]

Seems North Korea isnt the Covid Free Paradise it claimed to be

Dire situation in North Korea drives 'collective exit' of diplomats

Russian embassy staff cite medicine shortages and unbearable conditions arising from strict Covid restrictions

www.theguardian.com

"North Korea’s borders have in effect been closed since last January in what is probably the world’s most severe Covid-19 quarantine."

So strike them off your list of countries 'proving' that lockdowns work? It's getting very short.

 

[BlueE]

Once again, what a total "shock" that I'm on here posting this today. It's happened quicker than I thought. If only there was some warning (if I only I had a sarcasm filter). Who will be the first Aussie killed by the death-jab? Unbelievable! Lying, pocket-lined Knuts!

Blood-clotting case in AstraZeneca vaccine recipient being taken 'very seriously'

Australia's Acting Chief Medical Officer Michael Kidd confirms authorities are investigating a "probable" case of a rare clotting disorder in an Australian man who received the AstraZeneca vaccine.

www.abc.net.au

This is what has shut down Canada, Germany, Norway, Denmark countries AZ injections recently, especially dangerous for under 55's.

Interesting video to listen to as Dr Swan says that TGA haven't admitted a connection even though all these countries have reported major problems and deaths and lucky Victoria was one State to issue guidance in relation to this clotting being recognised as connected to vaccine induced injury and it was treated appropriately, although the man is still serious.

He's seems to be suggesting we're not in an emergency situation like those other countries and they've halted AZ injections so why are we still continuing? He's saying the TGA should be questioning whether the AZ injections should be given to anyone under 55 years of age!

Germans saying this rare side effect may be 1 in 100,000 vaccines, so in the 50 million we've ordered around 50 under 55s should expect this?

 

[burge13]

Experts continue their tremendously accurate record regarding covid. Have they been right about anything yet? When will people see through their garbage

 

[yebiga]

Health care workers and anyone in contact with new quarantined arrivals need to be vaccinated real quick.....feds are stuffing this up
Vaccinating people before they come home as part of the deal of coming home should be a priority too.

You go and get put on the list if you step in that room and get jabbed
20 odd days later you get told to get on the plane a few hours earlier to be able to get your next one

No jab no fly

Lad broke it!

 

[yebiga]

Nearly a third of people who have been in hospital suffering from Covid-19 are readmitted for further treatment within four months of being discharged, and one in eight of patients dies in the same period, doctors have found.

The striking long-term impact of the disease has prompted doctors to call for ongoing tests and monitoring of former coronavirus patients to detect early signs of organ damage and other complications caused by the virus.



While Covid is widely known to cause serious respiratory problems, the virus can also infect and damage other organs such as the heart, liver and kidneys.

Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

BMJ analysis of 48,000 records also finds one in eight patients die within four months of discharge

www.theguardian.com

 

[Registered User]

'Coincidence' of the day.

 

[No SPIN]

This is what has shut down Canada, Germany, Norway, Denmark countries AZ injections recently, especially dangerous for under 55's.

Interesting video to listen to as Dr Swan says that TGA haven't admitted a connection even though all these countries have reported major problems and deaths and lucky Victoria was one State to issue guidance in relation to this clotting being recognised as connected to vaccine induced injury and it was treated appropriately, although the man is still serious.

He's seems to be suggesting we're not in an emergency situation like those other countries and they've halted AZ injections so why are we still continuing? He's saying the TGA should be questioning whether the AZ injections should be given to anyone under 55 years of age!

Germans saying this rare side effect may be 1 in 100,000 vaccines, so in the 50 million we've ordered around 50 under 55s should expect this?

no such thing as a 100% safe drug or vaccine - there are always contraindications and high risk patients that should not be given the product.

 

[No SPIN]

Experts continue their tremendously accurate record regarding covid. Have they been right about anything yet? When will people see through their garbage

see through what exactly?

 

[Hawk Dork]

"North Korea’s borders have in effect been closed since last January in what is probably the world’s most severe Covid-19 quarantine."

So strike them off your list of countries 'proving' that lockdowns work? It's getting very short.

I named it for being a paradise for delusion about Covid

 

[BlueE]

Dr USO - video starts off with BS - by saying the Vaccine is an “ experimental gene therapy”. It’s not.
The rest of the video is conjectural, no firm claims just “well maybe this or that. We need to see the data “. No drug company makes their full data available to the public - they make it available to the Regulatory Bodies.

