Could Hyde become elite?

[Kurtis G]

Well I know there were some Chris Hyde baggers over summer, saying he wont be anything more than a fringe player in a few years time and what not, but one thing we all agreed on was that he is a work horse, and this season has added some real run and class to his game. I personally noticed that he was doing this last season before the injury put him out of form a bit, but he is starting every game on the ball and has been a vital cog in our wins so far this season.

Yet, no-one outside the club seems to have really heard of him, and oppositions dont seem to be paying him respect. He will be tagged by the opposition come next year if he keeps this form up.

He is kicking goals as well, which is something we really do lack from oour midfield. Could he possibly move into the top bracket of midfielders at our club, or in the league even?

Thoughts on Hydey?

 

[Simche]

Nothing could be truer the fact remains that he really did win us the carlton game for the sheer fact that Pagan underestimated him and he was able to exploit it. I think this will happen again as with a lot of coaches he can tag and be really damaging on the rebound (was good again against essendon in the first half). He's a type of player that if left to run can be particularly damaging (particularly this season) if he runs off his opponent so keeping him under raps is probably the best for the moment. We want a situation where the opposition has to decide whether they want to match up on hyde, tivendale or someone like newman or hyde. If they man up on one the others should punish them. It's good to have a coaching situation though this is relying on the fact that all continue to develop at their current rate.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

I don't think we've seen anywhere near the best of hydey yet, I honestly think he's still down abit on confidence. He'll be a top line midfielder once everything clicks for him.

 

[jezza]

More than happy for him to keep on being underated, he's become an important part of our midfield rotation now.

Have to disagree with your comment that he's kicking goals though, my major gripe against him has been his reluctance to kick at goals, he is almost always looking to dish off (the Carlton game was the exception). I'd like to see him get a bit more confidence up when he has the ball inside 50 and start looking at kicking more goals.

 

[Captain_Brown_7]

In 1 word

"YES"

 

[IDGAF]

More than happy for him to keep on being underated, he's become an important part of our midfield rotation now.

He`s not the sort of player who you would want to have in your top three in the guts but , as the 4th or 5th stringer he is magnificent .

As you said jezza , lovin seeing him get under sides guards each week

 

[Harvey Leadpipe]

Think he looks better when the grunts are doing a good job (Tuck, Cogs, Johnno etc).

Still looks a little awkward and lost when playing against better, quicker, more skillful sides for mine.

 

[Weaver]

He`s not the sort of player who you would want to have in your top three in the guts but , as the 4th or 5th stringer he is magnificent .

As you said jezza , lovin seeing him get under sides guards each week

Some people suggested that Cogs and Tuck were quiet last week. Well when a side zeroes-in on Cogs, Tuck and Johnson that leaves Hyde, Tivendale and Polo on 4th-5th string midfielders. That lets them shine.

More contributers makes the job easier for everyone.

Ask Hyde to be the number 1 guy and we might be in bother. But as long as Tuck, Coughlan, Johnson and co take the best guys, Hyde can be handy.

 

[CoggaRules]

here is a tip, elite players pick out and hit the target that doenst stand out like a beacon, non elite players pick out the target that doesnt stand out like a beacon and hit opposition players.
Hydey should just understand his limitations and opt for the easy target that an errant delivery, will not have the ball coming back over his head and into the arms of his loose opponent that was trailing him.
Not bagging him, but his overall assesment of a given situation is sometimes clouded since he is looking for something better than the easier option and invariably ends up hitting an opponent on the chest.
There are others in the side that can produce the sublime stuff, he just needs to be the "stock bowler" type.

 

[RHAS]

Well I know there were some Chris Hyde baggers over summer, saying he wont be anything more than a fringe player in a few years time and what not, but one thing we all agreed on was that he is a work horse, and this season has added some real run and class to his game. I personally noticed that he was doing this last season before the injury put him out of form a bit, but he is starting every game on the ball and has been a vital cog in our wins so far this season.

