Doughty

[The Crows Truth]

What is it with you alot of you guys? I keep reading on media articles that he is having a pretty good year. Every time I read BF though he is rarely given any credit and always talked as a dud and 'not part of our future'

Shouldnt he get some credit for playing pretty reasonable footy and proving some peoples very negative opinions of him wrong

Not our best player by far - but not our worst either

Good luck tonight boys

 

[Crowked]

I dont think he has played all that well. His form has been just ordinary, as has his career. He's 26 or there abouts, with very little upside.

If we are going to get back to the top of the AFL heap, he and players like him have to be replaced with much better quality.

IMO as long as he and several others of similar quality are regular players for us, its an indicator that we are still miles off the pace.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Stats and ground time dont do Doughty the justice he deserves.
He had another good game last night and could teach a few crow receivers on the art of mixing it!

...yet another quality Panther too...heheh

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I dont think he has played all that well. His form has been just ordinary, as has his career. He's 26 or there abouts, with very little upside.

If we are going to get back to the top of the AFL heap, he and players like him have to be replaced with much better quality.

IMO as long as he and several others of similar quality are regular players for us, its an indicator that we are still miles off the pace.

Didn't you predict a 10 goal thrashing bt the Saints

Lets get Doughty in perspective:

1. He's a second string player for the Crows - low salary but a dependable - all clubs need them

2. ABC radio said last night Adelaides second stringers were better than St Kildas

3. I'm sick & tired of this age descrimination - 26....ok Hudsons 26 so lets get rid of them both because apparently they have hit the "age" wall

4. Doughty has put his body on the line several times in recent seasons - the suggestion he's "soft" is unfair - I can asure you there were more Saints who were "soft" last night.

5. He's avery valuable player for us who campares favourably against even several of our premiership players

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Apart from a few mistakes, I have been impressed with Doughty this year. In the past he has looked soft at times but this year doesn't hessitate to throw his body at the contest. He is definatley off the "transition players" list IMHO.

 

[just maybe]

Got a nice kick on him.

 

[Jim Lihou]

I must admit that he did have a good game last night - one of his best for a while. I've been a critic of his in the past - I don't think you can question his endeavour, but sometimes his courage is questionable. My main issue with Doughty is his poor decision making under pressure - he seems to freeze - often leaving him caught with the ball. But if he can string together a few games like last night then he will be valuable.
Yet to be convinced though ...

 

[macca23]

4. Doughty has put his body on the line several times in recent seasons - the suggestion he's "soft" is unfair - I can asure you there were more Saints who were "soft" last night.

He's certainly getting better WW, and his soft moments are gradually becoming less and less.

I was pleased with both his contribution and courage when on the ground last night.

But to imply that he's never had some standout soft moments in the past is ignoring reality.

The coaching staff would have highlighted those moments to him in the past I'm sure, and he certainly is improving in that area.

 

[tribey]

3. I'm sick & tired of this age descrimination - 26....ok Hudsons 26 so lets get rid of them both because apparently they have hit the "age" wall

You know full well why people always highlight his age when discussing him, WW.

Nothing to do with "age discrimination", everything to do with the fact that Gary Ayres and Neil Craig always refer to him as a "youngster", when in AFL terms (and being older than the likes of Shirley, Massie, McGregor, Pavlich, et al.) he clearly isn't.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You know full well why people always highlight his age when discussing him, WW.

Nothing to do with "age discrimination", everything to do with the fact that Gary Ayres and Neil Craig always refer to him as a "youngster", when in AFL terms (and being older than the likes of Shirley, Massie, McGregor, Pavlich, et al.) he clearly isn't.

Yes I understand what your saying.

In my mind you often get an 18 year old recruit who bobs around on an AFL list sometimes for 5 years (smith) who by the time they are Doughty's age have still played less "quality" football than the someone like Doughty.

But I must confess under the right circumstances and the right player Iam a fan of the mature recruit.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

He's certainly getting better WW, and his soft moments are gradually becoming less and less.

I was pleased with both his contribution and courage when on the ground last night.

But to imply that he's never had some standout soft moments in the past is ignoring reality.

There are two different issues here

1. His courage
2. His committment to get the hard ball

Are they the same of different?

IMO Doughty has demonstrated no lack of courage many times (that smother last year when he got a boot in the mouth for his troubles is a great example)

Has Doughty sometimes not gone hard enough for the ball - well I think there we can say there are instances where his attack on the ball has been less than satisfactory.

2 different arguments though

 

[Stiffy_18]

He's certainly getting better WW, and his soft moments are gradually becoming less and less.

I was pleased with both his contribution and courage when on the ground last night.

But to imply that he's never had some standout soft moments in the past is ignoring reality.

The coaching staff would have highlighted those moments to him in the past I'm sure, and he certainly is improving in that area.

Couldn't agree with you more.

To say that Doughty hasn't had moments where he piked it a few times in a match is being ignorant. Who can forget his efforts in round 22 last year just as an example.

I also agree with you he is getting better and for 2 weeks in a row I have been impressed with his attack on the ball.

 

[Stiffy_18]

You know full well why people always highlight his age when discussing him, WW.

Nothing to do with "age discrimination", everything to do with the fact that Gary Ayres and Neil Craig always refer to him as a "youngster", when in AFL terms (and being older than the likes of Shirley, Massie, McGregor, Pavlich, et al.) he clearly isn't.

Well said.

Doughty in not a youngster at 26 and he is not youngster in football terms either.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Why is everyone so hung up about this???

 

[tribey]

Why is everyone so hung up about this???