We entrust these bodies to make the right decisions and 99.9% of the time they are right - otherwise more people would be dying from drugs than being saved by drugs.

Second Video - agree with Vit D and Invermectin efficacy I take Vit D daily.

So the fact remains there is NO evidence the mRNA Vaccines alter genes - NONE.
Why ? Because it’s Biochemically impossible without a Gene Editing enzyme like CRISPR in the Vaccine.
Otherwise virus infection would over the course of history have lead to genetic changes - and given these Vaccines use the same mechanism, they too can’t change our genes.

It's not a vaccine according to definition (although Merriam-Webster did change their definition of what a vaccine on 6th March 2021 for the injection), because it doesn't stop anyone getting COVID or passing it on and does not "usually consists of a small amount of a killed, weakened, or otherwise modified version of a disease (such as a virus or bacterium)."

Dr Urso starts off by saying he's not anti vaxx and has had plenty of vaccines but we've never been successful with any coronavirus vaccine and may be more susceptible to the virus and not less and natural immunity is always going to be stronger and last longer than the vaccine.

When asked who he thought of Safety and efficacy with the new mRNA technology, he calls the injections experimental gene therapy/experimental vaccine then shows a video of how the corona virus enters the cells through spike proteins and how mRNA injections work. The video is good factual summary so not sure what wrong with that.

Your main objection seems to be Dr Urso calling the injections experimental gene therapy and if they change genes or genetic material which is theoretically possible, then it is. If they completed comprehensive animal experiments then there would be data whether the injections modify genes. They had pregnancy experiments ongoing in mice but choose not to report in December 2020. It's not there is NO evidence, it's unknown, because the animal studies did not test, or are incomplete and have not been reported on. mRNA is a gene editing system and you seem to be saying injecting attenuated or weakened viruses, is the same as injecting mRNA, but couldn't be more different.

Whether he calls it that or not (I prefer quoting Gates with his description of mRNA injections as modified genetic materials), there is no doubt it's experimental. mRNA injections have never been successfully used in humans before and adenovector DNA injections have had an experimental Ebola approved (July 2020), but has had problems with high false positive HIV. None of the current VOCID injections have finished stage 3 testing and reporting is not due until Jan 2023. Most countries in the world (not Australia) have only given emergency authorisation reporting and health insurance policies are refusing to cover adverse effects because of it being experimental, so don't keep on that one!

Dr Urso doesn't say we need to see the data except for comprehensive animal studies that have not been done or reported on but previously were completed in testing other mRNA injections for coronaviruses. I'm sure if you saw the pictures you wouldn't be saying "we need to see this or that" Dr Urso gives examples from pervious mRNA vaccines that are well documented from animal studies, that when challenged with the real virus the reaction is far worse that is not vaccinated because of ADE or pathogenic priming and resulted in severe immune injury or deaths in 50 to 100% of cases. This is observed in experimental vaccines tested for other coronavirus like SARS, MERES, and common cold corona viruses.

Dr Urso correctly says the data isn't in to make decisions on safety (testing and reporting is not completed) and the efficacy data Pfiizer have relied on to get their injections passed in the US has been misleading, as reported in the British Medical Journal (Doshi), and discussed by Prof Clancy. .pdfs from Pfizer and Moderna presented to the US did have more information, but that's a joke if you think it was all made available to the regulatory bodies as is discussed and challenged in the BMJ. I suggest you read it before making incorrect statements about that and specialists that say we don't have the information.

COVID manufacturers should have published all their data, but most have hardly published anything and subjectively taken some data from uncompleted Phase 3 to clams about safety and efficacy that haven't been duplicated in separately in countries like South Africa. Since the original virus from Wuhan was never allowed to be isolated, scientists estimated SARS CoV 2 to be close to the original. Then from that estimate, we don't know what kind of spike protein was manufactured in any of the injections, because it's never been published or disclosed. This is important, because if anyone receiving these vaccines is challenged by that exact spike protein in another corona virus, then from the animal studies you can expect severe pathogenic priming.

The point he makes about Pfizer not giving it's injections to any countries unless they're indemnified, with Argentina and other South American countries was discussed here weeks ago. It's an appalling example of how Big Pharma want indemnity and how they will take their Countries assets, bank reserves, embassies and military power as collateral of your country instead if you're so desperate for the injection.

Discusses cross immunity from memory Tcells and research has shown this can give our population significant immunity leading to herd immunity. (SARS 1 TCells from original infections have still been found 17 years later and protect against SARS Cov 2.)