Yet, no-one outside the club seems to have really heard of him, and oppositions dont seem to be paying him respect. He will be tagged by the opposition come next year if he keeps this form up.
He is kicking goals as well, which is something we really do lack from oour midfield. Could he possibly move into the top bracket of midfielders at our club, or in the league even?

Thoughts on Hydey?

Not sure about that Kurtis. The way we are going next year opposition coaches will sit down to decide who to tag and list will look like this:

Deledio
Brown
Coughlan
Tuck
Tivendale
Pettifer
Tambling
Polo
JON
Hyde

Too many to tag.
Braun from West Coast is a good example he gets a load of possessions because Judd, Cousins and Kerr are already tagged. So Hyde might be left in the same position and be able to be of value to the side

 

[Wrenny]

Im starting to really like the kid.. He is becoming alot more consistant this year!! And of course kicking goals which is very good. Definatly havent seen teh best of him and thats a good sign... One to watch

 

[Weaver]

here is a tip, elite players pick out and hit the target that doenst stand out like a beacon, non elite players pick out the target that doesnt stand out like a beacon and hit opposition players.
Hydey should just understand his limitations and opt for the easy target that an errant delivery, will not have the ball coming back over his head and into the arms of his loose opponent that was trailing him.
Not bagging him, but his overall assesment of a given situation is sometimes clouded since he is looking for something better than the easier option and invariably ends up hitting an opponent on the chest.
There are others in the side that can produce the sublime stuff, he just needs to be the "stock bowler" type.

Disagree 110%.

One great failing at Richmond over the past 20 years is that players have been encouraged / allowed to play within their limitations.

Kellaway (x2) and Gaspar were rubbish at ground level so were encouraged to mark instead of spoil. Gaspar couldn't kick so he had to handball to Cameron. Other players couldn't man-up so they got players to do their defending for them.

The whole Walls era was about making excuses for players short-comings and converting them into a gameplan.

Hyde came into the team as a lousy kick. His first instinct was to play within himself. Not take shots at goals, not try difficult passes, not kick long. Just pass the responsability to others. Always go short and safe. The coaches have clearly told him that that isn't good enough. He has to make himself into a proper midfielder, kick long, kick goals, hit passes. If he gets it wrong they will forgive him, but he can't not try.

Same thing is clearly happening with Foley. First games every touch was a little handball or 20m kick to someone else. He didn't want to be the guy to take responability to make the 40m pass. In recent games he has been trying to do the right thing.

Developing young players (all players) is not simply about giving them gametime, experience and getting them physically ready. It is also about making them develop the tools they need. Even if there are some hiccups early this is the perfect time to do the hard yards.

If we don't get Hyde kicking the ball, Tambling manning-up, Raines prepared to run etc now then we end up with a bunch of 24 year old one dimensional players like Naish, Tape, Daffy, Prescott, Kellaway and co in 5 years and we win nothing.

 

[CoggaRules]

One great failing at Richmond over the past 20 years is that players have been encouraged / allowed to play within their limitations.



Hyde came into the team as a lousy kick. His first instinct was to play within himself. Not take shots at goals, not try difficult passes, not kick long. Just pass the responsability to others. Always go short and safe. The coaches have clearly told him that that isn't good enough. He has to make himself into a proper midfielder, kick long, kick goals, hit passes. If he gets it wrong they will forgive him, but he can't not try.

Same thing is clearly happening with Foley. First games every touch was a little handball or 20m kick to someone else. He didn't want to be the guy to take responability to make the 40m pass. In recent games he has been trying to do the right thing.

Developing young players (all players) is not simply about giving them gametime, experience and getting them physically ready. It is also about making them develop the tools they need. Even if there are some hiccups early this is the perfect time to do the hard yards.

