Deledio

[bigrob]

Tuck's the clearance king though, we'd be nowhere without him in the guts.

As opposed to where you actually are....

 

[Thecho]

all fair comments. He was disgraceful last night and got smashed!!

It wasn't lack of effort imo, nearly all of his 12 possies were contested, he just looks lost against picken who has the speed to go with him for the most part. great terrier like player

Its a mental thing and not that he doesnt work hard enough imho, last season he dealt with taggers with ease, this season he just seems like he cant get away...How can a player not be able to deal with taggers after doing it the year before? is this bc the team is performing so poorly? support from teamates helps a bit. Is he guilty of not working hard enough over preseason and now doesnt have the fitness?

Im stumped, but i reiterate he never had a problem last season, why now?

Finally, someone who watches Deledio closely. He definitely works hard, lets not forget that Picken is fit too. Thats why he is tagging.

Looked at the champion data stats and Deledio had 13 disposals with 9 contested. What this shows is that he struggled to get away from Picken. This is where i think deledio must improve (obviously but here me out). When Symonds got a free in the middle for a tackle (I thought Deledio tackled him) Deledio made three or four runs on either side to get the handball, however he was closely marked and didn't get the pass he wanted. What Deledio should be doing is pushing off his tagger. Get that extra yard or two, makes the world of difference. I've seen Ablett do this on numerous occasions.

I think with a few little tricks, keeping him in the middle and with support from team mates he will be better able to beat Pciken and others in the future.

 

[Tigerballs]

Finally, someone who watches Deledio closely. He definitely works hard, lets not forget that Picken is fit too. Thats why he is tagging.

Looked at the champion data stats and Deledio had 13 disposals with 9 contested. What this shows is that he struggled to get away from Picken. This is where i think deledio must improve (obviously but here me out). When Symonds got a free in the middle for a tackle (I thought Deledio tackled him) Deledio made three or four runs on either side to get the handball, however he was closely marked and didn't get the pass he wanted. What Deledio should be doing is pushing off his tagger. Get that extra yard or two, makes the world of difference. I've seen Ablett do this on numerous occasions.

I think with a few little tricks, keeping him in the middle and with support from team mates he will be better able to beat Pciken and others in the future.

Has anyone noticed the support Ablett gets from his team mates when he has a heavy tag? They block and shepherd for him at stoppages and they give whoever is tagging him hell at every opportunity. I did not see a Richmond player block or shepherd for Lids once on Friday night. His team mates need to stand up for him a lot more. If you have a player who has the speed and fitness to run with you all night you need the support from your team mates to be able to get away from him.

 

[Tigersman]

He was handled badly by the coaching staff against the dogs.

If he couldnt shake Picken through the middle he wasnt going to lose him across half back and in fact he ended up playing a lot of time very deep and was out of the play completely. A total win for Eade. The one place he could of been dangerous was taking Picken forward and using his strength overhead. If he isnt smart enough to assess his opponent and move himself accordingly then the coaching staff should be.

He needs to take a look at Cousins gut running to break Cross at times during the same game and take note.

It wouldnt hurt to see a bit more protection being given by team mates.

I couldnt care less about stats comparing Deledio to anyone else favourably. Its easy to pick up 25+ stats as a link up type player and make your figures look good. Its about impact on the game.

Those that are running the "He is still developing" line need to realize Deledio will have played more than 100 games by the end of the year. He is closer to half way through his career than the beginning. He has all the skills and the body to get the job done. Its time he stamped his mark on this side.

He isnt Foley, he isnt Jackson, he isnt White. He is the Gun of our side. More is expected of him. That said I wouldnt say he has been bad. Maybe 7 out of 10.

I compare him to Cooney who was being asked the same questions at the same stage of his career. Last year Cooney took the next step. I hope Deledio has a similar breakout period over the next 18 months.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Lids has hit a mental hurdle against Picken, strange but true. He has had the better of higher profile taggers (Ling and Kornes) in the past. I think it's a case of thinking "I should be able to beat this guy" and then panicking when things don't happen.

