Domestic Violence Epidemic

[Kurve]

Thread here on COERCIVE CONTROL

 

[Bostonian]

Another largely unspoken aspect of violence toward women is pornography

Not so long ago young boys might see the odd nude magazine

pr0n is now mainstream and instantly available absolutely everywhere in video form

It is the primary form of sex education for boys

The flooding of the pr0n market has of course led to a huge degradation in content toward the “extreme” as producers become increasingly desperate to stand out in any way possible

This has had a knock-on impact on all pr0n, with even “mainstream” pr0n now violent. Choking, slapping, hair pulling, verbal insults and other ways of inflicting physical and verbal violence on the woman is commonplace, with the woman always shown to be enjoying it or “loving the pain”

There was a time when pr0n was “relatively” harmless for consumers, but it is genuinely ****ed up now.

No idea how it’s tackled.

There have been times in the past that new ratings systems have been proposed: Non-violent adult material and Violent adult material - so viewers are at least reminded that they are not just watching sex, they’re watching violence.

But I don’t think ratings even work now because the issues of the internet and jurisdiction have never been solved.

Times have changed.

Only Fans has changed that landscape and made it way to easy for the regular person to make a lot of money for getting their kit off.

It's legitimately now promoted as some cool way to make a heap of cash.

Who is sending that message out there and making these people main stream celebrities?

 

[Toump Ass]

Another largely unspoken aspect of violence toward women is pornography

I agree it’s incredibly dangerous but I don’t agree that it’s unspoken about, the effects of pornography on developing brains have been written about for decades.

I’ve got friends in the industry and I feel there have been some some small steps to addressing this, but yeah as a parent of a son the availability of pr0n- and the content itself- is terrifying.

 

[Bostonian]

I agree it’s incredibly dangerous but I don’t agree that it’s unspoken about, the effects of pornography on developing brains have been written about for decades.

I’ve got friends in the industry and I feel there have been some some small steps to addressing this, but yeah as a parent of a son the availability of pr0n- and the content itself- is terrifying.

And the idea that our daughters are being bombarded on social media by influencers selling them the idea that it's a great way to make easy money and live a lavish lifestyle by producing all kinds of adult content under the guise of being "empowering.

 

[faible]

Thought this guy spoke well;

 

[jason_recliner]

We CAN arrest and jail our way out of this IMO, at least out of most of it. Most DV isn't the meth-induced spur-of-the-moment killings that make the news. Most of it is piece-of-s##t men systemically (and sometimes escalating) abusing their partners. Introduce harsh mandatory minimum sentences for ALL types of DV, build more jails, and watch the PoSs get locked up or rethink how they treat their women. Either way, rates of the vast majority of DV will go down.

 

[jason_recliner]

Agreed.
Additionally:

A fourth category is education:
General, community education on the deleterious effects of Pornography and respect for women.
General, direction to resources for all parties.

Within the judicial system:
Co-ordination of laws across all states. ie. laws recognising Coersive Control enacted in QLD & Tas.
Co-ordination of AVO's across all states.
Education on Family Law (Federal Law changes on 6/5/24 will go someway towards this).

Public Funding:
Resources for intervention and education pertaining to male violence. Both pre-offending and post as well as in general.
Resources for school funding both education and psychological support services. (Prevention & Fallout from DV).

This (and the post responded to) is all very good but also very basic and obvious. How has it not been accomplished years ago? We have had 15 years of unprecedented economic growth (25 years if we ignore the GFC); it's a disgrace that this scourge, this epidemic, has not been addressed with the full resources of State and Federal government. Especially as a lot of the victims pay plenty of taxes themselves and have every right to feel that their taxes go towards protecting them and providing them safety and security.

 

[Cam Payne]

People blaming the internet or pr0n have a hard time explaining why DV has steadily dropped since the 1990's. DV and women dying at the hands of their partners still seems out of control to me, just the reasons for it might not be what you think.

 

[Pamcake1]

People blaming the internet or pr0n have a hard time explaining why DV has steadily dropped since the 1990's. DV and women dying at the hands of their partners still seems out of control to me, just the reasons for it might not be what you think.

It is one of the complex reasons, not the only one.
Not a stand alone reason and anyone who has mentioned it in this thread has recognised that it is a contributer to the situation, not a reason.

 

[faible]

Federal Cabinet announcements

Live: Albanese announces $925 million funding to combat gender-based violence

The government has announced a five-year, $925 million package that will include the Leave Program, offering financial support and safety to people looking to escape domestic violence. Follow live.

www.abc.net.au

$925m for 'Leaving Violence' program:

The Prime Minister has announced the government will invest $925 million over five years, to permanently establish the Leaving Violence program so those escaping violence can receive financial support, safety assessments and referrals to support pathways.

