Election mailout thoughts

[The Old Dark Navy's]

After reading these, I am pretty much uninspired ... on all sides.

The Unity part says nothing, DCT says more without specifics, Diggins is more impressive but ruins it by continuing to run a negative campaign IMO.

My thoughts:

Retain: Harrison, Moulton, Wilson, Smorgon

Harrison and Moulton have skills we need and seems to have a network capable of raising funds. The free legal advice and services from Wilson are vital (even though it hasn't seemed to have helped us much), Smorgon has the business connections and personal capabilities to put in (whether he will or not is another issue)

Out: Rose

Beginning to see that he rides on coattails. Most uninspiring write up for any of the board members.

Don't care either way: Diggins, Carr, Fried, Gleeson, Newton

Diggins has the passion but is there irreparable damage there? Carr, well if we could use his music industry connections somehow, things could be quite dynamic around the place. Does he have that much power? Fried, not every inspiring either but don't know enough to comment. Gleeson, fingerprints on a lot of the perceived wrongs and seems to jump fences, being an ex player doesn't save him but has business credentials. Newton, seems everyone rates him, social club director bit doesn't impress, need to know more.

Should come in: Littmann

Marketing, marketing, marketing

Maybe come in: Clarke

Another popular social club director, the write up again non inspiring. Nearly got in last time so maybe worth a shot. Suss, has a fairly good resume, and some PR credits might come in handy.

Don't want in: Fiore, sorry the USC connection doesn't impress me at all.

So no blanket support of one ticket. I would like to see 2-3 changes or 3-4 changes if one of those changes is Diggins. Not completely adverse to her remaining though, just not sure how it would work.

 

[BlueBelle]

As outlined in Diggins' literature, in order for your vote to be vaild, you need to eliminate a minimum of 4 candidates from the ballot paper when it comes time to vote.

In saying this, I completely agree with ODN regarding the Unity Ticket providing nothing and Driving Change Together adds a little more without being specific. Lauraine Diggins' literature is the most impressive but she did go a tad overboard in regards to the Watts Report and the exact happenings of that whole affair. I guess she is trying to set the record straight to how the events happened in her eyes anyway....

If I was to eliminate 4 candidates from reading all of the information received, then the 4 I would be waving goodbye to are Marcus Rose, Ralph Carr, Zac Fried and one of Marcus Clarke and Ari Suss.

I think Diggins having a seat on the Board keeps it real. She isn't a sheep and isn't scared to say what she thinks and stand up to the supposed "bullies" of the Board.

 

[HBF]

^^^^ I didn't get any voting mailouts as I was not a registered voter, but I have sent my paperwork back to the club.

Someone was going to scan the mailouts and email them to me - hmmm, I wonder who that could be?

 

[Salaryman]

^^^^ I didn't get any voting mailouts as I was not a registered voter, but I have sent my paperwork back to the club.

Someone was going to scan the mailouts and email them to me - hmmm, I wonder who that could be?

Bump

 

[sherb]

^^^^ I didn't get any voting mailouts as I was not a registered voter, but I have sent my paperwork back to the club.

Someone was going to scan the mailouts and email them to me - hmmm, I wonder who that could be?

Checking, checking....no, it wasn't me.

But I am happy to do so if no-one else is able to HBF. (Just PM me if I am needed).

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

As I wipe Rose, it seems he has been the major player in the ground redevelopment stage 2 plans and financing.

 

[BlueBelle]

^^^^ I didn't get any voting mailouts as I was not a registered voter, but I have sent my paperwork back to the club.

Someone was going to scan the mailouts and email them to me - hmmm, I wonder who that could be?

It's in your inbox mate.

 

[darren waitee]

Hi would be happy to fax all this info to you or mail it to you let me know

 

[darren waitee]

Smorgon Wilson Rose Gleeson Gone
Diggins must stay
Malouf must go
Time for change but whatever Smorgon must be shown the door

 

[Smell The Glove]

Nothing on earth will stop me from crossing Graham Smorgon's name from my ballot paper.

 

[BlueBelle]

If Smorgon doesn't get re-elected then who will be President?

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

hopefully someone better

 

[thylacine60]

Smorgon looked so nervous - scared even - when delivering the re-development press conference. I want a leader, not some pissweak dreamer in a suit.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

I still really think that we should all be questioning both sides of all arguments.

We can't just go with Smorgan because we are comfortable, yet we can't just go with change for sake of change.

Just listen to both sides please everyone.

It's odd how when a poster comes out and posts something on eg: Diggins, or states a view wanting to get rid of Smorgan, everyone labels them 'negative.'

There are a lot of passionate, well-informed and knowledgable supporters who are arguing both sides of this argument, i think it's only fair that everyone hears both sides. I just find it hard to beleive that people who love this club, would come out and say bad things for no reason. I'm sure there is a reason behind it all and perhaps instead of brushing it off as negativity, perhaps we should all question it and try to see it from another angle?

Just my thoughts again.

 

[sticks74]

Smorgon looked so nervous - scared even - when delivering the re-development press conference. I want a leader, not some pissweak dreamer in a suit.

