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Simon_Nesbit

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At what point does etiquette and the "morally right" thing to do change?

In the above video, do you think Cook was taking evasive action? There's doubt he actually made his ground from that footage, but clearly he would have if not avoiding the throw. If you were the fielding captain, would you call him back (would 190* or 0* make a difference to your decision?)

Having captained sides for quite a few years at a (very low) local level, I've encountered a few things like the above where I've done the 'right thing' instinctively. Understandably professional level is a very different entity, but this used to be the gentleman's game.

Some incidents where the "correct" decision wasn't the "right" one.

1. Almost exactly as Cook's, except batsman had clearly made his ground first, and then took evasive action. Team appealed, umpire gave out, I cancelled.

2. Following through after delivery I knocked the non-striker over, who was subsequently run-out by the length of the pitch. In my view he would have made the single had I not run through him, and I was never going to stop the single (hit to midwicket) anyway. I reversed our team's appeal and called him back.

3. Bowler in my side got hit for six, verballed, bowled a bouncer, then another, a third (no-ball), then a head-high full-toss which hit the batsman, followed by more verbal. Umpire gave him a formal warning, but I stepped in, sent him off the field and we played with 10 men. (He never played in one of my teams again after that).

4. "Gooch" style (was it Gooch?) Hit the ball, lodged in pad, he picked it up and threw it to the bowler, who appealed. Umpire asked me if I wanted the appeal to stand and I cancelled it.

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That said I bowled a guy once with a chest-high full-toss which hit the top of the bails - never called that one back.
 
I wouldn't have appealed for that one in the video, no. Good to see England getting one back, though...



Actually England are pretty shit at this whole 'etiquette' thing. Just ask how they treated New Zealand, and how the legend Dan Vettori acted graciously in return. Separates the champions from the shit blokes.
 
Can't see it with the quality of that video but there was absolutely nothing wrong with the Cook run out, he was avoiding the ball but had a brain-melt and just didn't put his bat in first.

That said I bowled a guy once with a chest-high full-toss which hit the top of the bails - never called that one back.

My mate actually got clean bowled like that but he was actually ducking the full toss, not sure what the umpire was thinking, he was short but not a dwarf lol.
 


This is the worst etiquette I have seen in cricket, disgraceful by Collingwood.
 

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Cook's run out reminds me of Misbah Ul Haq's run out vs India 5 years ago where he jumped to avoid a throw and he was run out cause of it.

Dan Vettori has to be one of (if not) the most morally awesome cricketer going around.
 
I wouldn't have appealed for that one in the video, no. Good to see England getting one back, though...



Actually England are pretty shit at this whole 'etiquette' thing. Just ask how they treated New Zealand, and how the legend Dan Vettori acted graciously in return. Separates the champions from the shit blokes.

What happened?
EDIT: should've read thread first
 


This is the worst etiquette I have seen in cricket, disgraceful by Collingwood.



Yeah that was shit sportmanship from Collingwood but NZ ended up winning anyway after getting the winning runs from an overthrow off the last ball and Mills smashing Collingwood for 6, one of the best ODI finishes I've seen with justice prevailing.



Collingwood was booed by the crowd and I think he regretted going ahead with the appeal afterwards, especially when England lost anyway.
 
I've got no problems with any of those dismissals.

1. Cook left his crease while the ball was clearly in play. The fielder is entitled to throw the stumps down.

2. Same goes for Inzamam, although it's less black and white.

3. The Elliot/Sidebottom collision was just bad luck. Elliot ran a straight line to get a run and Sidebottom ran a straight line to get the ball. Lets say Collingwood did withdraw the appeal; should NZ similarly withdraw the single they just made?

4. Collingwood was out stumped. The umpire at the bowler's end hadn't called over.
 
2. Same goes for Inzamam, although it's less black and white.

So what, the batsman doesn't have a right to protect himself? That dismissal looks horrible in terms of sportsmanship.
 
Didn't Brendon McCullum controversially run out Murali when he walked back to congratulate his partner for getting a century?

Yep.

 
So what, the batsman doesn't have a right to protect himself? That dismissal looks horrible in terms of sportsmanship.

I certainly see why you don't like it. Was Inzamam in or outside the crease when Harmison fielded it? I can't quite tell from the footage.
 

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I certainly see why you don't like it. Was Inzamam in or outside the crease when Harmison fielded it? I can't quite tell from the footage.

I think he was in. But yeah, it's hard to tell.

The others are a bit more 50/50, I don't begrudge anybody for having different opinions on them.
 
I think he was in. But yeah, it's hard to tell.

The others are a bit more 50/50, I don't begrudge anybody for having different opinions on them.

First time I watched it I though Inzamam had stepped out, in which case Harmison is entitled to have a go in my opinion. If he was in and only stepped "out" as a result of Harmison's throw then I don't really want to see batsmen dismissed that way.
 
I remember in the last ODI tri series here in Aust, an India vs SL match, Ashwin mankaded Thirimanne, India appealed and Thirimanne was given out. India withdrew the appeal and Thirimanne scored a run a ball 60 odd in a crucial partinership with Angelo Mathews.
 
India's run out of Ian Bell when he thought he had hit a 4 just before a break needs a mention too.

The decision was reversed during lunch and he came out to bat again.

Now with this one I believe Bell should've been out. It was a legit run out IMO.
 

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Now with this one I believe Bell should've been out. It was a legit run out IMO.

I mainly agree, but Irfan Pathan (I think) put on a show to make it seem like a boundary. I didn't respect that little act.

EDIT: It was Praveen Kumar.

EDIT EDIT: Watching it again, it's a really weird one. Don't know who to blame!
 
I remember when Mitch Starc came out to bat for the first time in Test cricket. He edged straight to Taylor, who shelled a sitter. He left the crease to begin to walk off, the stumps were open to throw at. I can't remember if they did or not.

Commentators said there is a rule that you can't be run out if you leave the crease due to a misconception, so Starc may technically have been safe from the run out had it come to pass. Like the famous Dean Jones run out of many a year ago.

So perhaps Bell's was a correct call? Who knows.
 
I remember when Mitch Starc came out to bat for the first time in Test cricket. He edged straight to Taylor, who shelled a sitter. He left the crease to begin to walk off, the stumps were open to throw at. I can't remember if they did or not.

Commentators said there is a rule that you can't be run out if you leave the crease due to a misconception, so Starc may technically have been safe from the run out had it come to pass. Like the famous Dean Jones run out of many a year ago.

So perhaps Bell's was a correct call? Who knows.

This is one rule I've always meant to get to the bottom of. I always assumed it was in place for the no-ball type scenario where you get dismissed, start walking off without realising it was a no-ball and then get run out. IMO that's logical. However if you start walking off assuming a ball is going to be caught that's your own fault. I can't see why you would get the benefit of the doubt having made an assumption you didn't have to make.
 
I can't recall the guys name, but a long while ago now in County cricket there was a wicket keeper who would pretend to miss the ball for byes and then run the batsmen out when they set off.

He didn't last very long. I'm not across the reasons though.
 
In the case of McCullum v Murali, Murali ran out of his crease while the ball was clearly still in play. It was in mid air being returned by a fielder from the boundary. Very legitimate dismissal, nothing sinister about it, and very stupid arrogant stuff from Murali assuming he's above the rules.
 

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