Darwin - Switch from TIO to Darwin Oval

[DudleyB]

Darwin City, the NT Govt and the AFL should make this happen.

TIO is a white elephant.

Like West Lakes, Waverley and Subiaco - suburban grounds that rely on driving cars and carparks are truly relics of the 70s.

Best just to sell off TIO to an extended Golf Course housing development.

Use the cash to upgrade Darwin Oval for night games up to AFL standards .

Make it happen people! You know it makes sense. Would be a sensational addition to Darwin.

 

[schnoods]

Well it was Marrara oval, then for a short time was called football park (sigh I know), before being named TIO.

I prefer Marrara, but Darwin Oval would be much better for advertising, especially when a game at TIO is played people always follow up with a "where's that?". Been there a couple of times a few years ago for the first afl game there, plus watching the aboriginal allstars take on Carlton, it is a great ground .

 

[DudleyB]

Well it was Marrara oval, then for a short time was called football park (sigh I know), before being named TIO.

I prefer Marrara, but Darwin Oval would be much better for advertising, especially when a game at TIO is played people always follow up with a "where's that?". Been there a couple of times a few years ago for the first afl game there, plus watching the aboriginal allstars take on Carlton, it is a great ground .

Just seems like 7,000 is a disappointing crowd?
Darwin Oval would be awesome location if it was upgraded. Should be aiming for crowds around the 10,000 mark.

 

[JDC!]

Just seems like 7,000 is a disappointing crowd?
Darwin Oval would be awesome location if it was upgraded. Should be aiming for crowds around the 10,000 mark.

For what it's worth, I definitely prefer Marrara (TIO Stadium) over Darwin (Gardens) Oval. I think the crowd of 7800 or whatever it was is due to lack of interest in the two teams player. Obviously beggars can't be choosers up in Darwin but it is hard to get motivated for a Port v Western Bulldogs match every year.

 

[schnoods]

Just seems like 7,000 is a disappointing crowd?
Darwin Oval would be awesome location if it was upgraded. Should be aiming for crowds around the 10,000 mark.

I remember seeing the Indigenous allstars play Carlton around 10 years ago attract a crowd of 17 thousand people, im sure they could attract more with a bit more initiative and marketing.

 

[seanoff]

Darwin City, the NT Govt and the AFL should make this happen.

TIO is a white elephant.

Like West Lakes, Waverley and Subiaco - suburban grounds that rely on driving cars and carparks are truly relics of the 70s.

Best just to sell off TIO to an extended Golf Course housing development.

Use the cash to upgrade Darwin Oval for night games up to AFL standards .

Make it happen people! You know it makes sense. Would be a sensational addition to Darwin.

holy * a post that absolutely shows no knowledge of anything.

TIO is way closer to the bulk of the population than Gardens (Darwin oval is on the esplanade and hasn't been used since the early 60s). So gardens would be worse in this regard as many more would be forced to drive and given it's location the traffic would be worse. the outer side at Gardens would be very difficult to develop because the road is literally 10m from the boundary and the other side of the road is the botanic gardens.

TIO is part of a large sports precinct that includes league, and is also the home to, union, soccer, cricket, hockey, basketball, netball, gymnastics, volleyball, ping pong, athletics, and some others as well as the NTIS.
the Darwin Golf club, is fully 100m behind the scoreboard.

7800 as a crowd is a pretty decent chunk of the population. and lets face it, the Dogs V Port is not a huge game. just as an aside the NTFL GF which had lots of local interest drew 9200 and a few yrs before that the first Tiwi v St Mary's GF drew more than 10K.

TIO is about to get a significant addition. The Michael Long Centre. http://www.aflnt.com.au/index.php?id=314

It isn't going anywhere quickly.

 

[DudleyB]

holy **** a post that absolutely shows no knowledge of anything.

TIO is way closer to the bulk of the population than Gardens (Darwin oval is on the esplanade and hasn't been used since the early 60s). So gardens would be worse in this regard as many more would be forced to drive and given it's location the traffic would be worse. the outer side at Gardens would be very difficult to develop because the road is literally 10m from the boundary and the other side of the road is the botanic gardens.

TIO is part of a large sports precinct that includes league, and is also the home to, union, soccer, cricket, hockey, basketball, netball, gymnastics, volleyball, ping pong, athletics, and some others as well as the NTIS.
the Darwin Golf club, is fully 100m behind the scoreboard.

7800 as a crowd is a pretty decent chunk of the population. and lets face it, the Dogs V Port is not a huge game. just as an aside the NTFL GF which had lots of local interest drew 9200 and a few yrs before that the first Tiwi v St Mary's GF drew more than 10K.

