Doctor's punctuality

[RolandF1]

[QUOTE="MWPP, post: 44702142, member: ]

I do though, becuase I'm one. And most of the people in my life are, and none of us would do anything like that . I'm sure there's more to that story
I actually wonder how many you know ?[/QUOTE]

Quite a few actually and yes most would not do that including yourself however there are some out there who have done some pretty outrageous things at the expense of their patients. I've never heard of a doctor testing a car while working at a GP clinic but some I've known I can see them doing it having seen their conduct. Aren't some of your colleagues car obsessed? Sadly its not the most outrageous story I've witnessed or heard, its minor in comparison.

 

[MWPP]

OMG you so got me there. Yeah I said there isn't REALLY any more to the story then conveyed what little more there was not that it makes Dr ZoomZoom look any better.

If there was anything else it certainly wasn't conveyed to my wife and you'd think if there was he would've told her considering she was the one made to wait while he took the car for a spin.

Not necessarily. But I guess it doesn't matter anyway.

Yeah really. Not sure why you've got your back up so hard. I'm not trying to say this is all doctors. Just relating an experience my wife had with one.

Probably the same reason why another person above me said "I doubt this", it just doesn't sound believable (like much of the stuff on here)

Oh okay it must be true then. If only I had referenced this anecdote in many other posts it might have been afforded a little more legitimacy by yourself although somehow I doubt it.. or maybe if you just knew me a bit better as a poster you'd realise I don't tend to go around spouting crap about doctors because I don't have anything better to do.

Yeah, we're strangers. But do you actually believe most of what you read on here?

 

[MWPP]

[QUOTE="MWPP, post: 44702142, member: ]

I do though, becuase I'm one. And most of the people in my life are, and none of us would do anything like that . I'm sure there's more to that story
I actually wonder how many you know ?

Quite a few actually and yes most would not do that including yourself however there are some out there who have done some pretty outrageous things at the expense of their patients. I've never heard of a doctor testing a car while working at a GP clinic but some I've known I can see them doing it having seen their conduct. Aren't some of your colleagues car obsessed? Sadly its not the most outrageous story I've witnessed or heard, its minor in comparison.

How many = quite a few?
And how do you know them?
Again, I have trouble believing you.
I actually don't know anyone (whether medical or non-medical) who's obsessed with cars
But even if they were- the logical thing to do would've been to schedule the first appointment later, or ask a colleague to cover (that's what any of us would do if we had a personal appointment)
But I agree that this incident, even if true, is minor (even if also unbelievable)
If you have experienced/better yet have any proof of actual misconduct, feel free to report them. The system is very much in favour of patients/families rather than doctors when it comes to complaints, even if it is a *Person A said v. Person B said* situation

 

[Beerfish]

Not necessarily. But I guess it doesn't matter anyway.

Well I can tell you it would have mattered to my wife, not that there's really any valid excuse I can think of for treating a patient that way.

Probably the same reason why another person above me said "I doubt this", it just doesn't sound believable (like much of the stuff on here)

I think you're just a bit upset because you feel I've tried to besmirch your whole profession with one anecdote. I can assure you that's not the case. I've seen quite a few doctors who were awesome but I'm not naive enough to think they're all above reproach. Arseholes can make it through med school too.

 

[RolandF1]

Quite a few actually and yes most would not do that including yourself however there are some out there who have done some pretty outrageous things at the expense of their patients. I've never heard of a doctor testing a car while working at a GP clinic but some I've known I can see them doing it having seen their conduct. Aren't some of your colleagues car obsessed? Sadly its not the most outrageous story I've witnessed or heard, its minor in comparison.

How many = quite a few?
And how do you know them?
Again, I have trouble believing you.
But I agree that this incident, even if true, is minor
If you have experienced/better yet have any proof of actual misconduct, feel free to report them. The system is very much in favour of patients/families rather than doctors when it comes to complaints, even if it is a *Person A said v. Person B said* situation[/QUOTE]

In my line of work you meet them all the time and through friends/family I've met others. But also witnessed it a few times when I was helping family members a few years ago. I'm sure if the nurses you work with were completely honest with you you'd hear all sorts of things specific colleagues had done that you had no idea, things they were even pressured to leave out of official reports. You can choose not to believe me, doesn't worry me.

