Environment DMT

[DivideandMultiply]

Am I wrong?

I'm not seeing any financial conspiracy, just over-eager governments looking to stamp out drug use.

Yes you are wrong.

The information I have already provided is correct.

As for Australia, I don't know of any major financial "conspiracy", only governments at both state and federal level bowing to international pressure, or borrowed public scare campaigns.

In the US, the main drivers for prohibition are well illustrated. Fines and taxation revenue were a partial driver early on, but vested interest was almost solely responsible for the moral panic of the 30's and for lobbying government, all of which led to outright prohibition (against the wishes of both universities, hospitals and the AMA). The main competitor for wood pulp in the paper industry was hemp stem. The creator of the media moral panic was Hearst's media empire, where Hearst himself was a major player in the wood pulp and forestry industry. Likewise, the DuPont's are credited with heavily lobbying in favor of prohibition as they struggled to gain and maintain market share as a provider of petrochemical synthetics in competition with the hemp products.

It is and always will be, as with most other things, about money.

In spite of overwhelming evidence as to the deleterious effects of the drug war and prohibition, likewise the growing status of cannabis as a near wonder plant, the financial incentive to maintain prohibition has been to strong.

 

[BALKAN]

This thread has ruined BF for me

 

[ash_1050]

Terrible post by Nicky. As someone who has experimented with a range of psychedelic drugs I would implore people to reasearch such powerful and mind altering substances before deciding to experience them first hand. Psychedelic's aren't like ecstasy or ketamine, these are drugs which alter your entire perception and mental state which can have short or long term benifits or problems.

Read up on peoples experiences, both good and bad and take the time to learn about what will happen throughout a trip, when to expect it and what to expect afterwards. If you've done all of this and are comfortable with your decision to try LSD, Magic Mushrooms, DMT or any other psychedelic then ensure you do so with someone who has done it before and can act as a 'trip setter' for your trip, namely to guide you through it and act as a point of reason if things start to spiral in a negative way. Do it in a comfortable place where you know you will not be disturbed by anyone unexpected and set the mood with some music, visuals, blankets and whatever else you feel would add to the exeprience.

Give yourself every opportunity to make the experience a positive one and dont, as Nicky and others have suggested or implied, simply try it because it's there. It can go wrong very quickly and it can potentially have long term consequences. On the flipside, if done correctly, it can also be one of the best experiences you will ever experience in life.

 

[little graham]

As for Australia, I don't know of any major financial "conspiracy", only governments at both state and federal level bowing to international pressure, or borrowed public scare campaigns.

People don't like to except it, but we've always been a venture where the number 1 priority of administrations has been to commercial interests. this colony nearly starved because of the Dutch east indies company controlled what ships could supply Phillip. Cooks exploration and the subsequent colony were backed by financial interests looking to fill the void the loss of the American war of independence created.

We've always done the same thing. Nothings changed. Its ludicrous we still drain the River Murray to grow cotton.

 

[pekay-norwest]

Have you done ayahuasca? I have a good friend who lives in Chile and runs weekly ceremonies and have had very long conversations with her about it. Also have heard that people with gigantic egos are probably not ready to try ayahuasca. Food for thought.

The last paragraph in your posts makes it seem you have a very big chip on your shoulder.

Were these conversations over the phone, email, or out of body experience?

Couldn't help myself.

Very interesting thread, however. I've left all of that long behind but very intriguing. No one is going to win any argument, now, tomorrow, future.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Who weren't using psychadelic drugs.

I believe the vikings could handle themselves with a headful of psylocibin.

 

[benneth]

I actually am not after your approval here so you can stop reassuring me that you're not "judging me". But, thanks anyway i guess.

Taking substances like heroin and alcohol cannot be compared to DMT, the former alter your mind and the latter doesn't. I've got experience here and you don't. Simple as that.

Heroin is not psychoactive in any way.

 

[Marlowe]

What an interesting read. Some very conflicting arguments in this thread. I especially liked the part where nobody could agree on anything.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

What an interesting read. Some very conflicting arguments in this thread. I especially liked the part where nobody could agree on anything.

Couldn't agree more

 

[Hot Pocket]

For everyone who is talking about the native Americans vs the Europeans, have a read of this article:

http://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america.html

Basically Europe got very very lucky.

 

[Hot Pocket]

Couldn't agree more

I concur also.

 

[nicky]

Heroin is not psychoactive in any way.

Let me clarify what i mean...

You feel like sucidally crap and take heroin and then feel good.
You feel anxious and drink some alcohol and then feel less anxious
You feel low and take some mdma and feel pretty awesome
etc etc about ketamin, lsd, coke, pot etc

Whereas with dmt there isn't any kind of mood or state of mind change, it just removes a few filters. You're in an identical state of mind except with the adition of astonishment.

