I'd like to thank The Academy

[Iva Bigun]

Well if he’s expected to go anywhere in the top 50 I am sure we will give up pick 1 for him, sorry the old Iva pops up every now and again

 

[Jirik13]

Well if he’s expected to go anywhere in the top 50 I am sure we will give up pick 1 for him, sorry the old Iva pops up every now and again

At 70kg he could join Powell at Jelly and Ice cream club.

Iva, how about one positive comment per week. It's not that difficult

 

[Matchu]

Going to be a big year for the kid Matchu , his gonna have eyes on him all the time , which is going to create pressure for the lad , we will see if his up to it.

He does have the advantage of not having to worry about school anymore after he finished up his studies at St Andrews a few months ago. His father can also impart some invaluable knowledge on the young man that others don't have access to. So you hope he feels a strong connection to the Suns and picks them later this year because I think all three clubs will be trying to secure his services. He's lived on the Gold Coast since he was 9 years old according to that article so there's a fair chance he feels a strong connection with the city.

 

[Jirik13]

He does have the advantage of not having to worry about school anymore after he finished up his studies at St Andrews a few months ago. His father can also impart some invaluable knowledge on the young man that others don't have access to. So you hope he feels a strong connection to the Suns and picks them later this year because I think all three clubs will be trying to secure his services. He's lived on the Gold Coast since he was 9 years old according to that article so there's a fair chance he feels a strong connection with the city.

His best chance to play would have to be with North. There will be serious competition for midfield spots at Suns next year. He's very skinny, will be a long term project, will have to learn other positions to start with.

 

[OB11]

His best chance to play would have to be with North. There will be serious competition for midfield spots at Suns next year. He's very skinny, will be a long term project, will have to learn other positions to start with.

He mentioned in his article that a consideration would be that he would like to go somewhere he can play seniors early on - North would have to be in the box seat if that's what he wants

 

[Jirik13]

He mentioned in his article that a consideration would be that he would like to go somewhere he can play seniors early on - North would have to be in the box seat if that's what he wants

I am sure he will see that Suns have the brightest future and stays with us!

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

In between their rants about how the world is unfair and every northern club (especially Sydney) is a meaningless joke, the North board reckon they're in the box seat because Scott is a North fan. Can't say Iv'e heard anything from Scott himself about it yet.


Not the same Bailey Scott, but at least the Cats might get someone of the same name

Scott himself has said that he's quite happy to go to any club.

If he's currently living on the Gold Coast and comfortable up there you'd think the Suns would be in the box seat.

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

Well if he’s expected to go anywhere in the top 50 I am sure we will give up pick 1 for him, sorry the old Iva pops up every now and again

I love the old Iva. He just needs to remember that Clayton has moved on....

 

[Mini GF]

I love the old Iva. He just needs to remember that Clayton has moved on....

Evans is still here though and I find him just as culpable as Clayton for the Weller debacle
He fell in love with Weller and promised him the world
Weller then opened his big mouth on radio and we then got owned by Freo

So Iva’s point is relevant and spot on

Love Old Iva

 

[Jirik13]

Evans is still here though and I find him just as culpable as Clayton for the Weller debacle
He fell in love with Weller and promised him the world
Weller then opened his big mouth on radio and we then got owned by Freo

So Iva’s point is relevant and spot on

Love Old Iva

How Clayton is culpable? Did you see his face when he entered the room to sign the trade? Never seen someone so tortured. This trade will haunt him for the rest of his life He had no choice. Blucher, the agent is main culprit. Tippett's deal was also his work. As a result he got suspended for 12 months. He made sure the trade would happen by making public the Suns' pledge. And yes, Suns promise was stupid in my opinion though some people don't think so.

 

[Mini GF]

How Clayton is culpable? Did you see his face when he entered the room to sign the trade? Never seen someone so tortured. This trade will haunt him for the rest of his life He had no choice. Blucher, the agent is main culprit. Tippett's deal was also his work. As a result he got suspended for 12 months. He made sure the trade would happen by making public the Suns' pledge. And yes, Suns promise was stupid in my opinion though some people don't think so.

I agree.

 

[Jirik13]

Evans is still here though and I find him just as culpable as Clayton for the Weller debacle
He fell in love with Weller and promised him the world
Weller then opened his big mouth on radio and we then got owned by Freo

So Iva’s point is relevant and spot on

Love Old Iva

Another point is that it was not only Evans, Clayton involved. I expect Dew had a main say too as captains, leadership.

 

[Mini GF]

Another point is that it was not only Evans, Clayton involved. I expect Dew had a main say too as captains, leadership.

