Analysis Five things we learned v Brisbane

[2bitHero]

Hi folks, long time lurker and too-few poster here, aiming to change that in season 2015.

To that end, I wrote a short piece wrapping up a few key points out of Saturday nights win in Brisbane, and Id be honoured if you read my thoughts here:

http://www.nogreyarea.com.au/2015/04/06/8637/five-things-we-learned-from-round-1-v-brisbane

Let me know what you think!

 

[JB1975]

Hi folks, long time lurker and too-few poster here, aiming to change that in season 2015.

To that end, I wrote a short piece wrapping up a few key points out of Saturday nights win in Brisbane, and Id be honoured if you read my thoughts here:

http://www.nogreyarea.com.au/2015/04/06/8637/five-things-we-learned-from-round-1-v-brisbane

Let me know what you think!

Thanks for the good piece. I certainly agree that our defence is a work in progress, and there will be some weeks when it is horribly exposed (in my nightmares I see a torrent of brown and gold jumpers, little men named Puopolo doing big-man things, big men named Roughead doing little-man things), but it did the job on Saturday night.

My only point to the contrary would be to say that Toovey is not the new Maxwell, but he did start looking like the old Toovey. For this I was thankful. Meanwhile, young Langdon got me all excited by conjuring a good impression of Jimmy Clement. For this, I was very excited indeed.

 

[JB1975]

One more point. You mention that we had 12 marks inside 50. I remember the AFL website suggesting that we had 17 marks inside 50, a figure which impressed me mightily...if only we could have capitalised on that good work.

 

[DrDavoren]

Good article I woould echo the points above, definitely see Langdon as Clement MkII.

The best thing to come out of it was our spread of goal kickers, and will be good if we can build on the first up appearance with Broomhead, Kennedy and Karnesis knocking at the door.

 

[Kirby]

Our structure looked much better with Cloke playing mostly further out from goal as it seemed to open things up. I was also impressed by our blokes lowering their eyes a couple of times to hit up short passes and I'm talking blokes you wouldn't expect that from like Fas and Cloke himself.

I'm very impressed by Langdon. Whilst he doesn't remind me in playing style that much of Clement he has his coolness and nous when under pressure. Can't teach that stuff.

 

[mike123]

I think Toover played well, but decent footskills...

Its pushing it IMO.

 

[eddiebankbalance]

I learnt that Brisbane are ordinary and we are better than them

 

[Robroy22]

I agree on Cloke being at CHF, Tooves back to somewhere near his best, the young backline yes (its a very young team altogether), Grundy doing a wonderful job yes, Adams and Crisp being workhorses, Blair tackling everything that moved as well as kicking a couple of goals....all great.
But the two big things I learned from sat night were:
1. That Steele Sidebottom was ready to go from good to great midfielder and now we have to wait a coupla months for him to get back onto the park. Bucks can claim depth but you don't replace silk with cotton.
2. The game plan was finally demonstrated. Less numbers at the contest, more numbers around it and behind it ready to take the ball from inside to out and forward quickly.

Adelaide will be a far greater challenge and based on their win last weekend they could be most intimidatory. One contest I want to see though is Cloke on Tahlia when Cloke has the room to run as a CHF. Last year the umps let Tahlia (et al) hang onto Cloke and block him out of contests all game. Lets see Tahlia do that out in the open. Clokey could kick a bag at one end and he'll need to, because Tex is gonna do the same at the other end.

 

[TradeDraft]

The kids could be ok. Taylor Adams was near best on ground for the Pies, operating as both a run-with player and someone trusted to go and get his own ball. With Sidebottom set to be sidelined for a few weeks, his growth is going to be even more important. Meanwhile Crisp showed he can play a bit, Oxley did some nice running in the first half before fading late, and Grundy rucked solo for nearly the entire night, comfortably winning the battle against the Leuenberger-Martin tandem, if not at the bounce then certainly with his mobility around the ground. It’s a long season, but there are definite signs of life in the youth movement.

Agree - Was good to see Promise from the Kids

 

[2bitHero]

One more point. You mention that we had 12 marks inside 50. I remember the AFL website suggesting that we had 17 marks inside 50, a figure which impressed me mightily...if only we could have capitalised on that good work.

Spot on JB, just triple checked and I was wrong. Will amend the article now, thanks for picking that up!

 

[jasonwilde]

Our structure looked much better with Cloke playing mostly further out from goal as it seemed to open things up. I was also impressed by our blokes lowering their eyes a couple of times to hit up short passes and I'm talking blokes you wouldn't expect that from like Fas and Cloke himself.

I'm very impressed by Langdon. Whilst he doesn't remind me in playing style that much of Clement he has his coolness and nous when under pressure. Can't teach that stuff.