 

[benneth]

Let me clarify what i mean...

You feel like sucidally crap and take heroin and then feel good.
You feel anxious and drink some alcohol and then feel less anxious
You feel low and take some mdma and feel pretty awesome
etc etc about ketamin, lsd, coke, pot etc

Whereas with dmt there isn't any kind of mood or state of mind change, it just removes a few filters. You're in an identical state of mind except with the adition of astonishment.

Ok, I get what your saying, but the way you've been telling it would lead someone to believe dmt is less 'mind altering' than heroin or alcohol. Which obviously isn't true in the common understanding of mind altering which is synonymous with psychoactive. I just think it's a bit misleading.

And FWIW, I'm of the opinion people can do whatever they want as long as no harm is done to others, so don't get me wrong here, but you're making out as though it's absolutely harmless, with no potential for anything to go wrong, and that's pretty far from the truth. Having experience and being experienced are two different things.

 

[exe ex machina]

I'm of the opinion people can do whatever they want as long as no harm is done to others

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

What's the point in getting shit-faced and ****ed up if you're not endangering lives and property?

If at least two people haven't ended up in hospital and/or the police haven't been involved, then you haven't had a "night out."

 

[nicky]

Ok, I get what your saying, but the way you've been telling it would lead someone to believe dmt is less 'mind altering' than heroin or alcohol. Which obviously isn't true in the common understanding of mind altering which is synonymous with psychoactive. I just think it's a bit misleading.

And FWIW, I'm of the opinion people can do whatever they want as long as no harm is done to others, so don't get me wrong here, but you're making out as though it's absolutely harmless, with no potential for anything to go wrong, and that's pretty far from the truth. Having experience and being experienced are two different things.

Imo it is absolutely harmless but you're right i shouldn't claim to know what is harmless for others.

Kids, make your own choices in life. Determine whether its safe before jumping off a bridge when i tell you to.

 

[little graham]

Basically Europe got very very lucky.

No they didn't. Same thing happened everywhere the blacks put up a fight here. The whites released germ warfare, the old and the young got wiped which left no structure in society to support the fighting men.

 

[Messenger]

The process of regulation, crippling taxation, and finally outright bans seems eerily similar to the current approach to the tobacco industry by crusading wowsers.

The same crusading wowsers that spend billions of taxpayers dollars treating and providing care to people with smoking related illnesses?

Please.

 

[exe ex machina]

For everyone who is talking about the native Americans vs the Europeans, have a read of this article:

http://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america.html

Basically Europe got very very lucky.

Cool story bro

 

[benneth]

The same crusading wowsers that spend billions of taxpayers dollars treating and providing care to people with smoking related illnesses?

Please.

The government makes profit from each smoker per year even after subtracting treatment expenses for smoking related illness.

 

[Messenger]

The government makes profit from each smoker per year even after subtracting treatment expenses for smoking related illness.

And lost productivity of those rendered unfit for work and those around them who may care for them? And their pension costs?

 

[Caesar]

The same crusading wowsers that spend billions of taxpayers dollars treating and providing care to people with smoking related illnesses?

Please.

I'm sure if we looked hard enough, we could find a couple of your lifestyle choices that aren't exactly benefiting the taxpayer.

The welfare safety net isn't supposed to be an excuse for the majority to dictate the choices of the minority.

 

[Messenger]

The welfare safety net isn't supposed to be an excuse for the majority to dictate the choices of the minority.

Smoking costs the economy billions. Unlike food, there are no healthy variations. It magnifies other risk factors. It is the most hopeless legal habit going and as someone who has spent the best part of two decades working in healthcare I can attest to it being a miserable way to die.

So when people who should know better continue with their habit and complain about excise I struggle to muster sympathy. Give it up.

 

[little graham]

When the ragged bloody heroes made there way down the trail ,utterly exhausted, rags for clothes, constant diarrhea, temps around 38, no socks, no ammunition, no food, no hope, there was the salvoes giving them a pack of ciggies and some chocolate..

if the Japs dont get you, the American tobacco companies will...

 

[kfc1]

Sydney Bloods, thanks for your post about 'natural' DMT; found it very fascinating and insightful

 

[benneth]

And lost productivity of those rendered unfit for work and those around them who may care for them? And their pension costs?

Who knows? It's difficult to measure. Some of the costs attributed to to smoking are dead set ridiculous.

What I do know is that not all revenue from smoking is spent on health care.

So why is the line about smoking related health care costs rolled out so frequently by anti smokers? Opinions on smoking itself are irrelevant. I can see why smokers get so pissed off, they have to pay such huge taxes on smoking (60%) and cop sh*t by all and sundry because their legal habit is a drain on the health care system.