As for misconduct, well, you've probably been exposed to more complaints than I have and so feel its more sided to the patient but having seen the other side of the coin the doctors can get quite a bit of leeway and benefit of the doubt, particularly when a site needs them. Patients can feel they won't be believed so let it go.

 

[MWPP]

Well I can tell you it would have mattered to my wife, not that there's really any valid excuse I can think of for treating a patient that way.

Most issues are due to communication (either lack of, or bad communication). What would have mattered to her, knowing the real reason? (if there was one) Getting/not getting an apology? Was communication even the issue, or was it related to having to wait/the reason for waiting? Hard to say because there are so many gaps in this story .

I think you're just a bit upset because you feel I've tried to besmirch your whole profession with one anecdote. I can assure you that's not the case. I've seen quite a few doctors who were awesome but I'm not naive enough to think they're all above reproach. Arseholes can make it through med school too.

Haha I'm not upset. But thanks for acknowledging some of the good experiences. I definitely don't think we're beyond reproach. I even suggested (to the poster above me) reporting actual misconduct. But arseh*le (based on what you've said, but there might be more to the story) seems far too strong.

 

[MWPP]

In my line of work you meet them all the time and through friends/family I've met others. But also witnessed it a few times when I was helping family members a few years ago. I'm sure if the nurses you work with were completely honest with you you'd hear all sorts of things specific colleagues had done that you had no idea, things they were even pressured to leave out of official reports. You can choose not to believe me, doesn't worry me.

What's your line of work?
My nursing friends agree with me actually
And just like the author of this article, I really feel for them
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2016/05...s-its-time-to-expose-medicines-dark-side.html

As for misconduct, well, you've probably been exposed to more complaints than I have and so feel its more sided to the patient but having seen the other side of the coin the doctors can get quite a bit of leeway and benefit of the doubt, particularly when a site needs them. Patients can feel they won't be believed so let it go.

And no, it's just that we have no avenues to lodge a complaint against a patient
But they have many avenues to lodge complaints against us
And (ethically, at least not in the public sector anyway) we can't refuse to treat a patient just because they're behaving badly....
Whilst patients always have the option of a second (or third) opinion

PS please learn to use the quote button

 

[Beerfish]

I actually don't know anyone (whether medical or non-medical) who's obsessed with cars

Who said he was obsessed with cars? He was obviously in the market for a new car and made arrangements at some stage to have one brought down to him to take for a test drive or the car yard called him out of the blue and offered to bring it down to him as he (apparently) didn't have time to go there. Maybe he was just obsessed with himself. Have you ever known someone like that (medical or non-medical)?

But even if they were- the logical thing to do would've been to schedule the first appointment later, or ask a colleague to cover (that's what any of us would do if we had a personal appointment)

The appointment was in the middle of the day fyi which makes me think it's more likely the car yard called him and offered actually.

Most issues are due to communication (either lack of, or bad communication). What would have mattered to her, knowing the real reason? (if there was one) Getting/not getting an apology? Was communication even the issue, or was it related to having to wait/the reason for waiting? Hard to say because there are so many gaps in this story .

The issue was having to wait while he did it and it was the real reason because he was quite open about it iirc. I could check with my wife if you like in order to try and close up some of the 'many gaps in this story' for you (you'd need to let me know what they are first though) but I get the feeling there isn't much point as anything less than a stat dec from the good doctor in question will fail to satisfy your sniff test. All I can do is assure you this story is 100% true.

 

[Leper]

Gents, thanks for reminding me why I went (pretty much) cold turkey on big footy about 3 or 4 years ago.

Every few months I venture back for a read / procrastination from what I should be doing and wonder if I'll get that stolen 10 minutes back.

 

[The Lemon]

Goodbye. You'll be missed.

 

[MWPP]

Who said he was obsessed with cars?

If you read the posts, you'll note that the person I quoted /who I was responding to specifically asked if I knew any car obsessed colleagues ....

