Five Things I Hate Hearing in the Outer

[jmorg1]

The one thing I hate hearing the most:

Craig is the frontrunner for the job.

 

[jc67]

The thing I hate is "excuse me will you let me get past" At any time during the game.

I also hate it when a bored kid is kicking the seat behind me and his dad wont tell him to stop. (because I have to) (better with the new seats)

 

[-WWJD-]

I hate when people put their blankets down to reserve their seats in the Members, go off to the pub or McDonalds and don't come back until ten seconds into the game and you miss the next minute of play while they squeeze past you.

I hate the woman that sits near us who seems to think everything that's ever gone wrong in the history of the world is Mark Ricciuto's fault. He didn't deserve his brownlow, he's soft, he can't hit a target, he's slow. Shut the hell up woman!

 

[gundy]

I hate the woman that sits near us who seems to think everything that's ever gone wrong in the history of the world is Mark Ricciuto's fault. He didn't deserve his brownlow, he's soft, he can't hit a target, he's slow. Shut the hell up woman!

so you sit next to Nathan Buckley's mum

 

[arrowman]

Well, today (v Richmond) I let it out for the first time.

All through the first quarter (when admittedly we weren't playing well) there was a bloke behind me saying nothing but "STUPID!", "OH, GOD!", "WHO WAS THAT TO?" etc. He was silent when the Crows did something good, and for the rest of the game after quarter time. Good supporter.

But the clincher was - I heard (from a number of people) "run at him!!!" just once too often. So finally lost it, and made a little speech, to no-one in particular, about how running at a player from a distance is actually not a good thing to do, finishing with "Geez we've got some football geniuses in this crowd!".

I got a few turned heads, smiles and nodding. I think I made my point.

Next week we will work on "how a zone defence works at kick-ins".

 

[ok.crows]

I loved it when Eddie got pinged the other day (I can't remember by who) for calling "Dropping the ball!" when there is no such rule.

Actually, there is such a rule. It is just that the rule is called "incorrect disposal" not "dropping the ball".

Having said that, I would note that everything else you have noted in this thread is spot on.

 

[arrowman]

Actually, there is such a rule. It is just that the rule is called "incorrect disposal" not "dropping the ball".

Having said that, I would note that everything else you have noted in this thread is spot on.

Hmmm, thanks for that - I'll look it up when time permits. Always good to learn.

 

[-WWJD-]

When Biglands missed that first shot on goal I heard a chorus of "I could've kicked that."

 

[redandblack]

When Biglands missed that first shot on goal I heard a chorus of "I could've kicked that."

They probably could have!

 

[Cap]

Well, today (v Richmond) I let it out for the first time.

All through the first quarter (when admittedly we weren't playing well) there was a bloke behind me saying nothing but "STUPID!", "OH, GOD!", "WHO WAS THAT TO?" etc. He was silent when the Crows did something good, and for the rest of the game after quarter time. Good supporter.

But the clincher was - I heard (from a number of people) "run at him!!!" just once too often. So finally lost it, and made a little speech, to no-one in particular, about how running at a player from a distance is actually not a good thing to do, finishing with "Geez we've got some football geniuses in this crowd!".

I got a few turned heads, smiles and nodding. I think I made my point.

Next week we will work on "how a zone defence works at kick-ins".

i really dont think some Adelaide supporters will ever get that around thier heads,

i tried the same tatic in the members trying to explain what a zone defence is and why players didnt "man up" - failed miserably

 

[Cronos]

Closest you'll find is law 15.2.3(b): Holding the Football

The Field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against that Player if, upon being Correctly Tackled, the Player does not Correctly Dispose or attempt to Correctly Dispose of the football after being given a reasonable opportunity to do so

 

[Mad Dog]

i really dont think some Adelaide supporters will ever get that around thier heads,

i tried the same tatic in the members trying to explain what a zone defence is and why players didnt "man up" - failed miserably

Face it - a lot of Football "supporters" in general don't understand the subtleties of the game anyway. As much as I hate to admit it - I think the majority of our supporters are in this category. I've learnt to just ignore the comments re tactics and "why doesnt he........." stuff around me 'cos it detracts from my viewing experience !!

 

[arrowman]

Closest you'll find is law 15.2.3(b): Holding the Football

Yeah, I thought that might be the case but I wasn't going to argue until I had done my research (which I have not had time to do). My belief is reaffirmed that there is no such rule as "dropping the ball" or even "incorrect disposal". I will stand corrected if someone with more spare time than me can give me chapter and verse.

 

[gundy]

Yeah, I thought that might be the case but I wasn't going to argue until I had done my research (which I have not had time to do). My belief is reaffirmed that there is no such rule as "dropping the ball" or even "incorrect disposal". I will stand corrected if someone with more spare time than me can give me chapter and verse.

Your absolutely correct arrowman, there is no such rule as "dropping the ball" or "incorrect disposal".

When an umpire awards a free for "Holding The Ball" against a player who has disposed of the ball he may say "incorrect disposal" to the player penalised as an explanation as to why he was pinged when no longer in possession.

 

[Tyson20]

15.2.3 Holding the Football – Prior Opportunity/No Prior Opportunity
Where the field Umpire is satisfied that a Player in possession of the football:
(a) has had a prior opportunity to dispose of the football, the field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against that Player if the Player does not Kick or Handball the football immediately when he or she is Correctly Tackled; or
(b) has not had a prior opportunity to dispose of the football, the field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against that Player if, upon being Correctly Tackled, the Player does not Correctly Dispose or attempt to Correctly Dispose of the football after being given a reasonable opportunity to do so.

i would say that the call of "incorrect disposal" stems from this rule. incorrect disposal is an interpretation of this rule that the umpire has to make. more to do with the second part than the first...

