Discussion Footy First....my AR$E.

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

Don't respond to the troll guys, it gets off on it.

 

[CHBench]

Per the Urban Dictionary:

14. nexus odd lookin mook


dude did you see that nexus


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?page=2&term=nexus

Great site!

Re Footy First - you also hated Butterss... Prob time you actually support something!

anyone read number 15?

 

[cartwright]

anyone read number 15?

ha ha ha

 

[Sir Robert]

anyone read number 15?

Hahahahahahaha - no I didn't. That one was gold!

Prob would have been carded if I posted it tho

 

[TassieSaint]

bahahaha mouth like a bagel..., can't wait to use that one in real life.

there are some strange and disturbing people on urban dictionary

 

[bubblegoose]

bahahaha mouth like a bagel..., can't wait to use that one in real life.

there are some strange and disturbing people on urban dictionary

yeah, that one's on the shortlist, have you tried yourself tassie?

 

[Signd Sealed Saint]

Honestly.. Cbf with you Nexus, you're just an idiot...

 

[NeXus_Helen]

Within the next 3 years St kilda will be on the bottom and going to the AFL and requesting assisance. Since the closure of Waverly Hawthorn and St kilda have gone their seperate ways.

St kilda chose Docklands, Hawthorn chose MCG.
St kilda dumped Tassie, Hawthorn embraced Tassie.
St kilda made profits for a while, Hawthorn made profits for a while.
St kilda are now making losses, Hawthorn are now making massive profits
St kilda have won a couple of Pre season cups, Hawthorn won the premiership cup.

Since leaving Waverly....

St kilda have made many good decisions but have undone them all with too many bad decisions.
Hawthorn have made many many good decisions which has seen them make even more good decisions which has made them the best!!!


At the AGM a few years ago I stood up and told Butters that he would regret leaving Tassie. I also said that within 3 years Hawthorn would win the premiership and their membership tally in Victoria would get close to 40,000 and in Tassie would get close to 10,000.

I was wrong about Butters....he is not there any more so he probably doesn't regret dumping Tassie. I wonder how all those members who booed me and looked at me as though they wanted to kill me feel now?

 

[HoldenMCaulfield]

St kilda chose Docklands, Hawthorn chose MCG.
St kilda dumped Tassie, Hawthorn embraced Tassie.
St kilda made profits for a while, Hawthorn made profits for a while.
St kilda are now making losses, Hawthorn are now making massive profits
St kilda have won a couple of Pre season cups, Hawthorn won the premiership cup.

Without going into the economic issues (Squizzy has already listed several reasons for this year's loss), since 2000 :

- St Kilda has won 56.25% of its games at Docklands (48.34% at the MCG), Hawthorn has won 53% of its games at the MCG (52.27% at Docklands);

- St Kilda has won only 50% of its games in Tassie and never really felt 'home' in Tassie, Hawthorn has won 65% of its games in Tassie (66.67% before the 2007 season) - yet I doubt that too many Hawthorn supporters really 'embrace' Tassie - don't get me wrong, I love Tassie and enjoy its natural beauty when I'm there, but I'm certain that most traditional (i.e. Melbourne based) Hawthorn supporters would prefer to see their home games in Melbourne;

- St Kilda has played in the finals four times with three preliminary finals, Hawthorn has played in the finals four times with one premiership and one one preliminary final.

Yes, Hawthorn have won a premiership this year. Good on them. Winning a premiership requires everything to fall into place, including the required luck. None of our preliminary finals were flukes and I guess that you will be the first to acknowledge that with a bit of luck as to injuries (in particular in 2004 and 2005), we could have won at least one premiership, too.

There were a lot of wrong or at least doubtful decisions since 2000 (yet, the decision to play at TD and to leave Tassie in 2006 were not necessarily amongst them). Yet, many of the mistakes (e.g. recruiting / training / team development and management) have been corrected over the last two years (and this is not meant to say that there were no new mistakes) and I am convinced that we are going in the right direction.

I wonder how all those members who booed me and looked at me as though they wanted to kill me feel now?

They didn't want to kill you - they looked at you and thought that you were an idiot.