Those eligible will be able to access up to $5,000 in financial support along with referral services, risk assessments and safety planning.

Measures for online male extremist views:

This includes:

• Legislation to ban the creation and distribution of Deepfake pornography,
• Serious penalties for sharings exually expilict material using technology like artificial intelligence
• A new phase of the Stop It At The Start campaign will launch in mid-June and will run until May 2025

Investigating measures to reduce exposure to violent pornography:

Anthony Albanese says the government is examining options to reduce people's exposure to "violent pornography."

He says the government is undertaking long overdue classification reforms with states and territories, who will be informed by experts on the matter.

Also mentions about bail laws but no form of commitments to change anything.

 

[Bostonian]

Federal Cabinet announcements

Live: Albanese announces $925 million funding to combat gender-based violence

The government has announced a five-year, $925 million package that will include the Leave Program, offering financial support and safety to people looking to escape domestic violence. Follow live.

www.abc.net.au

$925m for 'Leaving Violence' program:



Measures for online male extremist views:



Investigating measures to reduce exposure to violent pornography:



Also mentions about bail laws but no form of commitments to change anything.

Are these laws and penalties supposed to target all men or just men who have history with DV?

Some authoritarianism at its finest there if every single guy is being targetted with these laws.

 

[jason_recliner]

Are these laws and penalties supposed to target all men or just men who have history with DV?

Some authoritarianism at its finest there if every single guy is being targetted with these laws.

With which laws/initiatives/announcements and aspects thereof do you take issue?

 

[Bostonian]

With which laws/initiatives/announcements and aspects thereof do you take issue?

"Serious penalties for sharing sexually explicit material using technology like artificial intelligence"

What does that even mean?

Who is it aimed at?

Who is determining what is sexually explicit?

 

[faible]

"Serious penalties for sharing sexually explicit material using technology like artificial intelligence"

What does that even mean?

Who is it aimed at?

Who is determining what is sexually explicit?

I assume it's this kind of stuff?

Students are generating explicit 'deepfake' images to bully their peers, Australia's eSafety Commissioner warns

Cybercrime experts say children and teenagers are increasingly being victimised with "deepfake" explicit images as an advocate is calling for more education about AI-generated abuse after being targeted as a teenager.

www.abc.net.au

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08...le-martin-story-of-image-based-abuse/11437774

 

[jason_recliner]

"Serious penalties for sharing sexually explicit material using technology like artificial intelligence"

What does that even mean?

Who is it aimed at?

Who is determining what is sexually explicit?

It means sending sexually explicit pics and videos generated using AI/CGI/Photoshop etc.

It's aimed at everybody. i.e. laws generally apply to the population as a whole.

There's extensive case law against which whether something is sexually explicit can be assessed. It's usually obvious.

What's your concern/s regarding this proposal?

 

[Bostonian]

It means sending sexually explicit pics and videos generated using AI/CGI/Photoshop etc.

It's aimed at everybody. i.e. laws generally apply to the population as a whole.

There's extensive case law against which whether something is sexually explicit can be assessed. It's usually obvious.

What's your concern/s regarding this proposal?

That it's a load of s**t.

If it's created by using AI, CGI etc it's not real. It's fake.

Laws actually don't get applied evenly, we know this.

So some ******* bureaucrats are going to tell us all what they deem to be explicit.

Taking this law at face value it strips away anything consensual and blanket bans everything them deem they don't like.

 

[jason_recliner]

If it's created by using AI, CGI etc it's not real. It's fake.

Some AI content uses real people and modifies their likeness.

Laws actually don't get applied evenly, we know this.

What do you mean by this? Do you have examples?

So some ******* bureaucrats are going to tell us all what they deem to be explicit.

In as much as bureaucrats (and consultants) write the legislation but it still needs to pass parliament and then will be tested in court. As I said, what is "sexually explicit" has been well established in court.

Taking this law at face value it strips away anything consensual and blanket bans everything them deem they don't like.

I don't understand how you come to that conclusion from the press conference. It's obvious and evident that this proposal responds to harm, and we'd expect the laws will target harmful content and creators.

 

[Kurve]

Two men aged 32 and 34yo have been charged this far, with drugs and theft offences over the Bondi death of the 19yo girl.

The age disparity tells of a gross power imbalance. This girl might have died of an overdose, if only one gram of meth and some marijuana was actually found in the unit and imo their responsibility needs to be examined.

Autopsy not complete yet.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/crime/police-charge-two-men-aged-32-and-34-over-outstanding-warrant-and-drugs-offences-after-teens-body-found-in-north-bondi-unit/news-story/60af62762db7e555cbbca50272de52b4

 

[jason_recliner]

The age disparity tells of a gross power imbalance.

