Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[ioppolo]

He was talking about Dusty going to visit his old man in NZ and was probably asked what if the travel bubble bursts and he gets stranded.

Imagine if he brings back COVID with him, he'd be labelled the most selfish, entitled campaigner ever because he did non-essential travel!

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Imagine if he brings back COVID with him, he'd be labelled the most selfish, entitled campaigner ever because he did non-essential travel!

Non essential my ass. He went to talk to Roger Tuivasa Sheck about how he likes to play rugby and to find out If he enjoys it which is essential of course

 

[Lethal Knights]

I wish i could be this accurate with my investments.

 

[No SPIN]

It's not a new law, it's an archaic law so vaguely worded as to be meaningless. If the dead weren't cops nothing would have happened to the guy. If laws were about public outcry child rapists wouldn't get 18 month sentences. The police wanted the guy locked up, so they went through the back catalogue of laws to find something to charge him with. Who's to say how these "emergency powers" could be used, we've already seen people have their doors kicked in for posting on Facebook, yet the BLM protests had the police on their knees. There's no consistency in enforcement, so when the vic govt wants to give PSO's the authority, no warrant needed, to enter and search a home, arrest and detain indefinitely with no recourse, based on a "reasonable belief " the person may not comply with directives, people aren't being paranoid if they voice concern, they're being pragmatic.

Are you suggesting that crimes against Police Officers, should be treated identically to those against the general public.
What about Judges?
The public expectation is that members of Law enforcement, given their critical service to the community, need protection, and it therefore follows, crimes against them should be punished more severely.

I don’t think thats unreasonable.

As to the PSO question - if a worst case scenario was to eventuate, and the Police were under resourced, who is the next most qualified group in sufficient numbers that could be used.

Forgetting whether you feel the Govt is right on the question of whether this truly is a Pandemic - how do you disaster plan in circumstances where there is certainty Police resources will be inadequate, without using PSO, Army etc?

Finally, I think you under estimate the public. I have no doubt any Govt. who abuses emergency powers, and thereby seen to be acting unfairly or unconscionably, would be voted out of office.

At a federal level the perceived unfairness of Work Choices cost Howard the election.

 

[bok_party]

Now this is why we need you here.

Everyone should take careful notice to understand how easily we can be duped.

The posters here don't believe there is any pandemic. It is not up to us to prove a negative.
You kimosabe need to prove there is a pandemic
You know that you can't, so you weaselly avoid it by demanding we prove something your gestapo team invented!

So tell us how a sub-zero fatality rate is a Pandemic? Please, you do not need to cite anyone, just try - let's see if you can pass the lowest possible bar.

If it’s a sub zero fatality rate for COVID then surely an even lower percentage of deaths from a vaccine shouldn’t incur the wrath of these same people? Because it’s a sub zero fatality rate right?

 

[bok_party]

Look at you - the hysteria came from the media's daily presentation of covid
There were home invasions, there were protests shut down, there were a sequence of incidence where heavy handed policing occurred
The were restrictions across the whole country on our civil liberties to leave our homes, operate our businesses, see our families.

It seems you think we should be grateful that we weren't en masse put in a cell and tortured.

As you are a poor human specimen, a useful fool, so to speak. What is occurring in reality will almost always escape your notice.
People are pissed - en masse. But people - excluding those like yourself - will not act hastily, we are cunning animals. We will bide our time, we remember and we will let the light shine when the time is right.

The hysteria was a weapon used by those unable to provide sufficient persuasive evidence to goad the masses into compliance. You fortunately, represent a small minority hell bent on their own extinction.

There’s hysteria on both sides. One side exacerbates perhaps how deadly the virus possibly is and the other side exaggerates a “great reset” etc.

 

[bok_party]

Covid death toll is 10 percent of the normal daily average yet crematoriums are on around the clock. How naive can people be really? A country of 1 billion can’t cremate 3,000 people fast enough? as if

Do you think they just throw them in a pit and burn them all? Or do you think the families might want to hold ceremonies for them?

 

[rank and file]

Imagine if he brings back COVID with him, he'd be labelled the most selfish, entitled campaigner ever because he did non-essential travel!

Should be fine,I don't think there is much covid in NZ.

 

[BlueE]

Very interesting look at the evidence of where SARS CoV 2 came from and who was funding the research.

 

[BlueE]

Now this is why we need you here.

Everyone should take careful notice to understand how easily we can be duped.