If we don't get Hyde kicking the ball, Tambling manning-up, Raines prepared to run etc now then we end up with a bunch of 24 year old one dimensional players like Naish, Tape, Daffy, Prescott, Kellaway and co in 5 years and we win nothing.

with all due respect Weave, but the other great failing Richmond have had forever is to dream that a player will one day do what he looks like cant do.
Hyde isnt a lousy kick, his kicks are direct, flat and to the a desired point. Doesnt usually miss what he was aiming for.
How long has he been in the system? He has a problem is assesing a given situation and delivering the killer blow.
Yeah, maybe with time this will be turned around, but having said that, it also conjures up a great Richmond failing of previous years, doesnt it?
I am not talking about a given situation when we have a man 10ms in the clear, that is circle work, its when the majority of times our players have 1/2 meter on their man and the delivery has to be put on the plate.
At this stage that is his great nemesis.

 

[IDGAF]

Disagree 110%.

One great failing at Richmond over the past 20 years is that players have been encouraged / allowed to play within their limitations.

Kellaway (x2) and Gaspar were rubbish at ground level so were encouraged to mark instead of spoil. Gaspar couldn't kick so he had to handball to Cameron. Other players couldn't man-up so they got players to do their defending for them.

The whole Walls era was about making excuses for players short-comings and converting them into a gameplan.

Hyde came into the team as a lousy kick. His first instinct was to play within himself. Not take shots at goals, not try difficult passes, not kick long. Just pass the responsability to others. Always go short and safe. The coaches have clearly told him that that isn't good enough. He has to make himself into a proper midfielder, kick long, kick goals, hit passes. If he gets it wrong they will forgive him, but he can't not try.

Same thing is clearly happening with Foley. First games every touch was a little handball or 20m kick to someone else. He didn't want to be the guy to take responability to make the 40m pass. In recent games he has been trying to do the right thing.

Developing young players (all players) is not simply about giving them gametime, experience and getting them physically ready. It is also about making them develop the tools they need. Even if there are some hiccups early this is the perfect time to do the hard yards.

If we don't get Hyde kicking the ball, Tambling manning-up, Raines prepared to run etc now then we end up with a bunch of 24 year old one dimensional players like Naish, Tape, Daffy, Prescott, Kellaway and co in 5 years and we win nothing.

Agree totally .

...and whilst we are this transitional phase , there will be a lot of clangers and missed targets . But look two or three years down the track

I for one would rather die trying , than play boring , predictable , inhibited football because our players are predictable and one dimensional .

Will say one little thing about Raines though ... i reckon the bombers worked him out , perfectly illustrated by Jobe Watsons tackle on him . Watson knew exactly what Raines was going to before Andrew even had the pill . I reckon AR came back to earth a little on Saturday night and got caught out probably 4 times that i can remember ...Why? ... he was predictable .

Don`t get me wrong i absolutely love the way Raines goes about his footy but there was a few times on Saturday night that he should have taken another option instead of his trademark barn-storming straight ahead style and dished it off to players in better positon than he was either backwards or sidewards but at the minute he has the blinkers on because so far it has worked for him .

It`s all part of his apprentiship and i`m sure TW will work on this with him . He has to make sure that his style does not become predictable .

 

[nut]

Disagree 110%.

One great failing at Richmond over the past 20 years is that players have been encouraged / allowed to play within their limitations.

Kellaway (x2) and Gaspar were rubbish at ground level so were encouraged to mark instead of spoil. Gaspar couldn't kick so he had to handball to Cameron. Other players couldn't man-up so they got players to do their defending for them.

The whole Walls era was about making excuses for players short-comings and converting them into a gameplan.

Hyde came into the team as a lousy kick. His first instinct was to play within himself. Not take shots at goals, not try difficult passes, not kick long. Just pass the responsability to others. Always go short and safe. The coaches have clearly told him that that isn't good enough. He has to make himself into a proper midfielder, kick long, kick goals, hit passes. If he gets it wrong they will forgive him, but he can't not try.

Same thing is clearly happening with Foley. First games every touch was a little handball or 20m kick to someone else. He didn't want to be the guy to take responability to make the 40m pass. In recent games he has been trying to do the right thing.