And I'm sure they still feel the same.

 

[NeXus_Helen]

An "idiot" is a person who does not learn from previous mistakes. "Idiot" is the perfect description of the St kilda football club.

I am the first to admit that St kilda should have won at least 1 premiership since 2004......

If the morons had not run out onto the ground when Gehrig kicked his 100th, (2004 prelim), the Saints would have led by 30 points at quarter time instead of just 5 points.

2005 prelim we had 7 of our best 22 out and Sydney had made just 1 forced change in the last 10 weeks of that season.

I have barracked for the Saints for nearly 40 years. I have never seen them win a premiership. I love the club, but unlike most supporters I don't just accept everything the club does with blind faith and think it's a good decision.

Dumping Tassie and choosing Docklands over the MCG has hurt my club very badly. Dumping Grant Thomas cost us the chance of winning a premiership. You probably think I'm using hindsight. The fact is when each of these 3 decisions were made I voiced my opinion to the board, but it fell on deaf ears.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Within the next 3 years St kilda will be on the bottom and going to the AFL and requesting assisance. Since the closure of Waverly Hawthorn and St kilda have gone their seperate ways.

St kilda chose Docklands, Hawthorn chose MCG.
St kilda dumped Tassie, Hawthorn embraced Tassie.
St kilda made profits for a while, Hawthorn made profits for a while.
St kilda are now making losses, Hawthorn are now making massive profits
St kilda have won a couple of Pre season cups, Hawthorn won the premiership cup.

Since leaving Waverly....

St kilda have made many good decisions but have undone them all with too many bad decisions.
Hawthorn have made many many good decisions which has seen them make even more good decisions which has made them the best!!!


At the AGM a few years ago I stood up and told Butters that he would regret leaving Tassie. I also said that within 3 years Hawthorn would win the premiership and their membership tally in Victoria would get close to 40,000 and in Tassie would get close to 10,000.

I was wrong about Butters....he is not there any more so he probably doesn't regret dumping Tassie. I wonder how all those members who booed me and looked at me as though they wanted to kill me feel now?

Based on previous predictions.

Hooray the saints will be on top within the next three years, and will be making plenty of money.

 

[The Punter]

The Hawthorn/St Kilda Tasmania comparison is not an easy one to make in terms of success.

The primary reason why we moved away from playing games in Tasmania is because of on-field, rather than off-field.

The reasons for our lack of on-field success in Tasmania is because the Docklands and York Park are not compatible, but the MCG and York Park are very compatible. We had built a team to win at the Docklands (contested ball, in-close, plenty of contests), and that team struggled in the open spaces of York Park. Hawthorn built a team for the MCG (outside runners, highly skilled, a couple of A-grade ball winners) and this team easily found success at York Park as well.

 

[NeXus_Helen]

The Hawthorn/St Kilda Tasmania comparison is not an easy one to make in terms of success.

The primary reason why we moved away from playing games in Tasmania is because of on-field, rather than off-field.

The reasons for our lack of on-field success in Tasmania is because the Docklands and York Park are not compatible, but the MCG and York Park are very compatible. We had built a team to win at the Docklands (contested ball, in-close, plenty of contests), and that team struggled in the open spaces of York Park. Hawthorn built a team for the MCG (outside runners, highly skilled, a couple of A-grade ball winners) and this team easily found success at York Park as well.

....and that is exactly my point Punter. We got it completely wrong and Hawthorn the exact opposite. Is it too late to change things?

 

[krusden]

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Too late to change things in regards of York Park? I would say so. The tasmanian media has been quite critical of the saints "abandoning York park" and by extension the state.
I do not think real members would agree perhaps but media wise we've been raked over hot coals.
However, they're putting lights in at Bellerive. We should perhaps toss our hands up for that if we want to go interstate for a few games every year. I would think that if light go ahead at Bellerive a few melbourne clubs, such as those going to the GC next year for games, may indeed be invited to play there in years to come. If games come up I wouldn't mind seeing the club there for a game or two

 

[NeXus_Helen]

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Too late to change things in regards of York Park? I would say so. The tasmanian media has been quite critical of the saints "abandoning York park" and by extension the state.
I do not think real members would agree perhaps but media wise we've been raked over hot coals.
However, they're putting lights in at Bellerive. We should perhaps toss our hands up for that if we want to go interstate for a few games every year. I would think that if light go ahead at Bellerive a few melbourne clubs, such as those going to the GC next year for games, may indeed be invited to play there in years to come. If games come up I wouldn't mind seeing the club there for a game or two

I ddn't know about the lights so if that is the case I would suggest the following.....

