Fallout: 2022

[Seadog]

Royals .......I think tuggas just trying to keep it real....positives and negatives... ...not just negative all the time

I must admit I get very negative at times on this board especially game day when we are getting flogged .....that's emotions getting the better of me

Yeah we all do to varying degrees, sometimes though you have to remember it's just a game and we follow it for the fun it provides. Gotta look for the positives or laugh at the negatives sometimes.

 

[Pottering]

Brander is not a JK. if anything he got played out of position a lot of the time. Not sure if he should have been thrown into the midfield

Brander was in the midfield before we effectively delisted him. Has all the attributes of a footballer but hasn't got the attitude to capitalise on them.

 

[giffler]

Without JK what’s the point anymore

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Softening of the surface at both Lathlain and Optus

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Softening of the surface at both Lathlain and Optus

That would be a start

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[Cuzz09]

I'm genuinely concerned the club will blame our worst ever season on covid and not make the required changes that typically happen when you're at this point.

The fact that only Kennedy is retiring of our older brigade is a huge red flag.

you can just see it

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[CursoryMercenary]

We could do with whats happening at Essendon at the moment. Change.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

As the numbers have fallen away on the WC big footy forum, so have they in the general public……..WC are crap to watch, so much so that people aren’t attending games they aren’t tuning in.
That’s the biggest fallout from this year!
The opening bounce of last weeks game featured Gaff and Nelson as starting midfielders
That’s 100% on Simmo, that’s his choice.
Can we please stop pretending that he’s a good coach.

 

[ziad]

As the numbers have fallen away on the WC big footy forum, so have they in the general public……..WC are crap to watch, so much so that people aren’t attending games they aren’t tuning in.
That’s the biggest fallout from this year!
The opening bounce of last weeks game featured Gaff and Nelson as starting midfielders
That’s 100% on Simmo, that’s his choice.
Can we please stop pretending that he’s a good coach.

Spot on, he could have had SPS and some WAFL dude in there instead of tough , hard loyal soldiers that gave 120%.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I think they have already clearly signalled very minimum change. And i have been trying to work out why?

There are times in life when you have your own opinion of things and what should be done, but you also realise and acknowledge that there are sound and plausible counter arguments for a different course of action. You might not agree with them in the end but you recognise it is not a black and white situation and there are other reasonable counter arguments. This is not one of those times. If you are looking at the problems the club has and starting with the premise that we clearly don't have a top 8 list, and you define the desired objective as being to get back into the top 8 as soon as possible with a list that is/will improve over time, as opposed to a one off flash in the pan of making the 8 for one year, and ideally become a top 4 list eventually, then the course of action seem pretty clear - eat your vegetables, move on players over 27 who are not top 10 players at the club, get as many games as possible into your young players, start salary dumping and creating cap space for future acquisitions, keep your draft picks as opposed to buying 27 year olds from other clubs, and nail them and accept a bottom 4 finish for at least the next two seasons as being part of the price that has be paid for doing this. But they are not doing it. Instead they are planning to do the exact opposite. And they are not stupid people.

The only theory i have that explains the club's behaviour is a total lack of confidence in the young players at the club coupled with financial fears of bottoming out right at this moment. And it is a bad moment to bottom out. We are about to have an inflationary recession as a result of insane government money printing. Being in the bottom 4 during an inflationary recession and having the most expensive memberships in the country and the highest overheads of any club given we have to fund the entire WA footy system along with Freo is a very ugly situation to be in. I think they are worried about the bottom falling out financially if we stay in the bottom 4 and do a proper rebuild at this moment in time given the state of the economy. It is a pretty easy decision to make to not renew your $800 footy membership when inflation is biting you and you didn't really enjoy going to the footy and watching us lose 10 of the 11 games at home anyway.

I think they are going with what i will call the "Prop 'em Up Strategy". I think they think that if they keep flogging the dead horse by playing all the old guys they might be able to get to 7 - 9 wins next year and the year after with a bit of luck, as opposed to 2 - 5 wins in they go for a proper rebuild. And that might be enough to keep enough members interested in renewing to stop us plunging into the red financially. They know that it will slow down the timeline for getting back into the 8 and getting back into a flag window. But maybe their priority is to get through the next two years financially without too many members bailing out and they think that propping the list up somewhere near the middle part of the ladder is the only way to do it, even if it drastically slows down the regeneration. They would be very, very worried about the impact of their economy of the membership renewals and i think this is the only thing that explains the decisions they are making.

 

[ziad]

We could do with whats happening at Essendon at the moment. Change.

I think you will find that is just back stabbing

 

[RookiePick]

We could do with whats happening at Essendon at the moment. Change.