I agree with all Dr Ryan Cole's summary of data, treatments, asymptomatic and vaccines as well, and think most who post here think the same as much of what he talks is agreed by most on this thread. At risk population is advanced age, obesity and low Vit D. Huge wrap for sunshine and Vit D supplement to prevent COVID and improve your immune system. 70-80% are Zn deficient.

The earlier you treat the better outcomes, but NIH is suppressing effective medications and has an interest in promoting vaccines which can not be approved for emergency use when effective medications exist. IVE extremely safe and effective preventative and medicine. Could have decreased deaths in US by 375,000. Prevented COVID infections in various trials between 80 and 100%.

Historically the correct injections are not vaccines. Injecting a sequence of mRNA into people is a medical device. Experimental, biological, gene therapy, immune modulatory injection. We're injecting people with a synthetic sequence of mRNA that's been shown to cause sever adverse effects in previous animal studies. Data is missing long term data, not independent or available for peer review.

However even though this was a presentation sponsored by the government of Idaho, it's an example of how Big Tech like to suppress information, they removed it from you tube.

 

[burge13]

see through what exactly?

Their claims that life cant go back to normal

 

[BlueE]

no such thing as a 100% safe drug or vaccine - there are always contraindications and high risk patients that should not be given the product.

But they weren't high risk or had any history of blood clotting!!!

The only risk he had along with other from Canada, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Italy etc was that he was under 55 years of age.

Also not approved in US, Switzerland, South Africa, so not even started there.

The respected Dr interviewed on ABC made a point to say Australia is not under any emergency, so the TGA should question why the AZ rollout should continue. This is just with one of the many serous adverse effects.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Their claims that life cant go back to normal

Do you believe it will go back to normal ?
When and how ?

Cant see WFH being totally disbanded and thats massive changes for commercial property rural property and CBD businesses .

 

[burge13]

Do you believe it will go back to normal ?
When and how ?

Cant see WFH being totally disbanded and thats massive changes for commercial property rural property and CBD businesses .

Wfh doesnt have to be disbanded. Wtf you on about

Normal means no more stupid ****ing rules

 

[No SPIN]

It's not a vaccine according to definition (although Merriam-Webster did change their definition of what a vaccine on 6th March 2021 for the injection), because it doesn't stop anyone getting COVID or passing it on and does not "usually consists of a small amount of a killed, weakened, or otherwise modified version of a disease (such as a virus or bacterium)."

Dr Urso starts off by saying he's not anti vaxx and has had plenty of vaccines but we've never been successful with any coronavirus vaccine and may be more susceptible to the virus and not less and natural immunity is always going to be stronger and last longer than the vaccine.

When asked who he thought of Safety and efficacy with the new mRNA technology, he calls the injections experimental gene therapy/experimental vaccine then shows a video of how the corona virus enters the cells through spike proteins and how mRNA injections work. The video is good factual summary so not sure what wrong with that.

Your main objection seems to be Dr Urso calling the injections experimental gene therapy and if they change genes or genetic material which is theoretically possible, then it is. If they completed comprehensive animal experiments then there would be data whether the injections modify genes. They had pregnancy experiments ongoing in mice but choose not to report in December 2020. It's not there is NO evidence, it's unknown, because the animal studies did not test, or are incomplete and have not been reported on. mRNA is a gene editing system and you seem to be saying injecting attenuated or weakened viruses, is the same as injecting mRNA, but couldn't be more different.

Whether he calls it that or not (I prefer quoting Gates with his description of mRNA injections as modified genetic materials), there is no doubt it's experimental. mRNA injections have never been successfully used in humans before and adenovector DNA injections have had an experimental Ebola approved (July 2020), but has had problems with high false positive HIV. None of the current VOCID injections have finished stage 3 testing and reporting is not due until Jan 2023. Most countries in the world (not Australia) have only given emergency authorisation reporting and health insurance policies are refusing to cover adverse effects because of it being experimental, so don't keep on that one!

Dr Urso doesn't say we need to see the data except for comprehensive animal studies that have not been done or reported on but previously were completed in testing other mRNA injections for coronaviruses. I'm sure if you saw the pictures you wouldn't be saying "we need to see this or that" Dr Urso gives examples from pervious mRNA vaccines that are well documented from animal studies, that when challenged with the real virus the reaction is far worse that is not vaccinated because of ADE or pathogenic priming and resulted in severe immune injury or deaths in 50 to 100% of cases. This is observed in experimental vaccines tested for other coronavirus like SARS, MERES, and common cold corona viruses.

