Drop Carey

[Malibu#27]

Originally posted by iceman21
I think we're expecting too much from Carey.... Supporters, Players and Coaching staff , you need to remember he's been out for a whole year . To expect him to be a Dominant forward with-in his first month and a bit of footy is unrealistic, I recon he's putting too much pressure on himself.... see how he's travelling in another month's time before you jump to any sort of conclusions.
As for last nights game...... there are probalbly only a couple of players that could walk of the ground pleased with their performance.. to blame Carey is wrong, the delivery into the forward line was the worst its been for quite a while, and I'm not sure what Ayersy and his coaching staff were doing .

Expect too much from Carey ??? You gave up a lot to get him so you have to expect a lot from him.

As for the delivery into forward line, for several years it has been said that the Crows weakness is their forward structure, you've tried many players up their but forward structure has always been mentioned as a weakness.

Is it possible the problem hasnt been 100% the lack of marking options in the forward line, but part of the problem is in fact the delivery into your forward line by your midfield ?

 

[Jars458]

Drop Carey for who?

Don't be stupid.


He will come good about mid season. He has had 12 months away from the game.


With a four man interchange bench we can afford to carry him.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Jars458]

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Originally posted by ok.crows
Biglands, Perrie, Carey, Torney & Ladhams (I think it was Ladhams) all missed comparitively easy set shots from 35m out or less, not much angle, on a still night.

Half of those shots made, Crows would have won.

that's complete rubbish

We never looked like winning at any stage.

Very poor performance.

Port cope with the pressure better

our first quarter was diabolical

 

[PAfolwr]

ok.crows.
Gotta love him

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Drop Carey

Originally posted by Jars458
We never looked like winning at any stage.

Very poor performance.

Port cope with the pressure better

our first quarter was diabolical

That's what hurts is that from the 1st bounce we never looked like winning. Defensive matchups were all stuffed from the start, combined with our attititude we were never going to win. You would have thought the coaching staff / players would have learnt by now. So much for all this special preparation.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Jars458
Drop Carey for who?

Don't be stupid.


He will come good about mid season. He has had 12 months away from the game.


With a four man interchange bench we can afford to carry him.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

If Carey is fit then he should be playing, as he needs the match practice. I'm more concerned with Stevo's injuries, as he only seems to be playing well every 2nd game & struggling the next. Why wasn't a fit Ian Perrie used more in the forward line? At least he attacked the ball with vigour. Instead we had Kenny playing out of position in the forward line, which was even stranger once Bassett left injured. Arrrrhhh just too depressing thinking about it. On the Kangas game, if Stevo isn't fit then give Hentschel another go. Carey should lift against his old side & there will be no Archer to play on him.

 

[snakebite01]

It was clear at the start of the year that Carey's first ha;f of the year was going to be up and down. It won't be until he gets some proper match fitness that we'll see him performing week in week out. In the third quarter I thought he atleast provided a target at CHF. So far he has kicked 4 goals, 0, 3 and 0 so hopefully this week he will play well. We've all just got to have a little more patience with Carey and have faith that he will show something later in the year.

 

[crowsfan]

Originally posted by snakebite01
It was clear at the start of the year that Carey's first ha;f of the year was going to be up and down. It won't be until he gets some proper match fitness that we'll see him performing week in week out. In the third quarter I thought he atleast provided a target at CHF. So far he has kicked 4 goals, 0, 3 and 0 so hopefully this week he will play well. We've all just got to have a little more patience with Carey and have faith that he will show something later in the year.

Impt there. I've heard the thought that "Oh you Crows went to so much trouble to get Carey, and he isn't even performing" That is such an unrealistic and stupid thought really. I'm sure the AFC never expected for Carey to be in top form from the word go, and I certainly didn't and don't either. As a lot of people have pointed out before, Carey needs match practice. He may have remained in good condition while he was out, but match fitness and physical fitness are two completely different things, and some people don't seem to understand this.

The amount of effort we went to recruit Carey is irrespective and irrelevant of the fact that he has been out for a year, and no one, I don't care good they are, in those circumstances can be realistically expected to be in top form from R1 and/or kick 5 goals every week.

 

[napsyd]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Carey should only be dropped if he's injured.

Fact is the service to him all night was terrible... our forward line was congested and our midfield was slaughtered.

