Drafting success rates

[mayne iac]

You're not real old are you Mayneiac? Why do I get the impression you're about 13? I hope so for your sake coz you're talking some serious carp. at leastif you're young there's some hope you're grow up one day.

Yeah, there is hope aye, for my sake.....

 

[mayne iac]

Exactly, I think Broughton might go a few places higher than what we got him if they had that draft again. In the re-do the (whatever year it was) Draft on the D&T board many have Duff as inside the top 20 from his year. Mayne would certainly go higher.We are drafting quality with our later picks and that is better than having a few picks and not getting it right. Having said that The Weags did bloody well out of Schuey & Swift.

Look, Like I said before, I agree with alot of whats being said, and yeah, I reckon Harvey is doing a great job, the right man for the job. And I also reckon brougton, mattdeb and mayne were great picks. All I want is success for this football club, I want to see a #@$#@$# premiership before I die, shi- ite I could go on........but, i wont.
All Im saying that if we had an extra swift / shuey it wouldnt go astray, If you cant see that you are seriously off your head.

 

[theGav56]

Which Tall should we have picked instead of Ballas?

I am a big Harvey fan, I reckon he's the man to lead us for the next 5 or so years - he deserves that amount of time, but gee a couple more first round draft picks would have been nice.

Personally I would have gone with Shaun McKernan. Not unhappy we got Ballantyne, but he may easily have been available later, and anyway as a small forward is a less critical part of team structure.

How does Harvey "deserve" the next 5 or so years? At best he deserves a new contract, and then if he gets the wins on the Board, another one.

 

[mayne iac]

Personally I would have gone with Shaun McKernan. Not unhappy we got Ballantyne, but he may easily have been available later, and anyway as a small forward is a less critical part of team structure.

How does Harvey "deserve" the next 5 or so years? At best he deserves a new contract, and then if he gets the wins on the Board, another one.

Harvey needs to see through the rebuilding process, he seems to have the support from the players, which is pretty important.

I dont think Ballas would have been available with our next pick and I agree, Mckernan would have been a decent choice.

 

[theGav56]

Harvey needs to see through the rebuilding process, he seems to have the support from the players, which is pretty important.

I dont think Ballas would have been available with our next pick and I agree, Mckernan would have been a decent choice.

Our next selection was 3 picks later, and Ballantyne would almost certainly be there. But even if he wasn't, we picked up Walters who can play as small forward. Or could have looked at Jetta. But it is water under the bridge now.

 

[E Shed]

Our next selection was 3 picks later, and Ballantyne would almost certainly be there. But even if he wasn't, we picked up Walters who can play as small forward. Or could have looked at Jetta. But it is water under the bridge now.

Which we used on Suban. Not too shabby. Houghton could be just as good as McKernan, it's a bit of a raffle with so so young talls. Ballantyne looks like he's going to an absolute terrier in the forward line. Anyway the thing that none of us can comment on and which IMO is making the most difference in our recent drafting is we are drafting players with the right attitude. All the youtube and watching 18's games and wafl can't tell you what a young mans character is like. We are building a young squad of blokes who go out there and put it all on the line for the jumper. Works for me.

 

[free at last]

draft analysis, steve gloury. has said the eagles are ranked in the top 3 on draft success from 2004-2007.that can't be right when compared to the hawks drafting over the same period.
roughead
buddy
lewis
ellis
birchall
rioli
tuck
morton
moss
renouf
muston
dowler

eagles same period,rosa,lecras,hurn,mckinley,spangher,brown,mckenzie,masten,ebert

hawks drafting to me is miles ahead.steve gloury. analysis system is floored
eagles

 

[Angus McFuttock]

draft analysis, steve gloury. has said the eagles are ranked in the top 3 on draft success from 2004-2007.that can't be right when compared to the hawks drafting over the same period.
roughead
buddy
lewis
ellis
birchall
rioli
tuck
morton
moss
renouf
muston
dowler

eagles same period,rosa,lecras,hurn,mckinley,spangher,brown,mckenzie,masten,ebert

hawks drafting to me is miles ahead.steve gloury. analysis system is floored
eagles

Agree. This guy Gloury did rate Tambling as a 3 (above average AFL footballer) so obviously he's no expert when it comes to rating players.

 

[free at last]

the print media in west oz! are a joke.

 

[GeorgeGrljusich]

the media in general in west oz! are a joke.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

the media are a joke.

If you're going to 'fix' it....do it right.

 

[WCErevival]

draft analysis, steve gloury. has said the eagles are ranked in the top 3 on draft success from 2004-2007.that can't be right when compared to the hawks drafting over the same period.
roughead
buddy
lewis
ellis
birchall
rioli
tuck
morton
moss
renouf
muston
dowler

eagles same period,rosa,lecras,hurn,mckinley,spangher,brown,mckenzie,masten,ebert

hawks drafting to me is miles ahead.steve gloury. analysis system is floored
eagles

I dont think its about peak qaulity but how much each team got out of it. Buddy being the pick out of those years obviously. All of those Eagles players are now regular players apart from maybe Spangher. Im no Hawks expert but are all of those players listed in their 22 now?

 

[Scotland]

'Drafting success rates' are a load of shit. No point saying 'We got NickNat and you didn't har har when we took him at pick 2'.