He was obviously in the market for a new car and made arrangements at some stage to have one brought down to him to take for a test drive or the car yard called him out of the blue and offered to bring it down to him as he (apparently) didn't have time to go there. Maybe he was just obsessed with himself. Have you ever known someone like that (medical or non-medical)?

Ok, so you have a little more information afterall.....
I find it even stranger that they'd bring it down to him out of the blue
I don't know where the *obsessed with himself* bit came from
Unless there's more to this story?
But yeah, of course I know people like that, don't we all.

The appointment was in the middle of the day fyi which makes me think it's more likely the car yard called him and offered actually.

I didn't interpret it that way, but who knows. I know many people professions work *after hours*, but car salesman don't seem to- except for thursday nights and saturdays/sundays perhaps.

The issue was having to wait while he did it and it was the real reason because he was quite open about it iirc. I could check with my wife if you like in order to try and close up some of the 'many gaps in this story' for you (you'd need to let me know what they are first though) but I get the feeling there isn't much point as anything less than a stat dec from the good doctor in question will fail to satisfy your sniff test. All I can do is assure you this story is 100% true.

You can if you like. And some of these posts have already highlighted some of the gaps (eg how far in advance was the GP appointment booked, was the car test drive planned/when was that booked, did your wife get an apology or was it the lack of apology and/or the tone she had an issue with, was she given the option of not waiting for the appointment/rescheduling, did she see the car ie do we know it wasn't an excuse to cover up a more sensitive reason for an appointment etc ). But the real reason there isn't much point is that it's irrelevant, isn't it? Unless you want to lodge a complaint in which case, I wish you both all the best.

 

[RolandF1]

What's your line of work?

I'll be general and say in health. I don't like exposing too much online.

My nursing friends agree with me actually
And just like the author of this article, I really feel for them
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2016/05...s-its-time-to-expose-medicines-dark-side.html

That's great if your work environment is strong and ethical. I've just seen and heard too much to believe most nurses wouldn't have a doctor or two they would choose not to work with again if they could help based on bad experiences.

And no, it's just that we have no avenues to lodge a complaint against a patient
But they have many avenues to lodge complaints against us
And (ethically, at least not in the public sector anyway) we can't refuse to treat a patient just because they're behaving badly....
Whilst patients always have the option of a second (or third) opinion

Yeah I know exactly what you mean.

Though I recall driving a family member to emergency one time at about 3am and while waiting saw a doctor half heartily helping a patient and when the nurse came back to him later for further assistance for the patient he refuse., When she insisted he needed help he said 'give him a kiss' and then laughed and walked off. Its kinda hard to report something like that.

PS please learn to use the quote button

Lol yeah sorry, I deleted too much and screwed up fixing the quote tabs.

 

[MWPP]

Gents, thanks for reminding me why I went (pretty much) cold turkey on big footy about 3 or 4 years ago.

Every few months I venture back for a read / procrastination from what I should be doing and wonder if I'll get that stolen 10 minutes back.

I'm not a Gent. But you're welcome.

 

[MWPP]

I'll be general and say in health. I don't like exposing too much online.

Allied health?

That's great if your work environment is strong and ethical. I've just seen and heard too much to believe most nurses wouldn't have a doctor or two they would choose not to work with again if they could help based on bad experiences.

Ok so now we're talking about interactions between colleagues rather than between staff and patients....
The former is definitely an issue. But the bolded bit isn't saying much because issues with co-workers are rife in all fields whether medical or not (and not wanting to work with certain people would be true of nurses too!! )
Ironically, it's sometimes the staff that patients love, who have bad reputations amongst other staff (as I'm sure you might appreciate)
But I'm lucky because in my specific health specialty, the majority of people are lovely

Yeah I know exactly what you mean.

Though I recall driving a family member to emergency one time at about 3am and while waiting saw a doctor half heartily helping a patient and when the nurse came back to him later for further assistance for the patient he refuse., When she insisted he needed help he said 'give him a kiss' and then laughed and walked off. Its kinda hard to report something like that.