It was obvious in the first quarter when Lids dropped two simple marks in the forward half on the lead, that he was expecting the body contact... and there was none. From that time on he lost his confidence and dropped his bundle. At 22, he has plenty of time to learn how to handle this.

You can't criticise his effort... just before quarter time, he was smashed jumping blindly into a marking contest against much bigger bodies with no regard for his own safety. He was limping off the ground gasping for breath as the siren went... with Hargreaves bumping him the whole way.

There was a ball-up in our fwd pocket late in the first qtr, when Cousins made a direct B-line for Picken to get Lids free at the stoppage. This was the kind of example the others should be following, not just for Lids, but for each other full-stop.

It was sad to see not a single player run to Cousins after he centered a ball to the goal square for a late goal to Morton or Riewoldt in that first quarter.

 

[fanatigger]

lets be honest people the guy is frikkin SOFT. Craps himself in the coal face cant take a hit. you watch him when in the midfield his disposal can be terrible as he is too worried about the oncoming hit. he is a baby faced pansy crying out for his mamma.

 

[Tigersman]

lets be honest people the guy is frikkin SOFT. Craps himself in the coal face cant take a hit. you watch him when in the midfield his disposal can be terrible as he is too worried about the oncoming hit. he is a baby faced pansy crying out for his mamma.

Garbage.

 

[fanatigger]

Ssssssssssssoooooooooooooooooooooofffffffffffffttttttttt!

 

[banana_bus]

Garbage.

Solid rebuttal, but I think the other bloke beat you in that thrilling debate.

I dont think theres anyone on here who truly believes that Lids isnt soft.

The only thing that at times makes me think otherwise is his ability to play through injuries, like the one he copped against Freo last year (knee) and a couple of years back when he did his knee again and only missed a week. I can commend him on that. His endeavour to get out on the field is outstanding. His endeavour whilst on the field though leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[Tigersman]

Didn't think it warranted much more.

I don't think Deledio is soft.

He seems to back into marking contests, run with the flight and so on, when required. I do think he lacks that mongrel that someone like Hodge has. I think it is a weakness the side as a whole suffers from.

Its not that he is scared to put himself on the line when needed, its more that he doesn't look to be aggressively physical. He doesn't have that edge.

I cant think of anyone at Richmond who plays in the mould of Rooke or Hodge or that type.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

It's more a combination lack of interest and being used too much as a jack-of-all-trades utility than being soft. Soft players rarely win the Army award.
He'll never learn to consistantly shake a tag if the coach keeps moving him every time things get tough.

 

[krustyman]

its about time the coach starts to get other players to block the tag or give them a daniel kerr special instead of letting deledio get tagged out of the game. jacko, tuck or tambling need to use there size to give them one instead of looking the other way. maybe the coach can take advantage of a loose cannon like mcguane and harness his behaviour to do the job as a hitman.

 

[Simche]

Thought his effort against the Bulldogs was pathetic. It wasn't helped by the coaching staff trying to hide him. They played right into the Bulldogs hands where they would either drag him to the back pocket and right out of the play, or play someone bigger and stronger than him when he went forward. Should have been left in the middle and told that he'd spend a week at Coburg if his effort didn't improve.

I think with Deledio it is either one of two things:
The first is whether he actually wants it badly enough. He shows a general ambivalence when the chips are down and rarely has a real intensity about him. He strikes me as someone who needs a coach like Malcom Blight who will shake, rattle and roll him to get the talent out. Even if he ends up hating said coach.
The second is whether or not our fitness staff are actually doing their jobs properly. If he hasn't built up a tank to be able to out run a tagger in his fifth year it is unlikely they're working him hard enough off the track.

I'd hate to see his talent being wasted on a flank and I have this terrible fear that instead of a Judd like player he will turn into a Travis Johnstone like runner.

 

[Vitalogy]

Play him on the half back next year, can replace joel bowden.