Dr Urso correctly says the data isn't in to make decisions on safety (testing and reporting is not completed) and the efficacy data Pfiizer have relied on to get their injections passed in the US has been misleading, as reported in the British Medical Journal (Doshi), and discussed by Prof Clancy. .pdfs from Pfizer and Moderna presented to the US did have more information, but that's a joke if you think it was all made available to the regulatory bodies as is discussed and challenged in the BMJ. I suggest you read it before making incorrect statements about that and specialists that say we don't have the information.

COVID manufacturers should have published all their data, but most have hardly published anything and subjectively taken some data from uncompleted Phase 3 to clams about safety and efficacy that haven't been duplicated in separately in countries like South Africa. Since the original virus from Wuhan was never allowed to be isolated, scientists estimated SARS CoV 2 to be close to the original. Then from that estimate, we don't know what kind of spike protein was manufactured in any of the injections, because it's never been published or disclosed. This is important, because if anyone receiving these vaccines is challenged by that exact spike protein in another corona virus, then from the animal studies you can expect severe pathogenic priming.

The point he makes about Pfizer not giving it's injections to any countries unless they're indemnified, with Argentina and other South American countries was discussed here weeks ago. It's an appalling example of how Big Pharma want indemnity and how they will take their Countries assets, bank reserves, embassies and military power as collateral of your country instead if you're so desperate for the injection.

Discusses cross immunity from memory Tcells and research has shown this can give our population significant immunity leading to herd immunity. (SARS 1 TCells from original infections have still been found 17 years later and protect against SARS Cov 2.)

I agree with all Dr Ryan Cole's summary of data, treatments, asymptomatic and vaccines as well, and think most who post here think the same as much of what he talks is agreed by most on this thread. At risk population is advanced age, obesity and low Vit D. Huge wrap for sunshine and Vit D supplement to prevent COVID and improve your immune system. 70-80% are Zn deficient.

The earlier you treat the better outcomes, but NIH is suppressing effective medications and has an interest in promoting vaccines which can not be approved for emergency use when effective medications exist. IVE extremely safe and effective preventative and medicine. Could have decreased deaths in US by 375,000. Prevented COVID infections in various trials between 80 and 100%.

Historically the correct injections are not vaccines. Injecting a sequence of mRNA into people is a medical device. Experimental, biological, gene therapy, immune modulatory injection. We're injecting people with a synthetic sequence of mRNA that's been shown to cause sever adverse effects in previous animal studies. Data is missing long term data, not independent or available for peer review.

However even though this was a presentation sponsored by the government of Idaho, it's an example of how Big Tech like to suppress information, they removed it from you tube.

I will focus on the crux of this debate - you say in the second paragraph “mRNA is a Gene editing system”, I have explained the only way you can edit genes is with CRISPR or similar enzymes.
You now need to explain how mRNA can edit genes without CRISPR.
All you’ve offered is speculation and conjecture - no workable hypothesis or credible theory.
So please give me the credible hypothesis and mechanism by which the COVID mRNA vaccines can edit genes.
And finally, you need to explain the purpose for which Pfizer want to edit our genome.
All your other issues are secondary to this issue which is central to the massive fear campaign around mRNA Vaccines.

 

[No SPIN]

But they weren't high risk or had any history of blood clotting!!!

The only risk he had along with other from Canada, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Italy etc was that he was under 55 years of age.

Also not approved in US, Switzerland, South Africa, so not even started there.

The respected Dr interviewed on ABC made a point to say Australia is not under any emergency, so the TGA should question why the AZ rollout should continue. This is just with one of the many serous adverse effects.

I have no problem with clearly evaluating the reason for the problem - its an essential part of what is known as a Pharmcovigilance Program ALL manufacturers are expected to implement for any products they market.
But again let’s be very very clear - the incidence is very low, and there is not a drug or vaccine on the planet that is 100% safe.
Further, you CANNOT design a clinical trial program that includes patients with every possible medical condition or taking every known drug in order to assess safety.
Many of these issues appear after wide spread use ( usually after a very very large of doses) and then appear as warnings and contraindications on the Prescription Information for the product.

There is no such thing as a perfect drug or Vaccine.