The posters here don't believe there is any pandemic. It is not up to us to prove a negative.
You kimosabe need to prove there is a pandemic
You know that you can't, so you weaselly avoid it by demanding we prove something your gestapo team invented!

So tell us how a sub-zero fatality rate is a Pandemic? Please, you do not need to cite anyone, just try - let's see if you can pass the lowest possible bar.

By definition a pandemic is "an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people"

So, not seasonal.

They also said it has to be a "Novel" virus not seem before but SARS CoV 2 is very similar to SARS 1, MERS and four other common cold corona viruses and it has to be severe. PCR testing bumped up the cases with high replication cycles and WHO changed it causes of death classification to include a covid - 19 death can occur of other causes within 30 days of having symptoms, you didn't even had to have a positive test, which never happened before.

 

[yebiga]

There’s hysteria on both sides. One side exacerbates perhaps how deadly the virus possibly is and the other side exaggerates a “great reset” etc.

First mover advantage?
One side called a pandemic the other side not convinced.
Now, when its earth quake or tsunami there is no need to convince people - everyone can see what it is.

This has been unconvincing, inconsistent, error riddled, intolerant of criticism and hysterical. Those who are opposed to it do not need to justify themselves, prove anything or apologise for any paranoia or other fanciful considerations. Faced with the unknown and unprecendented it is not only natural to consider all possibilities it is essential process of adaptation.

There is only one side here that is behaving inhumanely, illogically, stupidly and only one side that will need to backflip.

 

[BlueE]

Covid death toll is 10 percent of the normal daily average yet crematoriums are on around the clock. How naive can people be really? A country of 1 billion can’t cremate 3,000 people fast enough? as if

India had once of the best responses to COVID with its IVM +Zn + antibiotic pack, minimal if any lockdowns and after a peak of around 1000 deaths a day last October declined to almost none just before the COIVD injection rollout. 300,000 health workers were the first to get it at start of Jan and 114 million doses now given correlated with an exponential increase in cases and deaths. However 2,800 deaths a day, 10% of total deaths per day and 425 per million. Compare that with Italy at 1,977 per mil, UK at 1,880 per mil and US at 1,732 per mil.

India launches world's largest vaccination drive

Over 300,000 frontline workers to get vaccination shots on 1st day of nationwide roll-out - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

While correlation isn't causation, it's too much of a coincidence where countries all around the world show the an exponential increase in deaths from COVID 19 after starting the COIVD injections.

Thailand


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UK compared with India up until Feb 19th. Deaths per million for India now is 4.24


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Philippines

 

[zill]

Are you suggesting that crimes against Police Officers, should be treated identically to those against the general public.
What about Judges?
The public expectation is that members of Law enforcement, given their critical service to the community, need protection, and it therefore follows, crimes against them should be punished more severely.

I don’t think thats unreasonable.

He didn't commit a crime against the officers, that's the point. They had to dig up an archaic law so they could send him to jail. The law is obsolete, but is kept around to be used to punish people who haven't commited a crime. Nothing will be said about it because the guy is a callous arseh*le, but you should be worried that this happened.

As to the PSO question - if a worst case scenario was to eventuate, and the Police were under resourced, who is the next most qualified group in sufficient numbers that could be used.

Forgetting whether you feel the Govt is right on the question of whether this truly is a Pandemic - how do you disaster plan in circumstances where there is certainty Police resources will be inadequate, without using PSO, Army etc?

PSO's are glorified security guards, barely fit to hand out fines for having your feet on the seats. No way they should be given authority to detain people "on suspicion they may not comply with covid regulations". And the original plan was to give that authority out randomly, and you're going to call people paranoid?

Finally, I think you under estimate the public. I have no doubt any Govt. who abuses emergency powers, and thereby seen to be acting unfairly or unconscionably, would be voted out of office.

At a federal level the perceived unfairness of Work Choices cost Howard the election.

We've already seen massive abuse of emergency powers, Dickhead Dan implemented a curfew just because, no reason needed. He won't even need to worry about re-election if he can keep the state of emergency going. And you overestimate the public, politicians don't care what they think. If they did you wouldn't hear a whisper about any of the social justice stuff coming out of their mouths.

 

[zill]

While correlation isn't causation, it's too much of a coincidence where countries all around the world show the an exponential increase in deaths from COVID 19 after starting the COIVD injections.