This. So much this. All of it.

 

[jasonwilde]

Spot on JB, just triple checked and I was wrong. Will amend the article now, thanks for picking that up!

Still a good article mate

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Good stuff 2bitHero . You should drop in more often.

On the backline player comparisons, I don't think Tooves is anything like Maxwell. Tooves is the athletic quiet type with excellent one on one defensive skills. Max was the assertive leader type who read the play well as an orchestrator but was a poor defender. Although I would only rate Maxwell's kicking skills as decent, Toovey's are far short of that. They are polar opposites in my view, with their only similarities being their dogged competitiveness and toughness.

I would go with something like....

Langdon - Maxwell with better kicking skills.
Sinclair - Benny Johnson.
Reid - A taller Clement. He can read the play, defend and hit laser beams just like Jimmy. He is unproven on smalls though but probably better on the super talls.
Brown - Presti.

 

[Rusty22]

1. Grundy is coming of age.
2.Langdon is going to be a superstar.
3. Cloke plays better when he is pushed up the field.
4. Jarryd Blair can actuallly still play very well.
5. Dayne Beams isnt very damaging, 80% of his disposals were handballs.

 

[Kipz]

I don't get why every new player has to be a reincarnation of an old player, football is a different game to when Clement played and I can't see anyone in our side that looks anything like him, would be good though.


Beams isn't Ablett, Brisbane supporters may have thought he was going to slot in and carry their midfield by getting 30+ touches a game and kicking a few goals but he doesn't have the support around him like he did at Collingwood. His work wasn't noticeable because of the lack of quality on the end of his 65 handballs or whatever it was. His brother was much more devastating.

Christensen is a campaigner. I wanted to see Cloke, White and Grundy run through him all night. At the same time. Twice

Conditions suited Blair's game, not going to say he's back to his best yet but he was good.

Cloke is going to turn Buckley's hair grey within 2-3 years. The one he missed from barely 20 meters out was a joke, I guess this isn't knew though.


Toovey had grunt again, Oxley looks to have a decent set of foot skills and it was good to see Swan get a few touches

 

[Anzacday]

Cloke is going to turn Buckley's hair grey within 2-3 years. The one he missed from barely 20 meters out was a joke, I guess this isn't new though.

As the Crows say - that happened right in front of me.
He couldn't believe it, while the ball went up the other end he walked over and looked up at the goal post in disbelief.
Almost like he thought someone had moved it!

 

[ClaytonM]

I don't get why every new player has to be a reincarnation of an old player, football is a different game to when Clement played and I can't see anyone in our side that looks anything like him, would be good though.


Beams isn't Ablett, Brisbane supporters may have thought he was going to slot in and carry their midfield by getting 30+ touches a game and kicking a few goals but he doesn't have the support around him like he did at Collingwood. His work wasn't noticeable because of the lack of quality on the end of his 65 handballs or whatever it was. His brother was much more devastating.

Christensen is a campaigner. I wanted to see Cloke, White and Grundy run through him all night. At the same time. Twice

Conditions suited Blair's game, not going to say he's back to his best yet but he was good.

Cloke is going to turn Buckley's hair grey within 2-3 years. The one he missed from barely 20 meters out was a joke, I guess this isn't knew though.


Toovey had grunt again, Oxley looks to have a decent set of foot skills and it was good to see Swan get a few touches

Thought C Beams foot skills were excellent. He impressed the hell out of me.

 

[Black_White]

Point 6 of 5.
When Steele went down we went backwards.

 

[jmac70]

I learnt that some people should have more faith in the players selected.

 

[2bitHero]

Still a good article mate

Ha, cheers Jason, and to others for their feedback. Will definitely keep adding to the discussion.

 

[iGNITER]

I learnt that some people should have more faith in the players selected.

Agreed.
Keep this in mind this week.

 

[PieNSauce]

I learned how much fun it is to read the Brisbane board! most entertaining.

 

[Anzacday]

I learned how nice it is without Lions supporters posting on our board.
They were all over us last year after that debacle at the G, (wonder why they've stopped?).
Incidentally they were right, when they said losing Beams didn't impact the result

 

[Soaring Magpie]

I learnt that we are heading in the right direction, looks like the game plan has been tinkered with and it worked,
Having numbers outside the contest when the ball is fed out, in stead of 3 or 4 being sucked in to contest it was only 1 or 2. which also helped defend if the opposition won the contest.
Lots to like out of that first up performance.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I think Toover played well, but decent footskills...

Its pushing it IMO.

I'll say about Toovey what I've always said about Toovey, he's great....until he tries to dispose of the football by hand of foot. He can beat his man, and lock him down, but he should NOT be trying to dispose of it in anyway. If Toovey has zero disposals for a match, odds are, we've won that match.