Developing young players (all players) is not simply about giving them gametime, experience and getting them physically ready. It is also about making them develop the tools they need. Even if there are some hiccups early this is the perfect time to do the hard yards.

If we don't get Hyde kicking the ball, Tambling manning-up, Raines prepared to run etc now then we end up with a bunch of 24 year old one dimensional players like Naish, Tape, Daffy, Prescott, Kellaway and co in 5 years and we win nothing.

Well said.

The developement of the list doesn't stop on draft day. We must give the players a clear direction so they continue to improve, wether that is in there own personal developement or in the teams gameplan.

 

[Thrice3]

Don`t get me wrong i absolutely love the way Raines goes about his footy but there was a few times on Saturday night that he should have taken another option instead of his trademark barn-storming straight ahead style and dished it off to players in better positon than he was either backwards or sidewards but at the minute he has the blinkers on because so far it has worked for him .

Yep spot on.

Its great watching him take on others but, that match will make him realize only do it at certain times instead of trying to do to much. Promising signs tho.

The future does look quite bright.

 

[Bojangles17]

Agree totally .

...and whilst we are this transitional phase , there will be a lot of clangers and missed targets . But look two or three years down the track

I for one would rather die trying , than play boring , predictable , inhibited football because our players are predictable and one dimensional .

Will say one little thing about Raines though ... i reckon the bombers worked him out , perfectly illustrated by Jobe Watsons tackle on him . Watson knew exactly what Raines was going to before Andrew even had the pill . I reckon AR came back to earth a little on Saturday night and got caught out probably 4 times that i can remember ...Why? ... he was predictable .

Don`t get me wrong i absolutely love the way Raines goes about his footy but there was a few times on Saturday night that he should have taken another option instead of his trademark barn-storming straight ahead style and dished it off to players in better positon than he was either backwards or sidewards but at the minute he has the blinkers on because so far it has worked for him .

It`s all part of his apprentiship and i`m sure TW will work on this with him . He has to make sure that his style does not become predictable .

not too worried bout AR, he's taken them on which is part of the mandate in getting a game with TW...sure they'll be times when he should have zigges when he zagged...still a cub with plenty of upside

 

[Bojangles17]

Well I know there were some Chris Hyde baggers over summer, saying he wont be anything more than a fringe player in a few years time and what not, but one thing we all agreed on was that he is a work horse, and this season has added some real run and class to his game. I personally noticed that he was doing this last season before the injury put him out of form a bit, but he is starting every game on the ball and has been a vital cog in our wins so far this season.

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Premiership sides are full of Hydeys over the years...never there most elite players...the second tier...reliable good players that wont allow their opponent to have an impact whilst playing their role to perfection week in week out...In reality we need another 3 or 4 of his type if we are to take it up to the top sides...

 

[cairo tiger]

this discussions centres around what gameplan we are going to play and what gameplan the opposition is going to play...if we want to go one on one, and there are times we must we must be hard at the ball and win the contested ball, the quetion is then what do we do with it when we get?
That is our falling down...we need to hit targets, our present crop need education in that and we need players who can do both, win the ball and hit targets.....Hyde is doing both....polo a revealation....

 

[wart101]

with all due respect Weave, but the other great failing Richmond have had forever is to dream that a player will one day do what he looks like cant do.
Hyde isnt a lousy kick, his kicks are direct, flat and to the a desired point. Doesnt usually miss what he was aiming for.
How long has he been in the system? He has a problem is assesing a given situation and delivering the killer blow.
Yeah, maybe with time this will be turned around, but having said that, it also conjures up a great Richmond failing of previous years, doesnt it?
I am not talking about a given situation when we have a man 10ms in the clear, that is circle work, its when the majority of times our players have 1/2 meter on their man and the delivery has to be put on the plate.
At this stage that is his great nemesis.

every one of the richmond boys has strong points and weak points, what are you trying to say that if don't get it right then don't try at all, if that is what you are trying to say then what about richo, how long has he been playing for? and in some games he can't kick a goal from 20m infront.
do we tell him to pass the ball or make sure it isn't him that kicks the goals.

anyway, i firmly beleive that if what you are saying is true (i havn't seen it ) then i think HYDE would be a better footballer to try and fail rather than give up in an area that needs improvement.