 

[Tiger08]

We not going to be any good while pure insiders like Shane Tuck and Daniel Jackson (or half back softies like Bowden) are the guys in the team getting 30+ touches. They just don't do enough damage. We need to get the ball in Lids, Cotch and Cousins' hands that many times. Cuz seems to do it by himself (21 possies in 55% game time) through pure gut running. Take a lesson from the best Lids, work your arse in preseason and see if Picken is right with you after an 80m gut run, not just a 20m sprint.

 

[RichosGuns]

Play him on the half back next year, can replace joel bowden.

Hopefully Tambling has taken that role. Has looked very promosing in the games he has played back there

 

[coke_zero]

Hopefully Tambling has taken that role. Has looked very promosing in the games he has played back there

Tambling should play there next week as McMahon should be dropped

 

[emperor]

Throwing him into the forward line to "get into the game" isn't the answer imo.

Needs more assistance from his team mates to get him into the game as much as he needs to push himself a little more. Doesn't seem to get much protection when heavily tagged and players of his ilk flourish around other quality players. At the moment we just aren't quality and our selfishness as a team makes it tough for any player to make his mark, especially when faced with the dogged determination that Picken displayed in his tagging role.

Until this selfish and weak-willed team culture is addressed it is pointless to address the faults and failings of individuals. Every player is guilty in this regard.

 

[fearnofoe12]

Solid rebuttal, but I think the other bloke beat you in that thrilling debate.

I dont think theres anyone on here who truly believes that Lids isnt soft.

The only thing that at times makes me think otherwise is his ability to play through injuries, like the one he copped against Freo last year (knee) and a couple of years back when he did his knee again and only missed a week. I can commend him on that. His endeavour to get out on the field is outstanding. His endeavour whilst on the field though leaves a lot to be desired.

He won the army award like two years ago. Isn't that the award for the most hard at the ball unnafraid of big hits. That's gotta count for something.
However I think Lids just doesn't care enough anymore. It seems as if he knows Richmond suck and the longer he's there for, the more he's ruining his career. I keep in contact with one of my high school teachers who know's a few people involved in the AFL. I have no idea how he hears this stuff, but the guys not a lier. He told me that Lids told a few of his mates that he knew any other team would "snap him up". u know how it goes: friends tell friend, who tell friends, who tell friends, who tell a journo.
I love Lids. He's always been my favourite player. But it hurts when such a young talent, who has the potential to be one of the greatest, just feels like he's too good for the team.

 

[fearnofoe12]

its about time the coach starts to get other players to block the tag or give them a daniel kerr special instead of letting deledio get tagged out of the game. jacko, tuck or tambling need to use there size to give them one instead of looking the other way. maybe the coach can take advantage of a loose cannon like mcguane and harness his behaviour to do the job as a hitman.

That is so true. We're begging for class in the midfield and Lids is being tagged out of the play, Where is his backup.

 

[Tigersman]

Throwing him into the forward line to "get into the game" isn't the answer imo.

Needs more assistance from his team mates to get him into the game as much as he needs to push himself a little more. Doesn't seem to get much protection when heavily tagged and players of his ilk flourish around other quality players. At the moment we just aren't quality and our selfishness as a team makes it tough for any player to make his mark, especially when faced with the dogged determination that Picken displayed in his tagging role.

Until this selfish and weak-willed team culture is addressed it is pointless to address the faults and failings of individuals. Every player is guilty in this regard.

Im not talking about playing him as a starting forward. I am talking about starting him through the middle, running his tag around pushing forward. Its better than sitting deep in defence as he did at times against the dogs.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Unfortunately this kid has all the attributes but one, which also happens to be the most important, " Football Knowledge ", and I say that with the greatest of respect.
Plenty, hundreds of kids, dominate in junior football and impress the unknowledgable with their attributes, ie running ability, pace, leading, marking, kicking, handballing etc. but the old age problem remains if you don't know where to go to get the aggot how can you get it ?
When games are in the balance those that know actually how to play, and understand the game stand up and get plenty of the footy, Selwood, Ablett, Black, Hodge, Judd and for us the two best are Cousins and Cocthin, and are able to swing the game into their sides advantage.
The solution is generally to play players with all the atheltic attributes behind the footy, off half back and let them see how the game pans out for a season or two constantly, not half a game, constantly.
Which is why we need to play Tambling and Lids off a half back flank and should continue to develop future mids who lack fooball nouse off half back.
The same thing happens in all grades of footy and ends up turning those with natural attributes, yet limited knowledge of the game, into front runners who lack accountability.
I must say he did suck me in somewhat and I thought he actually read the game OK, but has shown recently he is a fair way off the mark, and probably due to our lack of mids has been forced to play midfield at the detriment of his developement.