TIO is about to get a significant addition. The Michael Long Centre. http://www.aflnt.com.au/index.php?id=314

It isn't going anywhere quickly.

OK I stand corrected but the same thing was said about Waverlely "its near the bulk of the population".Which of course was total bs.
I just think central is better for everyone. But if the Darwin population is going to centre around the airport (which I doubt) then you will be right.

 

[seanoff]

Go to google maps and educate yourself PLEASE.

Darwin is split by the airport. There are 70000 north of the airport and 2000 south. Guess where TIO is.

The centre of Darwin is the 11/29 runway taxiway E1/E2 intersection.

Palmerston is further 30000 and the rural about 20000. TIO is much easier and faster to get to from those areas. Less traffic lights, a direct path to thr venue on mcmillans road and then better road conditions at the venue.

The airport is even less likely than TIO to move given the DoD are unlikey to pop up to spend 10 billion to move it.

You bet you i am ******* right. i have done more work than the ABS on the demographics of Darwin and its effect.

 

[DudleyB]

Go to google maps and educate yourself PLEASE.

Darwin is split by the airport. There are 70000 north of the airport and 2000 south. Guess where TIO is.

The centre of Darwin is the 11/29 runway taxiway E1/E2 intersection.

Palmerston is further 30000 and the rural about 20000. TIO is much easier and faster to get to from those areas. Less traffic lights, a direct path to thr venue on mcmillans road and then better road conditions at the venue.

The airport is even less likely than TIO to move given the DoD are unlikey to pop up to spend 10 billion to move it.

You bet you i am ******* right. i have done more work than the ABS on the demographics of Darwin and its effect.

Im not convinced - I have seen the same 'demographic' arguments used time and time again and the end result is sh*t suburban stadiums that most people end up hating.

You do it once you do it central you do it properly.
You grab some dinner - catch a game - and then you walk to the pub for a beer at after the match.
Zero atmosphere or community spirit in this drive in approach. Total crap.

 

[seanoff]

seriously arguing with me about this is like me arguing your shoe size. but anyway

time for a little education. with piccies to make it easy.
this is an overview of Darwin, its a unique layout. if you look closely, you'll see a ******* huge military airport in the middle complete with reinforced bunkers for fighters, bomber parking, transport aircraft parking, helicopter parking and on the north east side ammo dumps. etc



next is the southern side of the airport. this is all of it out to palmerston. anything past Bayview on the south side between the Stuart Highway and Tiger Brennan is industrial. no people live there. AND if you look at the suburb called the Narrows. forget it. it is being bulldozed (seriously) to make way for more airforce stuff. http://www.saveeaton.com/houses-5-and-6-3990-more-to-go.html



next the north side of the airport. it's bigger. by a large margin. not just a little bit but several X the size. the people from the narrows are moving out to a suburb not built on this shot but is beside the unfinished Lyons.




next are two images, the same scale of a google maps window showing the proximity of both places to the population. of the approx 90000 in Darwin proper, 85000 would be north of Gardens and 70000 of those north of the airport.
Gardens


TIO


i suppose you could walk to the Casino for a drink after a game at Gardens but the dress regs are a bit above what people wear to the footy here. shorts, thongs and a singlet don't get you in even here. and it's too warm to go in jeans, a decent shirt and shoes. the next option after the casino is mitchell st in the city. a 3k walk. nope, not happening. At least TIO is close to more peoples homes.

the only place that would fit a quick meal before and a drink after is the old Darwin oval but that is about as far from everyone as you can get without having it in the harbour. would also require the war memorial to be demolished, the Esplanade re-routed and a massive net to stop balls firing into the harbour every 10 secs.

this split has had other effects. There is no shopping to speak of in the darwin CBD, it's all in the northern suburbs. all the shops you know are in Casuarina Square which is getting another significant extension or 3 (yes 3 extensions) over the next 3 years. Bunnings, JB, the Homemaker Village etc are all north of the airport for a reason. THATS WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE.

 

[Rob]

OK I stand corrected but the same thing was said about Waverlely "its near the bulk of the population".Which of course was total bs.
I just think central is better for everyone. But if the Darwin population is going to centre around the airport (which I doubt) then you will be right.

Central is good when you've got a big city with a centralised road and public transport system. It means things like carparks and big train stations are already there, and existing freeways and train lines can take people there.

Darwin doesn't have a centralised road and transport system because it isn't even close to being big enough (Canberra, which is about 4 times the size, doesn't really have one either). So what's the point of a centrally based stadium? Everyone gets everywhere by car, you may as well build it where you can accommodate the people.