Hawthorn turned over tens of players over 2004-2007 and had a heap of early picks while during the same period we were having a tilt at the flag.

I consider picking up guys like Hurn, Brown, MacKenzie and LeCras who are now first 22 regulars while at (near) the top as good drafting.

Geelong picked up Corey, Chapman, Ling and Enright in the 1999 draft, plus some duds in between. Good drafting, good fortune or good development? A year later the only player they drafted of any note was Josh Hunt. Drafting success is hugely dependent on luck, where your club is at in terms of how many positions are available and how much game time young players are likely to get, where you finish on the ladder and the strength of the draft for a given year.

 

[free at last]

Fixed that for you.

some nearly have a brain!

 

[free at last]

'Drafting success rates' are a load of shit. No point saying 'We got NickNat and you didn't har har when we took him at pick 2'.

Hawthorn turned over tens of players over 2004-2007 and had a heap of early picks while during the same period we were having a tilt at the flag.

I consider picking up guys like Hurn, Brown, MacKenzie and LeCras who are now first 22 regulars while at (near) the top as good drafting.

Geelong picked up Corey, Chapman, Ling and Enright in the 1999 draft, plus some duds in between. Good drafting, good fortune or good development? A year later the only player they drafted of any note was Josh Hunt. Drafting success is hugely dependent on luck, where your club is at in terms of how many positions are available and how much game time young players are likely to get, where you finish on the ladder and the strength of the draft for a given year.

have you been taking some meow?

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

I dont think its about peak qaulity but how much each team got out of it. Buddy being the pick out of those years obviously. All of those Eagles players are now regular players apart from maybe Spangher. Im no Hawks expert but are all of those players listed in their 22 now?

most of those players mentioned are either premiership players, regular 22 or both. hawthorn are by far the best in this period of time

 

[Scotland]

most of those players mentioned are either premiership players, regular 22 or both. hawthorn are by far the best in this period of time

roughead (2)
buddy (5)
lewis (7)
ellis (3)
birchall (14)
rioli (12)
dowler (6)
tuck (38)
morton (33)
moss (rookie)
renouf (24)
muston (22)

Most of those players mentioned are first round draft picks. 12 players listed, 5 in the top 7, 7 first round picks and 9 in the top 25. Some great pick-ups in there.

Not exactly apples and apples with:

eagles same period, rosa (29), lecras (37), hurn (13), mckinley (29), spangher (34), brown (16), mckenzie (29), masten (3), ebert (13)

This is why drafting comparisons are horseshit. The most pleasing aspect for us is that we picked up the guys in bold who are going to be very important for us in the future while we were a top side. I wish we'd taken Joel Selwood, but I'm happy with Mitch Brown and a premiership from 2006 instead.

If for whatever reason you really wanted to compare WC and Hawthorn's drafting, Haw 2004-2007 (15th, 14th, 11th, 5th) would be more comparable to WC 2007-2010 (3rd*, 15th, 11th, ?) but even then the 2010 draft is compromised. *Had draft picks of a shit side from the Judas trade.

Quantifiable by some bizarre formula or not your drafting has improved out of side from 2007-. Apart from the fact that you seem to have stopped trading good picks away the most pleasing aspect for you guys I would've thought is picking up guys like Suban, Ballantyne, Broughton etc. who look like being around for years with later draft picks to go with Morabito/Palmer/Hill who came from the early picks you got from being at the bottom.

 

[jazou]

Quantifiable by some bizarre formula or not your drafting has improved out of side from 2007-. Apart from the fact that you seem to have stopped trading good picks away the most pleasing aspect for you guys I would've thought is picking up guys like Suban, Ballantyne, Broughton etc. who look like being around for years with later draft picks to go with Morabito/Palmer/Hill who came from the early picks you got from being at the bottom.

this = sense. Regardless of how you rate it, the dockers recruiting in the middle part of the last decade was rubbish (although not quite as bad as during the startup... but that's another thread already...)
Much credit to Harvey for sticking to his youth policy in the draft, even though it has meant a lot of short term pain because of the high turnover.

 

[DizzyHB]

the dockers recruiting in the middle part of the last decade was rubbish (although not quite as bad as during the startup... but that's another thread already...)

Our drafting under CC was deplorable and the whole reason we're in the mess we're in now. The only players drafted under CC who are still on our list are Schammer, Crowley, Mundy, Murphy and Brock O'Brien (may have missed one or two) which is beyond a joke. I'd put that right up there with our starting years.

Fortunately we're going to be getting some good derbies soon with Hill, Suban, Morabito, Palmer, Broughton, Ballantyne, Ruffles, Fyfe v Masten, Kennedy, Sheppard, Swift, Natanui, Hurn, LeCras, Shuey.

 

[Kenny_01]

Our drafting under CC was deplorable and the whole reason we're in the mess we're in now. The only players drafted under CC who are still on our list are Schammer, Crowley, Mundy, Murphy and Brock O'Brien (may have missed one or two) which is beyond a joke. I'd put that right up there with our starting years.

Fortunately we're going to be getting some good derbies soon with Hill, Suban, Morabito, Palmer, Broughton, Ballantyne, Ruffles, Fyfe v Masten, Kennedy, Sheppard, Swift, Natanui, Hurn, LeCras, Shuey.

We also have Ibbotson from the CC years. Pretty decent pick in the 2005 draft.