We're doing our own version of imploding quite nicely. We don't need to import Vicco implosion techniques.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Honestly, 2022 isn't the problem on its own. The slide began way back in 2019, when the squad began to pick and choose when to put the foot down, apply pressure, and frequently put in below par efforts for large portions of games. 'Time to Hunt' became 'Time to Hunt, When I Feel Like It'. Whether this was strategic or not is irrelevant to me. The rot that is 2022 has been coming for some time, and has been a gradual slide. I'm concerned that Simpson and the coaching staff doubled down on us through the Kelly trade, when in reality that was putting lipstick on a pig.

Even our future captain in Barrass admitted to lacking motivation after the flag. Yeesh. The Tigers didn't stop after one. Why did we?

Nothing about this year should have come as a surprise. It does, however, come as a disappointment. As do many of the club's efforts on a number of fronts right now.

I'm very apprehensive about next year, because I don't think the changes will be as deep as they need to be. The club as a whole lacks a bit of self-awareness right now - just look at that abomination of a song, for example.

Someone restore my faith in our organisation please.

 

[ziad]

Honestly, 2022 isn't the problem on its own. The slide began way back in 2019, when the squad began to pick and choose when to put the foot down, apply pressure, and frequently put in below par efforts for large portions of games. 'Time to Hunt' became 'Time to Hunt, When I Feel Like It'. Whether this was strategic or not is irrelevant to me. The rot that is 2022 has been coming for some time, and has been a gradual slide. I'm concerned that Simpson and the coaching staff doubled down on us through the Kelly trade, when in reality that was putting lipstick on a pig.

Even our future captain in Barrass admitted to lacking motivation after the flag. Yeesh. The Tigers didn't stop after one. Why did we?

Nothing about this year should have come as a surprise. It does, however, come as a disappointment. As do many of the club's efforts on a number of fronts right now.

I'm very apprehensive about next year, because I don't think the changes will be as deep as they need to be. The club as a whole lacks a bit of self-awareness right now - just look at that abomination of a song, for example.

Someone restore my faith in our organisation please.

A comfortable group living in a bubble without a passion to kill and win at all costs. Management, support, players. Thats what you get. Call it self awareness if you like.

 

[KERRPOW]

I'm very apprehensive about next year, because I don't think the changes will be as deep as they need to be. The club as a whole lacks a bit of self-awareness right now - just look at that abomination of a song, for example.

Agree.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I think they have already clearly signalled very minimum change. And i have been trying to work out why?

There are times in life when you have your own opinion of things and what should be done, but you also realise and acknowledge that there are sound and plausible counter arguments for a different course of action. You might not agree with them in the end but you recognise it is not a black and white situation and there are other reasonable counter arguments. This is not one of those times. If you are looking at the problems the club has and starting with the premise that we clearly don't have a top 8 list, and you define the desired objective as being to get back into the top 8 as soon as possible with a list that is/will improve over time, as opposed to a one off flash in the pan of making the 8 for one year, and ideally become a top 4 list eventually, then the course of action seem pretty clear - eat your vegetables, move on players over 27 who are not top 10 players at the club, get as many games as possible into your young players, start salary dumping and creating cap space for future acquisitions, keep your draft picks as opposed to buying 27 year olds from other clubs, and nail them and accept a bottom 4 finish for at least the next two seasons as being part of the price that has be paid for doing this. But they are not doing it. Instead they are planning to do the exact opposite. And they are not stupid people.

The only theory i have that explains the club's behaviour is a total lack of confidence in the young players at the club coupled with financial fears of bottoming out right at this moment. And it is a bad moment to bottom out. We are about to have an inflationary recession as a result of insane government money printing. Being in the bottom 4 during an inflationary recession and having the most expensive memberships in the country and the highest overheads of any club given we have to fund the entire WA footy system along with Freo is a very ugly situation to be in. I think they are worried about the bottom falling out financially if we stay in the bottom 4 and do a proper rebuild at this moment in time given the state of the economy. It is a pretty easy decision to make to not renew your $800 footy membership when inflation is biting you and you didn't really enjoy going to the footy and watching us lose 10 of the 11 games at home anyway.

I think they are going with what i will call the "Prop 'em Up Strategy". I think they think that if they keep flogging the dead horse by playing all the old guys they might be able to get to 7 - 9 wins next year and the year after with a bit of luck, as opposed to 2 - 5 wins in they go for a proper rebuild. And that might be enough to keep enough members interested in renewing to stop us plunging into the red financially. They know that it will slow down the timeline for getting back into the 8 and getting back into a flag window. But maybe their priority is to get through the next two years financially without too many members bailing out and they think that propping the list up somewhere near the middle part of the ladder is the only way to do it, even if it drastically slows down the regeneration. They would be very, very worried about the impact of their economy of the membership renewals and i think this is the only thing that explains the decisions they are making.

You’re thinking of North Melbourne.