There is a bit of talk in this clip about the vaccines and their relation to mutations.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Do you think they just throw them in a pit and burn them all? Or do you think the families might want to hold ceremonies for them?

Does that matter, we are talking a 10 percent increase in demand. Do you think a funeral home will be like “oh we have 100 funerals today if we have 110 we won’t be able to cope with demand and will need to work 24/7 now Instead of 8 hours a day”

 

[Run n Spread]

Welcome to the new age where the most horrific crime one can commit is getting sick, just go read the GD/SRP boards to see that.

Yep like creating a leper colony.
Yet at this one 99% will be asymptomatic or have mild symptoms and go about life. The paranoid hide inside.
Could be the first case in history where the lepers are healthier and more productive than mainstream

 

[M Malice]

I just ran across this form September last year re Vitamin D and it's Covid treatment possibilities >

https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/covi...tamin-d-nearly-abolishes-icu-risk-in-covid-19

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960076020302764?via=ihub

The first randomized controlled trial (RCT) of vitamin D in COVID-19 has just been published. The results are astounding: vitamin D nearly abolished the odds of requiring treatment in ICU. Although the number of deaths was too small to say for sure, vitamin D may actually abolish the risk of death from COVID-19.

The trial was conducted at the Reina Sofía University Hospital in Córdoba, Spain. The trial included 76 patients with COVID-19 pneumonia. Although this is no longer the standard of care, all patients were treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin and, when needed, a broad-spectrum antibiotic. Admission to the ICU was determined by a multidisciplinary committee consisting of intensive care specialists, pulmonologists, internal medicine specialists, and members of the ethics committee.

The patients were randomly allocated to receive or not receive vitamin D in a 2:1 ratio. This resulted in 50 patients in the vitamin D group and 26 patients in the control group.

The results are absolutely stunning. 50% of the control group (13 people) required admission to the ICU. Only 2% of those in the vitamin D group (one person) required admission to the ICU.

Expressed as relative risk, vitamin D reduced the risk of ICU admission 25-fold. Put another way, it eliminated 96% of the risk of ICU admission. Expressed as an odds ratio, which is a less intuitive concept but is often used in statistics because it gives an estimate of the effect of the treatment that would be constant across scenarios with different levels of risk, vitamin D reduced the odds of ICU admission by 98%. Either way, vitamin D practically abolished the need for ICU admission.

All of the vitamin D patients were discharged without complications. Half the control group was discharged without ICU admission. Among the other half, 11 were eventually discharged from ICU, and 2 died.

 

[bok_party]

First mover advantage?
One side called a pandemic the other side not convinced.
Now, when its earth quake or tsunami there is no need to convince people - everyone can see what it is.

This has been unconvincing, inconsistent, error riddled, intolerant of criticism and hysterical. Those who are opposed to it do not need to justify themselves, prove anything or apologise for any paranoia or other fanciful considerations. Faced with the unknown and unprecendented it is not only natural to consider all possibilities it is essential process of adaptation.

There is only one side here that is behaving inhumanely, illogically, stupidly and only one side that will need to backflip.

Difference being you can’t actually see a virus unless you have a microscope. It’s not an instantly tangible thing.

Its like when you were sick as a child and your mum didn’t believe you at first.

Does that matter, we are talking a 10 percent increase in demand. Do you think a funeral home will be like “oh we have 100 funerals today if we have 110 we won’t be able to cope with demand and will need to work 24/7 now Instead of 8 hours a day”

Yeah if people want a service and proper burial I would say that’s exactly the case. You think the workers should have to work 24/7 too? How is that beneficial to either party?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Difference being you can’t actually see a virus unless you have a microscope. It’s not an instantly tangible thing.

Its like when you were sick as a child and your mum didn’t believe you at first.

Yeah if people want a service and proper burial I would say that’s exactly the case. You think the workers should have to work 24/7 too? How is that beneficial to either party?

How does a 10 percent increase turn a 8 hour a day job to a 24/7 cannot keep up job like the media is reporting?

 

[bok_party]

How does a 10 percent increase turn a 8 hour a day job to a 24/7 cannot keep up job like the media is reporting?

I’m not sure what goes into an Indian funeral but even just speaking from a catholic viewpoint, they tend to take at minimum an hour before they have a wake afterwards. It’s also taxing on the staffs mind, emotions and body to be doing constant funerals all day. That would drain even the most soulless person.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I’m not sure what goes into an Indian funeral but even just speaking from a catholic viewpoint, they tend to take at minimum an hour before they have a wake afterwards. It’s also taxing on the staffs mind, emotions and body to be doing constant funerals all day. That would drain even the most soulless person.