Because it seems to be an easy excuse to pile Doughty in with the genuine youngsters who are still making their way at the club.

Just a few weeks ago on WLF, Gary Ayres reiterated his call that he didn't get due credit for bringing the youngsters through in the past couple of years, "your Ben Ruttens, your Hayden Skipworths, your Brent Reillys, your Trent Hentschels, your Marty Mattners, your Mick 'Dohertys'"...

Even now, Neil Craig persists with saying "we're seeing some promising signs from our youngsters, guys like Mattner, Reilly, Skipworth, Doughty..."

The simple fact of the matter is, Doughty isn't a youngster. He's 25 going on 26 and is into his sixth season on our list. If he makes a mistake or has a bad run of form, he should wear his mistakes as a senior player, rather than be excused - by the coaching staff of all people - like he's just some rookie still trying to find his way and he'll learn and improve so all's well that ends well.

Or by the same token he shouldn't receive praise for a solid game like it's a future glimpse of potential stardom by an up-and-comer (like he has by Craig since he took over from Ayres), rather, his better performances should be acknowledged for what they are, acceptable displays from a middle-aged flanker.

That's what grates with those of us who can't stand it when he is referred to as a youngster.

 

[outback jack]

doughty has been much better since his collingwood effort. i have noticed he has landed a couple of nice tackles esp last night. But as has been said a million times the current team or midfield isnt good enough and we only have a few yrs left with our guns so getting players like VB in with more potential should be a priority. This means players like doughty, begley even skippy imo who arent really long term quality players should be depth and not much more. What will happen is we will finish 8ish this yr and as our stars fade, like roo who was sensational lat night, we will drop as a team as well.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Because it seems to be an easy excuse to pile Doughty in with the genuine youngsters who are still making their way at the club.

Just a few weeks ago on WLF, Gary Ayres reiterated his call that he didn't get due credit for bringing the youngsters through in the past couple of years, "your Ben Ruttens, your Hayden Skipworths, your Brent Reillys, your Trent Hentschels, your Marty Mattners, your Mick 'Dohertys'"...

Even now, Neil Craig persists with saying "we're seeing some promising signs from our youngsters, guys like Mattner, Reilly, Skipworth, Doughty..."

The simple fact of the matter is, Doughty isn't a youngster. He's 25 going on 26 and is into his sixth season on our list. If he makes a mistake or has a bad run of form, he should wear his mistakes as a senior player, rather than be excused - by the coaching staff of all people - like he's just some rookie still trying to find his way and he'll learn and improve so all's well that ends well.

Or by the same token he shouldn't receive praise for a solid game like it's a future glimpse of potential stardom by an up-and-comer (like he has by Craig since he took over from Ayres), rather, his better performances should be acknowledged for what they are, acceptable displays from a middle-aged flanker.

That's what grates with those of us who can't stand it when he is referred to as a youngster.

 

[just maybe]

Get over it. It doesn't matter. Who gives a crap what the coaches refer to him as? You're making a mountain out of a molehill. He has barely played 50 games. It's not like he's extremely experienced. He is a second-stringer, always has been, always will be, the amount of angst some fo you guys have for him is so bloody timewasting.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Get over it. It doesn't matter. Who gives a crap what the coaches refer to him as? You're making a mountain out of a molehill. He has barely played 50 games. It's not like he's extremely experienced. He is a second-stringer, always has been, always will be, the amount of angst some fo you guys have for him is so bloody timewasting.

Dude labeling Doughty as young is as acurate as labeling Josh Krueger as handsome

Both couldn't be further from the truth

 

[just maybe]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Stiffy.

And if you don't think 25 is young, then you obviously are posting from the Middle Ages.

 

[tribey]

And if you don't think 25 is young, then you obviously are posting from the Middle Ages.

We're talking about in AFL terms here, JM, not everyday life...

25 going on 26 in AFL terms is middle age, and certainly isn't young, assuming todays kids are drafted at 17/18 and play until they're 32/33.

If you disagree on this fact I have to question your motives...

 

[just maybe]

Doughty has previously stated he will play until 40, so he is still young in those terms.

 

[tribey]

Doughty has previously stated he will play until 40, so he is still young in those terms.

Sooparulz Doughty.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Doughty has previously stated he will play until 40, so he is still young in those terms.

 

[bigman]

Didn't you predict a 10 goal thrashing bt the Saints

Lets get Doughty in perspective:

1. He's a second string player for the Crows - low salary but a dependable - all clubs need them

2. ABC radio said last night Adelaides second stringers were better than St Kildas

3. I'm sick & tired of this age descrimination - 26....ok Hudsons 26 so lets get rid of them both because apparently they have hit the "age" wall

4. Doughty has put his body on the line several times in recent seasons - the suggestion he's "soft" is unfair - I can asure you there were more Saints who were "soft" last night.

5. He's avery valuable player for us who campares favourably against even several of our premiership players

As you know I have been one of micks biggest fans - the thread the Mattner Doughty express for example was started by me!!!

For too long people have been giving this guy a hard time.

He has been a really important influence in our side from half back. This is where many of our attacks begin and his use of the ball with hand has been responsible for setting up many promising attacks midfield. He is a very good user of the ball, and he is showing improvement in his ability to play different positions during the game as well as the defensive side to his game.

The thing about his age is unimportant. In football terms he is relatively young because of the lack of games he has played at AFL level. The same argument can be made for Hudson. In both cases we are seeing steady improvement in their play, because of the increasing amount of games each has played.

Get off this guys back. For the last couple of years he has been one of the better backbone players at the club.

You only have to listent to Wayne Carey, to know how much respect the players hold for Dogga.