 

[CoggaRules]

every one of the richmond boys has strong points and weak points, what are you trying to say that if don't get it right then don't try at all, if that is what you are trying to say then what about richo, how long has he been playing for? and in some games he can't kick a goal from 20m infront.
do we tell him to pass the ball or make sure it isn't him that kicks the goals.

anyway, i firmly beleive that if what you are saying is true (i havn't seen it ) then i think HYDE would be a better footballer to try and fail rather than give up in an area that needs improvement.

then watch closely. Try the first quarter against the bummers on for size, you might ne surprised as to what you see when you actually watch.

 

[wart101]

then watch closely. Try the first quarter against the bummers on for size, you might ne surprised as to what you see when you actually watch.

that still doesn't change what i am saying, ffs, all the good footballers become good from taking the risks, knowing the bad points and working on them, i'm not going to say you can't do it so don't do it, it's work on it make it better not thats your limit so stop there.

your only as good as you want to be, there is always room for improvement.

sure, ok HYDE could do better, so lets let him do better

 

[CoggaRules]

that still doesn't change what i am saying, ffs, all the good footballers become good from taking the risks, knowing the bad points and working on them, i'm not going to say you can't do it so don't do it, it's work on it make it better not thats your limit so stop there.

your only as good as you want to be, there is always room for improvement.

sure, ok HYDE could do better, so lets let him do better

ok, let him do better then. I hope the bad points become good points for him.
By the way, you know who the real good one sided players are? Think about those real good ones, and think about how good they are and what position they play. We have 2 that are not real good, but they are ok in the one side, right now. Then think about all the real good one sided players, and how long it took them to be real good, they were stars from half way through their first seasons.
You might understand where I am coming from. If you can only kick with the one side, then i think pretty much 99.9% of opponents would know, its the classy ones that stand out and excute with sublime skills that are not taught.
put it this way, if i was a pro footballer and all i had to do day in day out was to go to training and on the weekend play a game, that paid me a couple of hundred gs, even 1 hundered g, i know what i would be doing in my spare time, if i didnt have a right foot and wanted to improve my game. I would be kicking a thousand footies a week with my right. I kind of think i would be pretty good at it after 5 years dont you think?

 

[Crumden]

Think he looks better when the grunts are doing a good job (Tuck, Cogs, Johnno etc).

Still looks a little awkward and lost when playing against better, quicker, more skillful sides for mine.

I agree with that.

He's ok against the poorer sides that have less midfield options. I think he can develop maybe into more than just a fringe player, more through determination than talent. But elite? Can't see it.

 

[wart101]

ok, let him do better then. I hope the bad points become good points for him.
By the way, you know who the real good one sided players are? Think about those real good ones, and think about how good they are and what position they play. We have 2 that are not real good, but they are ok in the one side, right now. Then think about all the real good one sided players, and how long it took them to be real good, they were stars from half way through their first seasons.
You might understand where I am coming from. If you can only kick with the one side, then i think pretty much 99.9% of opponents would know, its the classy ones that stand out and excute with sublime skills that are not taught.
put it this way, if i was a pro footballer and all i had to do day in day out was to go to training and on the weekend play a game, that paid me a couple of hundred gs, even 1 hundered g, i know what i would be doing in my spare time, if i didnt have a right foot and wanted to improve my game. I would be kicking a thousand footies a week with my right. I kind of think i would be pretty good at it after 5 years dont you think?

well, your not a pro footballer so you'll never know. and if your going to ask how i know, it's what you are saying that gives it away.