Not necessarily. A younger woman can wield a lot of power over an older man. I would suggest the power imbalance in this case comes from her being a drug user, possibly dependent to some extent, and her PoS 'BF' supplying her with drugs.

 

[Bostonian]

Some AI content uses real people and modifies their likeness.

So still not real.

What do you mean by this? Do you have examples?

The difference in how male pedophilia is dealt with compared to a females in a court situation.

Same laws, vastly different outcomes on the whole.

"Research suggests that sexual abuse by females is viewed as less harmful than male-perpetrated abuse, and that females are treated more leniently by the justice system."

In as much as bureaucrats (and consultants) write the legislation but it still needs to pas parliament and then will be tested in court. As I said, what is "sexually explicit" has been well established in court.

What a waste of resources.

We already have laws that can take care of that.

I don't understand how you come to that conclusion from the press conference. It's obvious and evident that this proposal responds to harm, and we'd expect the laws will target harmful content and creators.

How do you think they will police this?

Spy on people more?

Sounds like this kind of thing could be politicised very easily.

 

[Kurve]

Not necessarily. A younger woman can wield a lot of power over an older man. I would suggest the power imbalance in this case comes from her being a drug user, possibly dependent to some extent, and her PoS 'BF' supplying her with drugs.

I'm referring to life experience, wealth and maturity. Not the embarrassing good feelz an older man might get showing off a younger female and the indulgences she might take from it. It's a power trip in itself for some types of men and they do hold all the power in these situations.

See how much money Andrew Tate's made off selling it.

 

[Bostonian]

Two men aged 32 and 34yo have been charged this far, with drugs and theft offences over the Bondi death of the 19yo girl.

The age disparity tells of a gross power imbalance. This girl might have died of an overdose, if only one gram of meth and some marijuana was actually found in the unit and imo their responsibility needs to be examined.

Autopsy not complete yet.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/crime/police-charge-two-men-aged-32-and-34-over-outstanding-warrant-and-drugs-offences-after-teens-body-found-in-north-bondi-unit/news-story/60af62762db7e555cbbca50272de52b4

The age difference tells no such story at all.

Any or none of them may or may not have been manipulating each other.

You're making up a narrative with nothing to back it up.

 

[jason_recliner]

So still not real.

No, but it can depict real people doing things they haven't done, and/or things they wouldn't want made public, and/or things that can be used against them. So although the content is not real, the harm is real in some cases.

The difference in how male pedophilia is dealt with compared to a females in a court situation.

Same laws, vastly different outcomes on the whole.

"Research suggests that sexual abuse by females is viewed as less harmful than male-perpetrated abuse, and that females are treated more leniently by the justice system."

Jeez, that's pretty niche! (noting the report you cite is 10 years old, American, and references data from 1987). But yeah, I do agree that the very few female pedos do often seem to get off more lightly than male perpetrators.

What a waste of resources.

I disagree. I think that if anything MORE resources should be allocated to preventing DV and other gender-based violence.

We already have laws that can take care of that.

The evidence suggests otherwise.

How do you think they will police this?

Spy on people more?

I imagine a good deal will be through responding to complaints from victims. Possibly also using AI to identify ("spy" on, in your words) creators. But I don't know much about policing methodologies, these two just seem like the obvious ways to me.

Sounds like this kind of thing could be politicised very easily.

How so? I'm not sure either major party is going to come out as "pro-AI-pr0n". Maybe some of the right-wing fringe-dwelling parties will - another win for the new legislation (IDing those who are pro-harming women and girls though media content)

 

[Kurve]

The age difference tells no such story at all.

Any or none of them may or may not have been manipulating each other.

You're making up a narrative with nothing to back it up.

There were two men in that unit, they were both over the age of 30 years old and one of them was her partner.

It's not a made up narrative, that's the story.

 

[10571z]

The bail system in this country seems perplexing. How people with such long wrap sheets are sent out continuously into the public is beyond comprehension for the average citizen.

Unfortunately there is no way to fix gender based violence, it’ll always happen because some people are simply nuts. But once you know these people are bad apples they need to be locked up.

 

[jason_recliner]

I'm referring to life experience, wealth and maturity. Not the embarrassing good feelz an older man might get showing off a younger female and the indulgences she might take from it. It's a power trip in itself for some types of men and they do hold all the power in these situations.

See how much money Andrew Tate's made off selling it.

Wealth = power for sure, but younger women have different power that gives them access to wealth they might not otherwise have until later (or never). I don't agree that more life experience and maturity necessarily equals a power imbalance. There are lots of reasons why older men and younger women get together, not all of them "embarrassing"!

I imagine the main reason this particular young woman was with this older man was drugs, sadly.