Yes, as someone who has experienced it, I admit that sexual harrassment definitely happens (I don't think it's any better or worse in health)
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/lifestyle/a/31365434/bully-doctors-put-on-notice/
https://ama.com.au/position-statement/sexual-harassment-medical-workplace
It has just had a lot of publicity recently...(hope it sparks some changes/improvements)
It's much harder for staff to report something like that, than patients (again , there aren't enough avenues for us to make complaints, even against each other...but it's downright impossible to complain against patients!)

Lol yeah sorry, I deleted too much and screwed up fixing the quote tabs.

All good

 

[Beerfish]

If you read the posts, you'll note that the person I quoted /who I was responding to specifically asked if I knew any car obsessed colleagues ....

My bad. I'll put that down to the failed quoting that was going on there.

Ok, so you have a little more information afterall.....

No that's me hypothesising now but it must have been one of the two.

I find it even stranger that they'd bring it down to him out of the blue

[hypothesis]Not sure if you've ever purchased a new car but if they don't have what you want in stock they will offer to give you a call when they can get one in. Being a doctor and given there are numerous caryards not that far away it seems totally believable to me they would call and offer to bring it down in order to get a sale.[/hypothesis]

I don't know where the *obsessed with himself* bit came from
Unless there's more to this story?
But yeah, of course I know people like that, don't we all.

That was a follow on from your obsessed with cars response. Ignore.

I didn't interpret it that way, but who knows. I know many people professions work *after hours*, but car salesman don't seem to- except for thursday nights and saturdays/sundays perhaps.

I was talking about my wife's appointment.

You can if you like. And some of these posts have already highlighted some of the gaps (eg

how far in advance was the GP appointment booked was at least 24 hours. She didn't just rock up at midday expecting to see a doctor then and there,
was the car test drive planned/when was that booked not sure how my wife is meant to know that,
did your wife get an apology or was it the lack of apology and/or the tone she had an issue with don't know I'll ask but not sure what difference it makes - you just shouldn't be doing that when you have patients waiting,
was she given the option of not waiting for the appointment/rescheduling don't know I'll ask but this also makes little difference in my mind - once again, you just don't do that,
did she see the car ie do we know it wasn't an excuse to cover up a more sensitive reason for an appointment etc - LOL i'll just act like an arrogant arseh*le who doesn't mind making my patients wait so I can test drive a car to cover up the REAL reason which is a bit sensitive).
But the real reason there isn't much point is that it's irrelevant, isn't it? Unless you want to lodge a complaint in which case, I wish you both all the best.

Answers in bold. On the last sentence, why would anyone bother lodging a complaint over that when you can simply take your business elsewhere? I wouldn't call it misconduct anyway, just plain old fashioned rudeness. It also happened at least 5 years ago not recently.

 

[MWPP]

[hypothesis]Not sure if you've ever purchased a new car but if they don't have what you want in stock they will offer to give you a call when they can get one in. Being a doctor and given there are numerous caryards not that far away it seems totally believable to me they would call and offer to bring it down in order to get a sale.[/hypothesis]

I've bought a new car before , but my experience was very different

Answers in bold. On the last sentence, why would anyone bother lodging a complaint over that when you can simply take your business elsewhere? I wouldn't call it misconduct anyway, just plain old fashioned rudeness. It also happened at least 5 years ago not recently.

Whether there was an apology/a polite rather than dismissive tone, and whether there was the option of rescheduling does matter then, because then it's not as rude (just inconsiderate /inconvenient ). People complain about all kinds of things . There are also other gaps that we can't fill. But if it happened so long ago - then I guess it doesn't really matter . But yes, as I mentioned above, patients/families have the luxury of a second opinion . We don't (see my posts above )

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Why are some doctors so terrible with writing out medications to be administrated?

Are they in such a rush that they must scribble it, or even just write it in cursive?

Given the importance of proper medication administration; right time, right date, right patient, right route, right drug, I don't really understand it.

And they all write it out differently. Some write the brand name, some write the generic. Some have different ways they write to say give x dosage.

Did my head in at placement.