 

[MarcMaverick]

 

[BlueE]

I will focus on the crux of this debate - you say in the second paragraph “mRNA is a Gene editing system”, I have explained the only way you can edit genes is with CRISPR or similar enzymes.
You now need to explain how mRNA can edit genes without CRISPR.
All you’ve offered is speculation and conjecture - no workable hypothesis or credible theory.
So please give me the credible hypothesis and mechanism by which the COVID mRNA vaccines can edit genes.
And finally, you need to explain the purpose for which Pfizer want to edit our genome.
All your other issues are secondary to this issue which is central to the massive fear campaign around mRNA Vaccines.

The fear campaign is SARS Cov 2, when it is less deadly than a bad flu for extreme aged people. If there is any fear campaign on the injections they are only based on that they are experimental, unfinished and unreported safety and efficacy trial that aren't due to be reported until Jan 2023 for injections never been approved before for humans. Most people want medium and long term effects to be properly studied. Why is that controversial, especially if there are many reported adverse effects and deaths?

mRNA packaged in a fat envelope, is a medical device, described by pharmaceutical companies as the software that enters the body, with instructions to stimulate the human cells into becoming a pathogen creator. Both Dr Cole and Dr Urso are calling this "experimental gene therapy" or "Experimental, biological, gene therapy, immune modulatory injection. We're injecting people with a synthetic sequence of mRNA that's been shown to cause sever adverse effects in previous animal studies." Data is missing long term data, not independent or available for peer review. If that upsets you write to them.

Many previous animal studies have shown permanent immune diseases, ADE and deaths. It's not a secret that the way mRNA works attacking the immune system without being turned off causes these changes. Adenovector simian DNA is also been directly injected into cells, vaccine DNA can integrate into your genome. Present injections haven't had comprehensive testing or it hasn't been reported on to test for DNA changes.

Read the letter sent to the European Regulatory Authority by Yeadon and Wodarg and I can find the discussions on these changes and the hypothesis is that any effect that the vaccine has on the human, for example blood disorders or cellulitis, causes permanent DNA changes that can be passed on the next generation. Changes in sperm have already been observed and human studies planned to study if these are temporary. Permanent changes and possible female infertility is being tested in mice by AZ, but hasn't been reported on yet.

Why don't you think adenovector simian DNA injections works the same as CRISPER?

Gene Therapy Adenoviral Vectors Explained

Gene Therapy adenoviral vectors explained, information about the mechanism of Adenoviruses, Adeviral particle organisation and genome organisation of adenoviruses

www.genetherapynet.com

 

[Hawk Dork]

Wfh doesnt have to be disbanded. Wtf you on about

Normal means no more stupid ******* rules

Is a Vax passport a stupid rule ?
No jab no fly a stupid rule ?
QR codes for venues
Surely they will be around for a long time

Regular vaxing as the ronna mutates will probably be around for a long time too

 

[BlueE]

I have no problem with clearly evaluating the reason for the problem - its an essential part of what is known as a Pharmcovigilance Program ALL manufacturers are expected to implement for any products they market.
But again let’s be very very clear - the incidence is very low, and there is not a drug or vaccine on the planet that is 100% safe.
Further, you CANNOT design a clinical trial program that includes patients with every possible medical condition or taking every known drug in order to assess safety.
Many of these issues appear after wide spread use ( usually after a very very large of doses) and then appear as warnings and contraindications on the Prescription Information for the product.

There is no such thing as a perfect drug or Vaccine.

The problem is that there are safe and effective therapeutics that are 100% effective with no deaths. But with this information, emergency use vaccine would never be approved, and the huge profits and influence of Big Pharma curtailed. There is a high incidence of adverse effects and deaths record in Europe, UK and US.

The same playbook was tried in 2009 with H1N1, WHO declared a pandemic and millions of dollars of experimental vaccines, were bought by many European countries. Big Pharm or governments were responsible for compensating adverse effects and deaths.

This combined with scientists that condemning the response were listened to and prompted in the media and vaccines stopped with countries hundreds of millions out of pocket and only now just settling cases of permanent damage and deaths from the vaccine, which incidentally just disappeared by itself.

 

[GuzzLG]

Q
Is a Vax passport a stupid rule ?
No jab no fly a stupid rule ?
QR codes for venues
Surely they will be around for a long time

Regular vaxing as the ronna mutates will probably be around for a long time too

Yes
Yes
Yes


Any other questions?

 

[Hawk Dork]

Yes
Yes
Yes


Any other questions?

So therefore it wont return to normal that quickly ?

 

[GuzzLG]

So therefore it wont return to normal that quickly ?

It's not intended to return to normal.