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Research Fully identifying early umpires

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The V/AFL is no doubt the most comprehensively covered league for statistical analysis in the history of our great game (although Ric Gauci and his tremendous WAFL FootyFacts website might have something to say about that).

One area that is slightly lacking, at least in some areas, is that of the umpires. Without the umpires, we don't have a game. And so they deserve a bit of love. The AFL Umpires Association (AFLUA) has an in-house historian/statistician that has done a power of work; their website features match totals for all field, boundary and goal umpires, as well as selections for every grand final, including most of the reserves, U19s and VFA GFs. AFL Tables also has the field umpire index.

So it's not necessarily the numbers we are lacking (although it would be great to have boundary and goal umpires attached to each match rather than just field), but rather the identities of some.

In trawling AFL Tables' field umpire index, I found 12 umpires who are identified only by a first initial. These are all men who have represented their craft at the highest level, and yet some of them are 'person unknown'. Do we think that us, as a board, could do a bit of genealogy/digging to help tick off these final few names and give these umpires back their identity? I'm happy to help, as always.
  • J. Clarke (16 games, 1924–25)
  • E. Wilkinson (11 games, 1926)
  • J. Clarke (10 games, 1929–30) [listed as separate to the other J Clarke, but who knows?]
  • C. Allen (5 games, 1906)
  • D. Brown (3 games, 1930)
  • J. C. Smith (2 games, 1897)
  • J. Smith (2 games, 1928)
  • A. Dalziel (1 game, 1907)
  • H. Reynolds (1 game, 1910)
  • W. Thompson (1 game, 1919)
  • W. Gibson (1 game, 1927)
  • J. Murphy (1 game, 1933)


To address the first inconsistency: the two J. Clarkes are the same person – John Clarke – which the AFLUA recognises as umpire heritage number 108, and who umpired 26 games between 1924 and 1930.

The AFLUA have done a fair bit for us in this regard, and have ticked off a number of the names that AFL Tables is missing. The list above now appears as follows:
  • John Clarke (26 games, 1924–30)
  • Edmund Wilkinson (11 games, 1926)
  • Charles Allen (5 games, 1906)
  • Eric Brown (3 games, 1930)
  • J. C. Smith (2 games, 1897)
  • J. Smith (2 games, 1928)
  • Arthur Dalziel (1 game, 1907)
  • H. Reynolds (1 game, 1910)
  • William Thompson (1 game, 1919)
  • William Gibson (1 game, 1927)
  • J. D. Murphy (1 game, 1933)
Going the other way, the AFLUA has a B. Davies (2 games, 1914) which AFL Tables lists as Bill Davies, so we may want to cross-check that if possible. I have more faith in the accuracy of the AFLUA record at this stage.

Anyway, that leaves us with 4 unidentified V/AFL field umpires at this stage (let's not get started on boundary and goal just yet!) Where to look? Most likely Trove and following that Ancestry, but we have a better chance at those with multiple initials than we do just one – 'J Smith' may be nigh on impossible.

Have at it, if you like!
 
Well for J.D.Murphy he was apparently in his 'early 30s' in 1933, and had done several years in Ballarat, Bendigo, and country games.
So if we assume early 30s means no older than 35, he must be born circa 1898 - 1903.

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Well for J.D.Murphy he was apparently in his 'early 30s' in 1933, and had done several years in Ballarat, Bendigo, and country games.
So if we assume early 30s means no older than 35, he must be born circa 1898 - 1903.

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I'm wondering if this could be the same chap:
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If it was him, he was involved for a few years (1931>) before taking the top job in 1935: https://aflua.com.au/about-us/past-office-bearers/
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It's almost certainly the same person, as J. D. Murphy did a lot of Gippsland games (he was on the VFL panel in 1931):
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Checking out a bunch of J. D. Murphys born in Victoria from 1893–1906.

Nothing feels super close... maybe the JD born in 1903?

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I get the impression (from Ancestry) that the 1903-born chap spent pretty much all of his life in the far west of Victoria, living at places like Casterton, Hamilton and Henty. If that's the case I doubt it would be him. I thought the Heidelberg-born one might be a decent chance, and he seems to have always lived in the city, but he didn't get married until 1946. If J. D. Murphy the umpire was also the leading official with the Umpires' Association he won't be our man either (that man was married by 1935).

This is a tough job!
 
Going the other way, the AFLUA has a B. Davies (2 games, 1914) which AFL Tables lists as Bill Davies, so we may want to cross-check that if possible. I have more faith in the accuracy of the AFLUA record at this stage.

Have at it, if you like!
Bill Davies has long been on the list of player-umpires on both the AFLUA and some sites (including wikipedia and Essendon past players) credit him with two games as field umpire.

A quick check on Trove show that the ex-Essendon player (W. L. Davies) was named as a boundary umpire in the 6/6/1914 match that B. Davies was field umpire, so it is pretty clear that the filed umpire is a different person to the Essendon player (who did officiate as a boundary umpire in over 200 VFL games). Looks like you are correct to have faith in the AFLUA record!
 