You are avoiding the question mate. Answer it. How would a 10% increase in services turn a 8 hour a day job into a 24/7 a day job?

 

[zill]

The first randomized controlled trial (RCT) of vitamin D in COVID-19 has just been published. The results are astounding: vitamin D nearly abolished the odds of requiring treatment in ICU. Although the number of deaths was too small to say for sure, vitamin D may actually abolish the risk of death from COVID-19.

Body fat also effects absorption of vitamin D. If the govt really wants to intervene in peoples lives they should mandate a minimum exercise period out in the sun, instead of locking people indoors and closing gyms.

 

[No SPIN]

He didn't commit a crime against the officers, that's the point. They had to dig up an archaic law so they could send him to jail. The law is obsolete, but is kept around to be used to punish people who haven't commited a crime. Nothing will be said about it because the guy is a callous a-hole, but you should be worried that this happened.


PSO's are glorified security guards, barely fit to hand out fines for having your feet on the seats. No way they should be given authority to detain people "on suspicion they may not comply with covid regulations". And the original plan was to give that authority out randomly, and you're going to call people paranoid?


We've already seen massive abuse of emergency powers, Dickhead Dan implemented a curfew just because, no reason needed. He won't even need to worry about re-election if he can keep the state of emergency going. And you overestimate the public, politicians don't care what they think. If they did you wouldn't hear a whisper about any of the social justice stuff coming out of their mouths.

You didn’t focus on the questions I asked:
As a community should crimes against law enforcement officials be punished more severely- including finding an archaic law if needed?

In a disaster plan where you know Police resources will be inadequate then what is the alternative to using PSO’s or the Army to assist?

If the issue is big enough Voters will definitely throw out Govt - like I said with work choices.

And if as you say Politicians don’t care about the Public, then, how do explain re elections wins in WA and QLD by premiers who’s popularity correlates entirely, with how satisfied the majority of their population feel about their handling of COVID?

 

[faible]

The variants showed up between 4 to 5 weeks after the vaccine trials had commenced, Brazil was the exception as I haven't found a published date of discovery yet. I've posted the timeline before.

So no AZ vaccines administered in Brazil prior to the Manaus mutation, and if the Sinovac vaccine caused it, why isn't China completely riddled with variants? Methinks you're simply, wrong.

In what reality is this not an egregious abuse of power

I even said it was police overreach, seems like we're in agreeance.

When you watch it, how can you not think of NAZIs arresting Jewish people, or Stalin's goons

Pretty easily. She wasn't sent to a gas chamber, was she? Ridiculous comparison.

This act alone condemns all those who have in any way supported these COVID measures, case counts and death hysteria.

It really doesn't.

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How do you tackle inevitable community transmission?

If it doesn't get out of HQ, it's not inevitable.

However, contact tracing being a shit-show between states needs to be addressed. There should have been a single, national, QR code system linked back to contact tracing teams in each state. All running off systems that work, e.g. the NSW ones.

No one who ever had the Coronavac vaccine ever has travelled to Manaus to help create a variation as some of evidence based concept to disprove anything i say is a reach. Even for you

Initial sample was 9,000 healthcare workers in Sao Paolo. A city of ~ 12 million people. Located about as far from Manaus as Melbourne is from Perth. So I'd say it's the less likely version of events than mine.

My belief is the cause is person A gets virus, Person A gets virus a second time from someone who had the vaccine. Mutation occurs. A pretty basic concept id have thought myself. Im not really sure why a virus mutates when 76% of people get it for example and why thats some magic number as opposed to the correlation between a vaccine and a mutation for example.

Except there's little to no evidence of that occurring. Whilst there is decades of evidence that given large numbers of hosts, viruses will mutate of their own volition.

 

[Lethal Knights]

There’s hysteria on both sides. One side exacerbates perhaps how deadly the virus possibly is and the other side exaggerates a “great reset” etc.

Just guarantee me vaccine passes aren’t happening and a few of us might relax a little. You do see the trouble with those right?

And have you actually read the personal views of what the chair of WEF thinks about humanities future? - his views on transhumanism and the need for one world govt?

That’s out in the open and yet we are the crazy ones for challenging it.

Or perhaps you support the WEF promotion about owning nothing and being happy by the year 2030?