I had a concert of morons around me (Crows 'fans') bagging him everytime he made a mistake - which could've been anything from dropping that chest mark - WHICH HE MADE AMENDS FOR BY WINNING THE BALL AND PASSING TO A TEAM-MATE INSIDE FIFTY - to leading too far up the ground to standing back and getting the ball kicked over his head.

Carey made a contest all night, tried to move and as usual busted packs and brought the ball to ground - it's not his fault Roger James, Nick Stevens, Josh Carr and Wanganeen actually bothered to crumb and do some work and we couldn't exploit this.

Three quarters of the side turned in a p1ss-weak performance last night - a selection:

Goodwin - so far from his AA form it's not funny. 25 touches last night but how many were damaging?
Ricciuto - Was useless.
Clarke and Biglands - Were outclassed by Dean Brogan who is developing into a class ruckman. Yes they got hitouts but around the ground both took less marks and had 2 more possessions combined than the ex-36er.
McLeod - Love the bloke - but Kane Cornes touched him up and made him ineffective.
Stevens - Where, who, what, why?

But let's bag Carey eh? He's a convenient scapegoat.

Hear, hear.

 

[DaveW]

I'll concede I was perhaps harsh in calling for Carey to be dropped. But I still would like to know why he appears to be going backwards rather than forwards in his progress this season.

 

[napsyd]

Originally posted by DaveW
I'll concede I was perhaps harsh in calling for Carey to be dropped. But I still would like to know why he appears to be going backwards rather than forwards in his progress this season.

Dave mate, the way our midfield delivered to him on Saturday, I thought they were trying to have him hospitalised.

If Macca, Goody and Roo deliver to him the way we know they can, the story will be very different.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by napsyd
Dave mate, the way our midfield delivered to him on Saturday, I thought they were trying to have him hospitalised.

If Macca, Goody and Roo deliver to him the way we know they can, the story will be very different.

It's a fair point but one I'm not totally sold on. Sometimes we have to kick long and I'd like to see our key forwards winning one-on-one contests. Aside from that I seem to recall at least one dropped chest mark and some errant kicks when he moved up the ground.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I think it is fair to say that our delivery to Carey & the rest of the forward line was shocking, but also Carey lost every 1 on 1 contest with Wakelin that I can recall. So both you Sydneyites are correct in a way.

 

[napsyd]

Originally posted by DaveW
It's a fair point but one I'm not totally sold on. Sometimes we have to kick long and I'd like to see our key forwards winning one-on-one contests. Aside from that I seem to recall at least one dropped chest mark and some errant kicks when he moved up the ground.

There is no doubt he was beaten one on one. But remember, he wasn't the only one beaten on the night.

The dropped chest mark was uncharacteristic but he did make amends by picking the ball up and hitting a target inside 50.

I agree we need to kick long, but perhaps we were also too one dimensional with the kick the ball long to Carey especially since he was clearly beaten?

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by napsyd
I agree we need to kick long, but perhaps we were also too one dimensional with the kick the ball long to Carey especially since he was clearly beaten?

One dimensional through necessity. Where were Stevens and Perrie to help shoulder the load? Ken McGregor did take that mark and kick truly once, but more often than not he looked like a lost lamb (oooh the alliteration) in the forward line.

Carey was the only tall option for the majority of the night, and when he did manage to break free of Wakelin - who was excellent - they either sent hospital balls to him or kicked over his head.
Case inpoint, during the last quarter the king went to lead then doubled back to the square gaining a break of roughly 15-20 on DW, invoking memories of Pagan's paddock - but alas the midfielder (i think it was JG) kicked to the phantom lead and we coughed it up.

 

[napsyd]

Originally posted by dyertribe
One dimensional through necessity. Where were Stevens and Perrie to help shoulder the load? Ken McGregor did take that mark and kick truly once, but more often than not he looked like a lost lamb (oooh the alliteration) in the forward line.

Yes agreed. So whose fault was this??

Perrie was getting a bit of the ball in the back line in the second half. But why was he there? Surely he would have taken a couple of grabs in the forward line. Surely this was more important an issue than our defensive position. We weren't going to win the game by defensive tactics.

Stevens was on the bench! At least if he was in the game he would have presented some form of other option. Perhaps created a crumb or two for Edwards/Burns/Ladhams.

The match day coaching left much to be desired IMO.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by napsyd
Yes agreed. So whose fault was this??

The match day coaching left much to be desired IMO.

You just answered your own question mate