A complete hail-mary here, but is it possible that the J Smith 1928 is John Smith, who was officiating in Albury in August 1928.
This says he is a 'Melbourne umpire' and refers to how in Victoria, umpires have complete charge of the ground, so I get sort of the impression they are referring to the VFL. There's quite a few Trove articles talking about this incident and the subsequent court appearance, but this is the only one that makes it clear he is from Melbourne. Thoughts?

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A complete hail-mary here, but is it possible that the J Smith 1928 is John Smith, who was officiating in Albury in August 1928.
This says he is a 'Melbourne umpire' and refers to how in Victoria, umpires have complete charge of the ground, so I get sort of the impression they are referring to the VFL. There's quite a few Trove articles talking about this incident and the subsequent court appearance, but this is the only one that makes it clear he is from Melbourne. Thoughts?

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I think you've probably got him!:
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John Smith - who'd have thought it?!

He must have been on the VFL panel, not selected for a senior game that weekend, but still named on that appointments list.

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I think you've probably got him!:
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John Smith - who'd have thought it?!

He must have been on the VFL panel, not selected for a senior game that weekend, but still named on that appointments list.
If it is him , he ended up at Albury Court house pleading his case against telling the constables to leave the field, so its possible they may have records of the cases still and shed light on a full name , age etc
 
Regarding H. Reynolds...
His 1 game was Rd 1 StKilda v Uni.

Apparently quite fair but other than that not that greart
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And I wonder therefore was he sent off/back to the country, because a week or so later in the Bendigo League we get this
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But as you can see he was apparently so bad that the League stopped him by umpiring.
I dont have a first initial confirmation yet that he was a H. , but just throwing it out there.
What's interesting is that the League sent to men had been sent up from Melbourne (second screen shot) to watch his performance. Is there a connection there perhaps that he is a League umpire, umpires pretty poorly is sent to the country and the VFL send up two folk to watch him and see how he goes, and he goes crap again

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Unrelated to all that seemingly, there was H.S Reynolds who applied for umpire position the year previously in Portand area.
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If it is him , he ended up at Albury Court house pleading his case against telling the constables to leave the field, so its possible they may have records of the cases still and shed light on a full name , age etc
For some reason I can't find that exact record on Ancestry, though it probably should be there. There's no doubt Smith was from Melbourne, and I'd say this makes it pretty certain he was an umpire with the VFL:
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Can i slightly hijack this thread and also added the name of Umpire Allen from the VFA
Famous for umpiring all four VFA finals of 1904, much to the annoyance of Richmond who then forfeited the 1904 Grand Final because of him.
All reports since have only put him as Umpire Allen, but I notice below he was Umpire E. Allen


Any info on his first name / details would be a nice missing piece to find
(i'm assume E. probably sdtands for Edward)
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Can i slightly hijack this thread and also added the name of Umpire Allen from the VFA
Famous for umpiring all four VFA finals of 1904, much to the annoyance of Richmond who then forfeited the 1904 Grand Final because of him.
All reports since have only put him as Umpire Allen, but I notice below he was Umpire E. Allen


Any info on his first name / details would be a nice missing piece to find
(i'm assume E. probably sdtands for Edward)
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Some research done few years ago indicated that Allen was 'C Allen', but that above screenshot perhaps suggests it is 'E Allen'
 

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Can i slightly hijack this thread and also added the name of Umpire Allen from the VFA
Famous for umpiring all four VFA finals of 1904, much to the annoyance of Richmond who then forfeited the 1904 Grand Final because of him.
All reports since have only put him as Umpire Allen, but I notice below he was Umpire E. Allen


Any info on his first name / details would be a nice missing piece to find
(i'm assume E. probably sdtands for Edward)
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Is it not meant to be the case that the VFA umpire and the VFL umpire are one and the same?:
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Some research done few years ago indicated that Allen was 'C Allen', but that above screenshot perhaps suggests it is 'E Allen'
So it appears certain that Charles Allen, who was the VFL umpire (1906), would also be the VFA umpire involved in all the controversy in 1904. I'm rather positive that the umpire was Charles Edgar Allen (1878-1965), and maybe that's where the E came from, but it's almost always shown as C. Allen.

PS I spent hours trying to identify this chap, or at least work out what his first name was, and was pretty impressed with myself when I thought I had succeeded in doing that! Then I noticed that his first name can be seen in the OP!!!
 
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So it appears certain that Charles Allen, who was the VFL umpire (1906), would also be the VFA umpire involved in all the controversy in 1904. I'm rather positive that the umpire was Charles Edgar Allen (1878-1965), and maybe that's where the E came from, but it's almost always shown as C. Allen.

PS I spent hours trying to identify this chap, or at least work out what his first name was, and was pretty impressed with myself when I thought I had succeeded in doing that! Then I noticed that his first name can be seen in the OP!!!
I didn't make the connection that the C Allen in the original post was the Charles Allen you ended up finding, so apologies for that - but you are right, the VFA and VFL player is the same person
 

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