 

[richmondkickass2]

We need to rest Deledio.

 

[cotchin 09]

Unfortunately this kid has all the attributes but one, which also happens to be the most important, " Football Knowledge ", and I say that with the greatest of respect.
Plenty, hundreds of kids, dominate in junior football and impress the unknowledgable with their attributes, ie running ability, pace, leading, marking, kicking, handballing etc. but the old age problem remains if you don't know where to go to get the aggot how can you get it ?
When games are in the balance those that know actually how to play, and understand the game stand up and get plenty of the footy, Selwood, Ablett, Black, Hodge, Judd and for us the two best are Cousins and Cocthin, and are able to swing the game into their sides advantage.
The solution is generally to play players with all the atheltic attributes behind the footy, off half back and let them see how the game pans out for a season or two constantly, not half a game, constantly.
Which is why we need to play Tambling and Lids off a half back flank and should continue to develop future mids who lack fooball nouse off half back.
The same thing happens in all grades of footy and ends up turning those with natural attributes, yet limited knowledge of the game, into front runners who lack accountability.
I must say he did suck me in somewhat and I thought he actually read the game OK, but has shown recently he is a fair way off the mark, and probably due to our lack of mids has been forced to play midfield at the detriment of his developement.

Completely disagree with you mate. You say that deledio doesn't stand up when needed, he won us the game last week and has done it on occassions before as well. Also I don't think at all he lacks in footballing knowledge, but what he does lack is the fitness needed to break these tags.

The other thing that is against him at the moment is that he is playing in a side that isn't protecting him enough. Look at Ablett for example. Sure he goes in and wins his fair share of contested possesions, but he also recieves handballs from teammates and recieves blocks around stoppages etc. This is what has lifted him from being a good player to elite.

Finally i think that for deledio to develop into the player that everyone knows he can be, he needs to play in the midfield consistently. He has got to learn how to break a tag and how to impose himself on the game for longer periods. At the moment he is a step away from being in the Judd category, he has all the attributes and hopefully in the 2nd half of the season he can lift to this level.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Completely disagree with you mate. You say that deledio doesn't stand up when needed, he won us the game last week and has done it on occassions before as well. Also I don't think at all he lacks in footballing knowledge, but what he does lack is the fitness needed to break these tags.

The other thing that is against him at the moment is that he is playing in a side that isn't protecting him enough. Look at Ablett for example. Sure he goes in and wins his fair share of contested possesions, but he also recieves handballs from teammates and recieves blocks around stoppages etc. This is what has lifted him from being a good player to elite.

Finally i think that for deledio to develop into the player that everyone knows he can be, he needs to play in the midfield consistently. He has got to learn how to break a tag and how to impose himself on the game for longer periods. At the moment he is a step away from being in the Judd category, he has all the attributes and hopefully in the 2nd half of the season he can lift to this level.

Well we will have to agree to disagree, but the for mine Cousins and Cotchin where the ones who imposed themselves when the game was in the balance last week.
Compare Cousins and Lids when they don't have the ball and thats what makes the difference and why Cousins can still get a kick when tagged.
As for Ablett blind freddie knew he was going to be elite and I'll give you an inside tip so will Rich, did you notice his efforts and ability to read the state of play when the game was in balance against Carlton in the last quarter, although they didn't win he was very good.
He is a mile away from Judd, yes has the attributes but simply can't break a tag, ie work hard enough when not in the vacinity of the footy, in saying that Cousins hopefully will be the best thing for his football, and despite also being tagged has been more damaging in the games he has played despite being out of the game for 18 months, injuries, physical attributes and age.