Society/Culture Delivery apps - the inner workings

[rumply]

No doubt this kind of thing extends beyond just Door Dash or whatever, any sort of service that offers priority delivery would be in on it in some way you'd think. I rarely use these services as I have trust issues with people handling my food so it's just another reason to steer clear for me.

 

[kickazz]

Read Technofuedalism by Yanis Varoufakis.

Basically says capitalism is over, these tech platforms are going to become fiefs that have us all over a barrel with their rent seeking aAll the while the rest of us "cloud serfs" volunteer our data and identities to enhance the value of their fief without us getting compensated for it.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Unfettered, unregulated capitalism for the win!

 

[JHF1870]

Read Technofuedalism by Yanis Varoufakis.

Basically says capitalism is over, these tech platforms are going to become fiefs that have us all over a barrel with their rent seeking aAll the while the rest of us "cloud serfs" volunteer our data and identities to enhance the value of their fief without us getting compensated for it.

I've never accepted delivery apps, uber etc and never will. i'm not surprised by this at all.

I don't think people realize how much these industry heads devalue humans and how that plays out at higher levels

 

[Seeds]

I've never accepted delivery apps, uber etc and never will. i'm not surprised by this at all.

I don't think people realize how much these industry heads devalue humans and how that plays out at higher levels

How is improving the cost of living, enabling people with time/mobility problems easy access to goods, providing avenues to a wider range of products to better meet people needs and opening up markets to foreign and small player competition that reduces the monopoly power and profiteering of big retailers bad for humans?

I mean yes there are issues with worker rights not being properly enforced initially cos government failed to keep up with regulating new business models but outside that (which should only be a temporary feature) this is a massive win for humans is it not?

 

[Seeds]

Unfettered, unregulated capitalism for the win!

Why do you think this should be unregulated? You can regulate new technologies. Governments have just taken their time getting round to it.

 

[JHF1870]

How is improving the cost of living, enabling people with time/mobility problems easy access to goods, providing avenues to a wider range of products to better meet people needs and opening up markets to foreign and small player competition that reduces the monopoly power and profiteering of big retailers bad for humans?

I mean yes there are issues with worker rights not being properly enforced initially cos government failed to keep up with regulating new business models but outside that (which should only be a temporary feature) this is a massive win for humans is it not?

Not the way they operate. Ive read enough about the way they do business to give them my time.

 

[QuietB]

This does not even comment on the fact that the tech companies take something like 30% of the retail price.

Walk and pick it up.

 

[Seeds]

Not the way they operate. Ive read enough about the way they do business to give them my time.

So you are going to just ignore the advantages Ive outlined? The operational issues are due to failure of government to regulate or punish infractions. That will be fixed.

 

[JHF1870]

So you are going to just ignore the advantages Ive outlined?

Im not ignoring the exploitation.

 

[Seeds]

This does not even comment on the fact that the tech companies take something like 30% of the retail price.

Walk and pick it up.

So why do people but from them if not for the fact they have lowest price?

 

[Seeds]

Im not ignoring the exploitation.

Yes but you are ignoring the advantages leading to a false conclusion in regards to the impact on humanity.


You cant focus on one element and ignore the others.

 

[QuietB]

So why do people but from them if not for the fact they have lowest price?

Amazon have contracts with their suppliers that they are not allowed to sell their product cheaper anywhere else. I assume food operates the same way.

People are just lazy - and they would no clue how it operates. 90% of people would believe that the delivery fee is the only fee and the supplier gets the full retail price.

 

[JHF1870]

Yes but you are ignoring the advantages leading to a false conclusion in regards to the impact on humanity.


You cant focus on one element and ignore the others.

Absolutely I can. Do you accept slave labour then? Provide an honest delivery service and I'll respect it.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

lol we're back doing this thing where we pretend services that have existed for near on 100 years were invented by tech companies in the early 2010s.

Can you imagine getting a pizza delivered before we had UberEats? Far out!

 

[RedOrWhite]

Amazon have contracts with their suppliers that they are not allowed to sell their product cheaper anywhere else. I assume food operates the same way.

People are just lazy - and they would no clue how it operates. 90% of people would believe that the delivery fee is the only fee and the supplier gets the full retail price.

There's also the techno feudalist angle, that they're getting too much of our data which is its own form of exploitation and rent extraction. It's the main reason I don't use Amazon and have increasingly moved away from Google, Uber services etc. And I haven't seen much action from any Western country in terms of legislation on this, or workers pay and conditions. Labor has taken some steps on the latter, but all that happens is that Ubers' fees and restaurant prices go up further to compensate.

The bolded is spot on too. So in exchange for any extra convenience, it costs more on top of the delivery fee for the consumer anyway. I save between $5 to $15 every time I order on the phone and pick up. With at most a 5-minute drive or walk in some cases.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Why do you think this should be unregulated? You can regulate new technologies. Governments have just taken their time getting round to it.

I don't, it was sarcasm.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

lol we're back doing this thing where we pretend services that have existed for near on 100 years were invented by tech companies in the early 2010s.

Can you imagine getting a pizza delivered before we had UberEats? Far out!

The only time I rely on home delivery is when I'm drunk. Generally means I can pick up the food in 15 minutes and it's piping hot instead of wait an hour and it's gone tepid

 

[Kram]

Half the fun of take away food is the drunken walk to go pick it up.

 

[Seeds]

I don't, it was sarcasm.

But failure to regulate isnt a problem with the firms. Its a problem of government. Should we not then be blaiming the government and not the tech?

 

[Seeds]

The only time I rely on home delivery is when I'm drunk. Generally means I can pick up the food in 15 minutes and it's piping hot instead of wait an hour and it's gone tepid

The manipulative monopolies like harvey norman and myers who have rorted consumers for half a century must love you. Basically an advertisement for them.

 

[Seeds]

Absolutely I can. Do you accept slave labour then? Provide an honest delivery service and I'll respect it.

No you cant if you want to have a legitimate view. Excluding elements cos they dont fit a narrative makes your view false and misinformation. Its very Trumpian of you.

Nope dont accept slave labor. None of this is slave labor. Its labour of choice. Would i like the labor rights improved? Absolutely and it will happen once governments get around to it. But dont call people working in poor conditions and extremely long hours in amazon factories slave labor. Thats false and counterproductive to fixing the problem of actual slave labor on this planet. By taking the term and watering it down results in taking attention off ending actual real slave labour.

 

[thistimeforsure]

Let me get this right ….so this guy is saying that the rich are exploiting the poor ?

My goodness

 

[JHF1870]

No you cant if you want to have a legitimate view. Excluding elements cos they dont fit a narrative makes your view false and misinformation. Its very Trumpian of you.

Nope dont accept slave labor. None of this is slave labor. Its labour of choice. Would i like the labor rights improved? Absolutely and it will happen once governments get around to it. But dont call people working in poor conditions and extremely long hours in amazon factories slave labor. Thats false and counterproductive to fixing the problem of actual slave labor on this planet. By taking the term and watering it down results in taking attention off ending actual real slave labour.

if youre going to insult me, we're done. I stand by what I said.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

But failure to regulate isnt a problem with the firms. Its a problem of government. Should we not then be blaiming the government and not the tech?

Sure, but it's a fundamental problem of the structure of neo-liberal economics. Plus these firms are manipulating government policy through financial backing/political pressure etc so it's not a black and white situation.