Lets stop all the bullsh**t
What makes Smorgon a bad candidate? He has only been in the Job 8months FFS... Atleast the guy is standing up ready to fight it out, none of the board members are magicians are they???
With our debt and lack of Membership and Match Day crowds how the hell is a club like Carlton going to make a profit or break even???

I think we should stop all this Richmond like bickering and stand together, give the board a chance, Pay our bloody memberships and start really supporting our club...

Its amazing what winning games can do especially with our supporter base!

3-5 years in or around the finals and we will be back in a strong position...

GO BLUES, bring on the NAB cup and lets get to 32,000 members!

We are Carlton, soon we will be back "***king the rest"

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

It's odd how when a poster comes out and posts something on eg: Diggins, or states a view wanting to get rid of Smorgan, everyone labels them 'negative.'

That hasn't happened on this thread though AWG. You seem to have a perception that it is happening all the time. If someone is anti-Smorgon and outlines clear and concise reasons, then those disagree should articulate their argument clearly. Disagreeing is not wrong, how you disagree is all important. It probably isn't happening as much as you think it is though.

Try being on the upstream side of the argument. Some are labelled Smorgon plants for their views, and that is concentrated on more than what they say.

I think most people are judging the vibe of this whole thing from their own perspectives.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

I wasn't referring soley to this thread ODN.

And yes it is happening and perhaps that is why i have such a perception. I am not having a go at the following people because i normally respect their views and what they write. HOwever, it's just my point, that yes, it is happening, and yes, people do not like hearing the bad things about our club. the bits in bold just support the fact that many of us posters are extremely one sided. If something is said and they dont agree, they automatically disregard it.

mediumsizered:-

You have to understand this is the last thing the anti-Smorgonites wanted to hear just prior to the board election. The thought of us having a facility to rival Lexus Centre does not fit in with their campaign to remove Smorgon. It is an absolute 'spanner in the works' for those who want to elect some lightweight puppets to the board, to be manipulated as these faceless people see fit. Smorgon has trumped the opposition again. Surely these people should realise they are fighting way above their weight division.[/QUOTE]

audas:-

is one of the most desperate posts ive ever seen.[/QUOTE]

ODN:-

This was a paid advertisement for Carlton's Week From Hell Parts 6-10. Available at all good newsagents now.

HBF:-

Mate, we've all had enough of your negativity about the Carlton Football Club.

My point is, it is happening. Posters automatically accuse someone of being negative and their posts are disregarded as serious because these posts do not match up with certain people's views.

I would try to be on the upstream side of an argument, however I can't see any clear concrete positives on either side. I'm not voting. I am just hoping that whoever if voting, will listen to all sides of all arguments and make the best decision possible for our club

Originally posted by jj1978 Unless any one of us are a board member or have been inside the inner sanctum to know WTF is going on the only thing we can do is hope the guy who was elected president is doing the right thing.

At the end of the day, all our arguing is useless, we do not gain a thing from it. Well said jj1978. Let's just stick together and support our club!

ha. ODN, audas, HBF, medium, im' not having a go at you guys. I thought you were the only ones i could use as examples without having my head bitten off with remards of abuse thrown back at me.

Ploise explain boys

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

the bits in bold just support the fact that many of us posters are extremely one sided. If something is said and they dont agree, they automatically disregard it.

I think you will find that these posters have all argued and articulated their arguments over and over ad nauseam, only to have their points completely glossed over.

mediumsizered:-You have to understand this is the last thing the anti-Smorgonites wanted to hear just prior to the board election. The thought of us having a facility to rival Lexus Centre does not fit in with their campaign to remove Smorgon. It is an absolute 'spanner in the works' for those who want to elect some lightweight puppets to the board, to be manipulated as these faceless people see fit. Smorgon has trumped the opposition again. Surely these people should realise they are fighting way above their weight division.

In direct reference to those that were critical of Unity for not having any vision, then immediately upon the release of the development plan, critical of Unity for having flawed vision.

As for my post, when someone cuts and pastes the same thing in several threads, refused to debate points to the contrary, refused to properly articulate their argument ... yes, I will dismiss them. That is not to say I didn't give them a hearing the first, second or third times. Context is all important AWG. If someone says something and I argue the point. Then they ignore my points and restate the same argument, who is the one being unreasonable? I can't exactly keep restating my same points that have been ignored previously. I simply do not have the time.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Yep.

You see ODN, my problem is that i was reading what you wrote and trying to understand.


And then i got to the end and i thought, fair enough, but then i read your signature, and then, i just laughed


But i definately was trying to understand.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Ummm .... yes .... then we are all good huh? .... I think.

Now if only we can just name all those 'fun' activities.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

btw HBF was the only one who trotted out the negativity line. I recommend chemical castration as a punishment. Now, who wants to administer the punishment?

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Ooh i'll do it so long as i dont get any poison chemicals on my hands...

I wasn't having a go at any of you guys, i was just trying to understand, and kind of was stirring you a bit only because i know i can

 

[Smell The Glove]

Interesting that the Carlton Unity ticket 'supports' Ari Suss (who has a background in political advisory) on the DCT ticket over someone with a marketing background (Paul Littmann) which we are so desperately suffering from. Has the right 'skill set'? Read: spin doctor.