EDIT: oops Cronos had already posted...

 

[arrowman]

Indeed, and that is the subtle but important difference. The playe r is not penalised for "incorrect disposal" - they are penalised for not disposing of the ball via a legal means.

The best way I can think of to explain this is - imagine a player running along with the ball, and (through clumsiness) drops it without being tackled. Does the umpire pay a free kick for "incorrect disposal"? Of course not.

 

[NikkiNoo]

The umpires not only get the rule book but they also receive sheets on 'interpretations of the rules'. In order to fully understand decisions made you also need these sheets (which are sent to the clubs as well). I am pretty sure there was one about 'incorrect disposal' in relation to holding the ball rule.

 

[arrowman]

Hehe, this is getting way too pedantic for anyone's good but I'll just say
1. Interpretations are not rules. There is no "dropping the ball" rule.
2. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that umpires don't need to be told via an interpretation sheet what is "incorrect disposal" - there are only two ways of disposing of the ball correctly (kick or handpass) and everything else is incorrect. They don't single out "dropping".

 

[Tyson20]

Hehe, this is getting way too pedantic for anyone's good but I'll just say
1. Interpretations are not rules. There is no "dropping the ball" rule.
2. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that umpires don't need to be told via an interpretation sheet what is "incorrect disposal" - there are only two ways of disposing of the ball correctly (kick or handpass) and everything else is incorrect. They don't single out "dropping".

how many times do we hear people yelling out, "how did he get rid of it umpire?"

your correct, there is no rule for "dropping the ball." however a player will be free kicked if he does not dispose of the ball correctly, hence incorrectly disposing of the footy. no wonder umpires get confused

and your correct again, "interpretations" are not rules, but they are essentially what the players need to abide by, because the umpires interpretations are what the game is played by. how an umpire is directed to interpret the Laws of the Game, is how the game will be played. hence all the grey areas come into the game.

Oh its a simple game footy!

So Eddie yelling out, "dropping the ball" wasnt exactly incorrect. however even though the player may have "dropped" the ball (incorrectll disposed of it), the umpire then needs to determine whether he had prior opportunity to dispose of the ball etc etc...well at least thats my understanding of it anyway. probably way off!

thats one interpretation of one part of a rule, gee whiz who would be an umpire!

 

[gundy]

how many times do we hear people yelling out, "how did he get rid of it umpire?"

your correct, there is no rule for "dropping the ball." however a player will be free kicked if he does not dispose of the ball correctly, hence incorrectly disposing of the footy. no wonder umpires get confused

but the umpire still explains this to the player pinged for holding the ball as incorrect disposal not did not dispose of the ball correctly. The latter is too much of a mouthfull (sic) especially to a bloke that probably has trouble with words of more than one syllable

gee whiz who would be an umpire!

me

 

[Tyson20]

but the umpire still explains this to the player pinged for holding the ball as incorrect disposal not did not dispose of the ball correctly.

thats my point! it is infact, "incorrect disposal" if you dont dispose of the ball in a correct manner ie kick or handball. so altho a player will free kicked for holding the ball, the reason for that would be because a) he had had prior opportunity and b) he failed to dispose of the ball correctly once tackled correctly (ie: incorrect disposal[b/])

so the umpire is correct when a player says "what for?" and the ump says "incorrect disposal!"

 

[arrowman]

Don't forget that a player who has NOT had prior opportunity may still be pinged for "holding the ball" IF he has his hands free enough to dispose of the ball legally, and fails to do so.

Holding on to the ball when tackled is the same as dropping it. It is failure to dispose of the ball legally.

You are not penalised for "dropping the ball", you are penalised for not disposing of it legally when tackled.

You are not being penalised for what you DID do, you are being penalised for what you DID NOT do.

Like I said before - fine line, and pedantic perhaps, but there you go, that's me all over

 

[NikkiNoo]

Hehe, this is getting way too pedantic for anyone's good but I'll just say
1. Interpretations are not rules. There is no "dropping the ball" rule.
2. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that umpires don't need to be told via an interpretation sheet what is "incorrect disposal" - there are only two ways of disposing of the ball correctly (kick or handpass) and everything else is incorrect. They don't single out "dropping".

Yes but they are 'guided' by the afl umpiring department to lean towards certain 'interpretations'. I do know this as i once made the huge mistake of actually going out with one of the current afl umpires (everyone is allowed one huge mistake in their life right?)

They are told to look closely at certain rules/interpretations each week.

 

[arrowman]

Yes but they are 'guided' by the afl umpiring department to lean towards certain 'interpretations'. I do know this as i once made the huge mistake of actually going out with one of the current afl umpires (everyone is allowed one huge mistake in their life right?)

They are told to look closely at certain rules/interpretations each week.

What you say is widely known. You didn't have to debase yourself to find that out

Yes, but - yes, but - yes, but - the point of the discussion is - is there a rule called "dropping the ball" or anything like it? Do players get penalised for "dropping the ball"?

No, there is no such rule. As I said before - when a player is pinged under the "holding the ball" rule, he is pinged for what he DID NOT do (dispose of the ball legally), not for what he DID DO (drop the ball).

 

[NikkiNoo]

What you say is widely known. You didn't have to debase yourself to find that out QUOTE]

Oh I know - the things we do sometimes But at least I can now say I have made my one mistake!

At least now I can really personally abuse some umpires! and you should hear my mother go off at the guy! It's great fun to watch and listen to, but warning to anyone at this weekends games

i agree there is no rule such as dropping the ball or incorrect disposal (but I agree that most people think it is as instead of saying to a player "you did not dispose of the ball correctly" so they say "incorrect disposal" as a short quick answer)