The Eagles have more money than God and are one of the few AFL clubs in a spot to absorb any of the financial hardships of late, and in the coming years.

Don’t get me wrong, the lads at HQ love their money and assuming the motivation is money is a sound approach in 90% of Eagles scenarios, but I doubt they’re trying to prop up the list with stop gap options so we win seven games not three. Flags, finals, success gets people going. A slightly less bad season hardly gets the fans racing to their wallets.

Must be noted, crowds wise, we’ve averaged 36.5k to Freo’s 39.1k (both clubs had a few games with less than max capacity dragging things down further), which is the first time in however long we’re below them but hardly the gap you’d expect from a top four side to a bottom two side. We’re not in a bad position to absorb costs.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

After Saturday we will have another 8 loss in row, we had a 9 loss run earlier in the season. Must be quite rare to have such records in the one season. I'm confident if things don't turn around next season Simpson will get sacked, we can't have a run of 15 losses in a row and fans not turning up to games rightly so.

I'm not too optimistic about next year already, giving contracts to the older bridgade needs to reach a point I feel that we can't re-sign all of Naitnaui, Redden, Hurn. I just don't see the point; we need to start developing players for those positions NOW, not in two seasons time. NN I can understand as we are literally starved for talent in that department, he just needs to get fit and work harder over pre-season.

We'll get a much softer draw next season so there is a slight opening for improvement although I wouldn't rate our draw this season as particularly tough having avoided long trips to N.T, NSW, TAS. Only bad one is this weekend.

 

[ziad]

You’re thinking of North Melbourne.

The Eagles have more money than God and are one of the few AFL clubs in a spot to absorb any of the financial hardships of late, and in the coming years.

Don’t get me wrong, the lads at HQ love their money and assuming the motivation is money is a sound approach in 90% of Eagles scenarios, but I doubt they’re trying to prop up the list with stop gap options so we win seven games not three. Flags, finals, success gets people going. A slightly less bad season hardly gets the fans racing to their wallets.

Must be noted, crowds wise, we’ve averaged 36.5k to Freo’s 39.1k (both clubs had a few games with less than max capacity dragging things down further), which is the first time in however long we’re below them but hardly the gap you’d expect from a top four side to a bottom two side. We’re not in a bad position to absorb costs.

dont we need 35000 in attendance to break even?

 

[Byron_Clanger]

We could do with whats happening at Essendon at the moment. Change.

Change what exactly? The coach? Replace him with who? Crows camp extraordinaire Don Pyke? Sumich? There's no one out there that you could say is an upgrade over him.

I would say reviewing the medical staff should be the key priority right now because the amount of injuries and the length of injuries that have hit our best players since 2019 has been an absolute joke.

 

[jdisc]

Even our future captain in Barrass admitted to lacking motivation after the flag. Yeesh. The Tigers didn't stop after one. Why did we?

Mischaracterisation of what he said. Here's the quote:

You’ve got an idea about what an experience like that (a winning grand final) will be like, and you’ve formed the idea from when you were a very young child... and seeing Sam Butler and Benny Cousins on your wall with the cup and the medal, you think it’s going to give you this endless sense of fulfilment because it’s all you’ve ever wanted, you go through this experience and it’s so different to what you first imagined in all sorts of ways and you notice in a month’s time or in three months’ time or whatever, it’s not everything that it was meant to be. And that doesn’t mean it was a let-down at all - I loved every single second of it. But it was so different to how I always pictured, that I think it leaves you a bit directionless for a little while.


I think it’s very hard for your high-end players too because your Luke Shueys, your Josh Kennedys, even Schoey (Will Schofield), Gov (Jeremy McGovern), they’ve got All-Australians, they’ve got 200 games, they’ve played in a good side for a long time. They’ve been missing one thing and it’s a premiership medallion and it’s been their biggest drawing from what, you go into the bag, ‘what’s motivating me today? Why am I here?


And now they’ve won this premiership medal and they’ve got it, what’s left to draw on? You’ve got all the accolades you need, you’re an established player, you’re a club champion, what now? Do you just keep going forever?

If we're going to use this as evidence that the boys 'lack motivation', then why is Barrass our best player right now? Why would he bother?

 

[Cuzz09]

If we can win 5-8 games next year I feel like that will be a good step for a possible finals push In 2024

Need a big pre season and fresh mindset.



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[jdisc]

We could do with whats happening at Essendon at the moment. Change.

15 debutants this year and a retirement, not much else you can do before the off-season (unless you're suggesting the club sack Simpson during the season?)

 

[bzparkes]

Hopefully FallOut: 2022 is much better than Fallout 76. That was rubbish.

 

[bzparkes]

Imagine using Essendon as an example of what our club should be doing...

 

[Doashuey]

We could do with whats happening at Essendon at the moment. Change.