 

[DudleyB]

Fair enough - it just seems a worry that Darwin is sprawling outwards and becoming a spread out bunch of suburbs with carparks and american shopping malls and losing its soul.

 

[nickztaa]

Sad to admit I live in the NT, and I know for a fact NT has a bigger Bulldog fanbase then Victoria itself. Don't get me wrong anybody I lived in Victoria too.
3/4 Territorians follow the Bulldogs.

 

[JDC!]

Sad to admit I live in the NT, and I know for a fact NT has a bigger Bulldog fanbase then Victoria itself. Don't get me wrong anybody I lived in Victoria too.
3/4 Territorians follow the Bulldogs.

I get the point you're trying to make but that's just incorrect.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Darwin City, the NT Govt and the AFL should make this happen.

TIO is a white elephant.

Like West Lakes, Waverley and Subiaco - suburban grounds that rely on driving cars and carparks are truly relics of the 70s.

Best just to sell off TIO to an extended Golf Course housing development.

Use the cash to upgrade Darwin Oval for night games up to AFL standards .

Make it happen people! You know it makes sense. Would be a sensational addition to Darwin.

I know it would be batshit crazy to invest in it.

Just like I know it's a white elephant regardless of location and facilities. If the MCG was there, it would be as well. It host one AFL game per season. It seems to cater to its (really limited) purpose.

I mean, why would you spend money on a new ground when the government cannot afford it.

It's not driving away crowds and I think people expect the facilities to be as they are. The AFL is mostly about crowd maximisation, but these token games in Darwin, Cairns, and maybe even Canberra are about gaining and maintaining interest in Aussie Rules. Unless they were getting 2,000 every single time, the number of people there is almost entirely irrelevant.


A crowd of 7,500 in a town of 130,000 isn't woeful, either. A city the size of Adelaide was getting that to the average A-League games. So factor in how unfashionable both clubs are, and how they'll travel this season (bottom six, definitely bottom ten) and it's far from a cause for concern.

 

[nickztaa]

I get the point you're trying to make but that's just incorrect.

Not really, you can say 95% of anyone in NT support Dogs, pies, blues, port & hawks.
Atleast a good 70% being dogs

 

[JDC!]

Not really, you can say 95% of anyone in NT support Dogs, pies, blues, port & hawks.
Atleast a good 70% being dogs

The majority of people I associate with support Essendon, Hawthorn and Carlton. I barely know anyone that supports Western Bulldogs, maybe a few kids.

 

[nickztaa]

The majority of people I associate with support Essendon, Hawthorn and Carlton. I barely know anyone that supports Western Bulldogs, maybe a few kids.

Are you a palmo boy then? Oi by the way shout me a ticket to round 17 brions-demons

 

[JDC!]

Are you a palmo boy then? Oi by the way shout me a ticket to round 17 brions-demons

Northern Suburbs... got no ticket.

 

[nickztaa]

Northern Suburbs... got no ticket.

Jingili you

 

[DardySingh360]

Just going by eye, it looked like the crowd was understated on Saturday, I swear I've seen crowds on 8,000 there that looks much smaller

 

[DudleyB]

Fair enough guys

Probably not really worth thinking about a new stadium unless Darwin had a population of 500,000.

Maybe in 20 years we can look at a new whizz bang stadium near the centre of town.

 

[seanoff]

Fair enough guys

Probably not really worth thinking about a new stadium unless Darwin had a population of 500,000.

Maybe in 20 years we can look at a new whizz bang stadium near the centre of town.

Look above.

The Darwin CBD is on a peninsular and that bit is pretty full.

Next is the airport. Nothing can be built under the flight path becasue military jets are LOUD. REALLY LOUD. EAR SHATTERINGLY LOUD. In fact the JSFs are even louder than the current ones by a huge margin. Type jsf noise into google.

Then the suburbs.

Even if the DoD removed the airport (which i say again is not moving). TIO would still be much closer to population than almost any other position.

If you wanted to put TIO in prime position it would be in casuarina village or casuarina pool. This is slightly more likely than moving the airport but we are talking vanishingly remote. This would put it where, honestly, most of Darwin shops and in the wet, hangs out because for 8 months a year the climate is brutal, and moving around outside when you dont have to is not the done thing.

Seriously give up.

 

[Tassieboy]

Not really, you can say 95% of anyone in NT support Dogs, pies, blues, port & hawks.
Atleast a good 70% being dogs

What, less than 5% support Essendon? Doubt it.

 

[nickztaa]

What, less than 5% support Essendon? Doubt it.

Essendon only just fit in the top 8 followed teams here..