CSS2, Netscape and IE.

[Bluey]

ARRRRGGGHHH!

When I say 0px border, padding and margin and collapse space - I bloody MEAN IT! I do not mean (as Netscape seems to think) put in one or two pixels at random to make my tables look like ****!

Sick of it! Stick to W3C specs you bastards!

From now on I design web sites for MSIE only. And Mac users can f' off too.

"Oooo look at me," they say. "I'm arty, I've got a Mac!"

Garbage!

Mac users make up 2% (yes, that is 2 in every 100) of web users. But try telling that to trendoid media ****ers.

Netscape users make up about 5% of web users.

I don't class AOL users as actual web users.

I can live with annoying 7%+ of the market.

 

[jim boy]

If people are using Netscape 6.2 or earlier, then they must have no idea about the Internet. Nescape has sucked big time for a while.

I use 90% IE plus a bit of Opera and Mozilla 1.0 for certain tasks. Are you coding for Mozilla? Seeing as it is the basis of Netscape 7 and the new AOL browser.

 

[Bluey]

Nope. NS and AOL can go hang for all I care.

If they improve their handling of W3C recommended specs then, hell, I don't NEED to change anything. My sites will start to look better and better automatically.

I am considering just moving everything to XML/XSL when I master them. Seperating content from presentation is the only logical future direction.

 

[Bluey]

Speaking of Opera...

When I say "text-decoration : none" - THAT'S WHAT I MEAN!

Opera is a halfway bet - between Netscape and MSIE.

I hate to tell you but browser take up becomes designer driven after a while. If MSIE is the easiest one to design for, we'll start there and then consider looking at cross-browser compatibility.

I can design using CSS and know off the bat that MSIE will more than likely render my markup well. The others will not likely render it well, forcing workarounds and all sorts of fudges.

 

[jim boy]

Your not the only one having problems according to rtodays age http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/08/21/1029114126640.html

I think they missed the obvious though in the article

 

[M29]

AOL hahaha. I never actually cater for them. As for NS it has been **** since 4.7+. Awful. The new ver 6.2 is attrocious, the fact its written in java is scary and a reason why it takes 10 years to ****en load.

Stick with PHP and MySQL.

 

[Bluey]

Thing is, now that Opera is re-writing to support DOM things should improve. If they do it intelligently.

Their e-mail client is next to useless so hopefully that will get a facelift as well.

 

[Mr Eagle]

As much as I was once a fervent NS fan, their recent releases have absolutely gone to crap. 4.78 was their last decent version, and with the excellence of IE6 there is simply no longer any competition. I keep Opera on this computer as in some cases it does run faster that IE but for the most part I have no problem sticking with the Microsoft product.

 

[Bluey]

M29 - you still have to serve up HTML or XML to the browser. So using PHP and MySQL may be good to get a fast backend, they do little about problems with cross-browser compatibility.

 

[M29]

Originally posted by Bluey
M29 - you still have to serve up HTML or XML to the browser.

Well you dont have to. Unless you want to type echo "" and print "" every line.

 

[Bluey]

I think we are talking about different things here.

Look at the source of any page. You will see HTML, XHTML or XML. A .PHP file is just a container for the PHP code which is interpreted on the server and the presentation markup - aka HTML, XHTML or XML (plus CSS/XSL if used) - which combine to make the content and layout that the browser displays.

If you write an application in PHP the browser still needs the presentation language(s) to be able to render it all into the pretty stuff you see before you.

 

[M29]

Originally posted by Bluey
Look at the source of any page. You will see HTML, XHTML or XML. A .PHP file is just a container for the PHP code which is interpreted on the server and the presentation markup - aka HTML, XHTML or XML (plus CSS/XSL if used) - which combine to make the content and layout that the browser displays.

If you write an application in PHP the browser still needs the presentation language(s) to be able to render it all into the pretty stuff you see before you.

Ah yes, I know that. PHP dosen't always need to contain html tags.

 

[Bluey]

Yes but to present the page HTML, XML, XHTML etc are required.

 

[M29]

Originally posted by Bluey
Yes but to present the page HTML, XML, XHTML etc are required.

Hang on, you've lost me here.
If I use a php page like so:

<?
echo "Hello World";
?>

No html etc is needed.

 

[Bluey]

Yes, but what happens when you want to output more than one line? Links? Forms? Images? Menus? Tables? Colours?

 

[Bridgette]

Originally posted by Bluey
ARRRRGGGHHH!

When I say 0px border, padding and margin and collapse space - I bloody MEAN IT! I do not mean (as Netscape seems to think) put in one or two pixels at random to make my tables look like ****!

Sick of it! Stick to W3C specs you bastards!

From now on I design web sites for MSIE only. And Mac users can f' off too.

"Oooo look at me," they say. "I'm arty, I've got a Mac!"

Garbage!

Mac users make up 2% (yes, that is 2 in every 100) of web users. But try telling that to trendoid media ****ers.

Netscape users make up about 5% of web users.

I don't class AOL users as actual web users.

I can live with annoying 7%+ of the market.

Does'nt that suk, Just a reminder to ALL......

That Netscape have been in the market almost since the intro of the net.

Microsoft has only been on the scene for a fraction of that and virtually sent Netscape BROKE in 3 years.

We use what we believe is the best ALLROUND Web Builder program (have tried most) for beginners and proffessionals and we urge you to try www.namo.com.

We do not say that this program is Comparible to every taste but we beleive that by following the instructions, you can achieve whatever WebSite Format you choose.

 

[Bluey]

I use HomeSite - have done for years now.

 

[M29]

Originally posted by Bluey
Yes, but what happens when you want to output more than one line? Links? Forms? Images? Menus? Tables? Colours?

Like This:
<? php
echo "<!--
document.write(unescape("%3Cscript%3E%0D%0A%3C%21--%0D%0A%3C/script%3E"));
document.write(unescape("%3Ctable%20border%3D%220%22%20cellpadding%3D%220%22%20cellspacing%3D%220%22%20width%3D%22100%22%3E%0D%0A%20%3Ctr%3E%0D%0A%20%20%3Ctd%3EThis%20is%20a%20table%3C/td%3E%0D%0A%20%3C/tr%3E%0D%0A%20%3Ctr%3E%0D%0A%20%20%3Ctd%3ECell%201%3C/td%3E%0D%0A%20%3C/tr%3E%0D%0A%3C/table%3E"));//-->";

?>




I was originally being funny, or trying to be. Hence the comment's regarding 'heaps of echo statments.

 

[Bluey]

hehehe