Especially progress notes too. Like, yeah, cursive looks all fancy and shit, but you do know these are meant to be read, right?

 

[MWPP]

Why are some doctors so terrible with writing out medications to be administrated?

Are they in such a rush that they must scribble it, or even just write it in cursive?

Given the importance of proper medication administration; right time, right date, right patient, right route, right drug, I don't really understand it.

And they all write it out differently. Some write the brand name, some write the generic. Some have different ways they write to say give x dosage.

Did my head in at placement.

Especially progress notes too. Like, yeah, cursive looks all fancy and shit, but you do know these are meant to be read, right?

Haha, handwriting deteriorates with seniority
But yes, as annoying as it can be to rechart other people's medication orders , I understand it's because of safety
We aren't allowed to use brand names , with a couple of exceptions relating to medications with 2 agents (like Augmentin)
However, brand names are rife in GP/private land (which means having to google)
The *no time* factor is more relevant to progress notes as Ward rounds are often rushed
But I'm loving the advent of increasingly electronic medical records (as long as the server can cope)
What are you studying ?

 

[Beerfish]

Okay I have quizzed the wife on the test drive story and besides her getting a bit testy in the end over having to answer so many questions about something that happened 5 plus years ago here's the full story.

She made the appointment the day before. The appointment was in the early afternoon. Doctor was already running late when wife arrived. She'd been waiting about half an hour past her appointment time when a guy in a Toyota shirt rocked up to the counter with some keys and said words to the effect of he was there to take the good doctor for a test drive. Doctor was with a patient so he also kept the guy from Toyota waiting while he finished. Doctor came out and went out with the Toyota guy. He returned about 15 minutes later at which point my wife was finally seen. There was no acknowledgement, apology or anything else from the doctor.

 

[Doss]

I waited almost two hours to see a doctor recently. Was not happy.

 

[RolandF1]

Okay I have quizzed the wife on the test drive story and besides her getting a bit testy in the end over having to answer so many questions about something that happened 5 plus years ago here's the full story.

She made the appointment the day before. The appointment was in the early afternoon. Doctor was already running late when wife arrived. She'd been waiting about half an hour past her appointment time when a guy in a Toyota shirt rocked up to the counter with some keys and said words to the effect of he was there to take the good doctor for a test drive. Doctor was with a patient so he also kept the guy from Toyota waiting while he finished. Doctor came out and went out with the Toyota guy. He returned about 15 minutes later at which point my wife was finally seen. There was no acknowledgement, apology or anything else from the doctor.

That's around the time of the new 86 which at the time had a massive queue of orders, some buyers even purchasing their queue number and selling it to others at a profit! He was probably testing out a demo prototype and due to the demand I bet that Toyota guy was going all over town with it keeping to a tight schedule for all potential buyers, which would explain to some degree why the doctor took his chance when it came up.

 

[Beerfish]

That's around the time of the new 86 which at the time had a massive queue of orders, some buyers even purchasing their queue number and selling it to others at a profit!

That did occur to me. My wife mentioned she thought it was a sports car for some reason but I didn't push her on why because she didn't see it. The doctor is a big fat bastard so I would have thought a Landcruiser or something was more likely but yeah whatever. Not really relevant.

 

[craigos]

Fascinating stuff, couldn't look away. I wonder what car the good bad Dr was test driving. Corolla, Corona or maybe even a Camry. Would never trust a Dr who drives anything less then an M Series BMW. I think your wife was seen by a janitor, not a Doctor.

 

[Taylor]

I don't mind waiting because sometimes my doctor is extra thorough with me and that takes longer.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Haha, handwriting deteriorates with seniority
But yes, as annoying as it can be to rechart other people's medication orders , I understand it's because of safety
We aren't allowed to use brand names , with a couple of exceptions relating to medications with 2 agents (like Augmentin)
However, brand names are rife in GP/private land (which means having to google)
The *no time* factor is more relevant to progress notes as Ward rounds are often rushed
But I'm loving the advent of increasingly electronic medical records (as long as the server can cope)
What are you studying ?

2nd year of nursing and just finished a placement at a private Rehab hospital.