We play 2 games a year there. West Coast and Adelaide one year and Freo and Port the next. Any other home games against non Victorian clubs to be played at Docklands and all home games against Victorian clubs to be played at the MCG. This would give us at least 5 home games at the MCG per year instead of the stupid situation currently which sees us play at the G only once a year before finals.

 

[Plugger35]

I don't think our decision to pull out of playing games at York Park was a bad decision. We never played our best football there and really struggled to win games, unlike Hawthorn who seem to thrive there. That doesn't mean that it may not be worthwhile returning there or to Bellerive sometime in the future though, just at the moment it just doesn't seem to suit our team or game style.

I think the main problem we have at the moment is our lack of games at the MCG. The last few years we have probably only played 1 or 2 games at the MCG during the H&A season and I think we only play there once next season. This puts us at a serious disadvantage come finals time when all Melbourne finals are played at the MCG.

 

[The Punter]

Look at our record at the Docklands. What ever the situation was, the situation now is we play better at the Docklands, and our future lies there. As a member who wasn't a member at Waverley because it was too bloody hard to get to, I have grown familiar with the Docklands, as has the team.

It is my understanding that the move to the Docklands, as opposed to the MCG, was at the very least urged by the AFL, and probably was more than an urging.

The moving to the MCG ship has sailed, and my extension, the Tasmania venture was doomed to fail. The AFL is not about to sell the Docklands stadium down the river by refusing to schedule a game between Victorian clubs there, nor should they. Those who hate the Docklands because of it's lack of connection with the football of yesteryear are the same people who bemoan what the on-field spectacle has become. You people need to $hit or get off the pot. The only constant is change.

I'd still like to know, Nexus Helen, why you never seem to feel strongly enough to post about a positive development at the club. I cannot believe you see no positives in a 5-8 list making a Preliminary Final essentially because of the determination of the playing group (especially some lesser names), a groundswell of feeling towards one of the greatest to ever play the game, and most importantly, the belligerant defiance of a much-maligned leader to let the season slip away.

 

[Plugger35]

I'm certainly not suggesting that St Kilda move away from the Docklands as their home venue to play all their home games against other Victorian clubs at the MCG. I just think they could probably benefit from playing a few more games there during the H&A season so that when they play finals there they have a better feel for the ground and the game style they need to play there to be successful.

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure other Victorian clubs that don't have the MCG as their home venue all seem to play more games at the MCG than we do. The likes of Carlton, Essendon, Geelong and even the Western Bulldogs all seem to play there more often than us and of course the MCG based teams like Collingwood, Hawthorn, Melbourne and Richmond all play there on a regular basis. That would surely give all these teams an edge over us when it comes to playing finals at the MCG.

 

[krusden]

I ddn't know about the lights so if that is the case I would suggest the following.....

We play 2 games a year there. West Coast and Adelaide one year and Freo and Port the next. Any other home games against non Victorian clubs to be played at Docklands and all home games against Victorian clubs to be played at the MCG. This would give us at least 5 home games at the MCG per year instead of the stupid situation currently which sees us play at the G only once a year before finals.

I'm a former tasmanian so I keep my finger on the pulse in regards of tasmanian news.
IF the lights do go ahead Bellerive will push for AFL games - specifically with the GC coming in there are clubs that will take money offered to play there. I think if it is not us then a club like the Dogs will jump in and there will be an opportunity gone begging.
I'm not proposing a F/T situation like york park was as we did play like crap there. What I think is that if the opportunity comes up it may not be a bad thing to take it on a year-by-year basis.