My instincts tell me it was Evans that fell in love and promised him the world

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

Evans is still here though and I find him just as culpable as Clayton for the Weller debacle
He fell in love with Weller and promised him the world
Weller then opened his big mouth on radio and we then got owned by Freo

So Iva’s point is relevant and spot on

Love Old Iva

So you’d prefer Eade, Ashcroft & Clayton to still run the club?
If what is guessed on here is true, then I’m glad the decision was taken out of Clayton’s hands actually.

 

[Mini GF]

^^^^ Eade-come on!! You know me.
Ashcroft-No way, he’s given us mediocrity
Clayton-he’s the only one I have a little tiny bit of sympathy for But I’d have sacked him too.

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

^^^^ Eade-come on!! You know me.
Ashcroft-No way, he’s given us mediocrity
Clayton-he’s the only one I have a little tiny bit of sympathy for But I’d have sacked him too.

The jury is out with Evans but he's shown that he knows what it takes to build a successful club.

Half of the Suns fans I know believe Clayton did a good job, and others think he was no good. I think he failed to evolve with the game and that's been his downfall.

 

[17er]

Clayton's curse is that he has never put together a list balanced in totality, despite the Lions and Bulldogs winning Premierships within years of him leaving. There is a very good reason he has enjoyed lengthy employment at each club he scouted for, but nobody could call him elite. We can sit in the peanut gallery and say Clayton made mistakes, but as the man himself came out and said publically before his contract was not extended, there were players and managers who outright told him he was wasting his time because they'd just be requesting a trade out of town ASAP.

 

[Jirik13]

Personally, I think a lot of Clayton's criticism is unfair. Very difficult conditions to be manager at Suns. Somehow people hold him accountable for team performance while forgetting roles of coaches, admin, players development, training environment. Also the list management were not only his decisions, as we could see with Weller. Good luck dealing with Bluey, Blight, Rocket, Ashcroft etc. Also when the team finishes at the bottom it is impossible to get great players to come. Every club make blunders, except maybe Crows. Just look at Vickery at Hawks. Our list is actually great. I predict 1 more year under Dew combined new facilities, new admin and we should be serious contenders for finals.

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

Its up to a list manager to sell our club, not roll over and allow player managers to walk all over them. It was like he gave up at the end and time to move on and let Cameron have a go at it.

 

[Jirik13]

Its up to a list manager to sell our club, not roll over and allow player managers to walk all over them. It was like he gave up at the end and time to move on and let Cameron have a go at it.

Definitely time to move on. 8 years is more than enough.

 

[Mini GF]

Its up to a list manager to sell our club, not roll over and allow player managers to walk all over them. It was like he gave up at the end and time to move on and let Cameron have a go at it.

If you can’t sell the Gold Coast to an adventurous young fella then there is seriously something amiss.

 

[OB11]

Its up to a list manager to sell our club, not roll over and allow player managers to walk all over them. It was like he gave up at the end and time to move on and let Cameron have a go at it.

I disagree, both current Suns players and potential recruits are not heavily influenced by a list manager they barely have any interaction with. It's the job of the coaches, high performance and development team to create an environment that will allow them to maximise their talents and have a chance of team success.

People such as Bluey, Rocket, the assistant coaches, Justin Cordy and the senior playing group are more responsible than Clayton for retaining and attracting talent by creating the right culture.

 

[17er]

I disagree, both current Suns players and potential recruits are not heavily influenced by a list manager they barely have any interaction with. It's the job of the coaches, high performance and development team to create an environment that will allow them to maximise their talents and have a chance of team success.

People such as Bluey, Rocket, the assistant coaches, Justin Cordy and the senior playing group are more responsible than Clayton for retaining and attracting talent by creating the right culture.

To pick up up where you left off, culture is the key to success and the more conducive the culture can become to success the longer it can be sustained. The thing is, you can't just create a culture and hope for the best. In fact, club culture is one of those things that has cursed the traditional VFL teams, South Melbourne and Fitzroy with their dwindling fanbases and changing demographics, while Geelong, St Kilda, Melbourne and the Bulldogs had Flag droughts over 50 years long - Geelong underwent a massive 10 year rebuild under Bomber, St Kilda's rebuild was flawed by their rape culture, the Dogs pulled things together very quickly under Bevvo and nobody can really tell when the Demons will have sustained success again - perhaps it's the Curse of Barassi, since whose defection to Carlton they haven't won a Flag.
Culture can't be produced, but the conditions for it can be. Like when something goes mouldy, the right conditions give the culture of a place a chance to grow. The West Coast Eagles were given the best chance of sustained success when they first came into the comp, which Adelaide Crows emulated on their own entry. GWS didn't do anything special except the AFL gave them access to way more top draft picks than the Suns as well as Zone selection in one of the most fertile areas for recruitment.
I think Clayton has done well to attract 12 local boys to our list and believe that local recruitment is going to be one of the key pillars of our club's future.

 

[Matchu]

To pick up up where you left off, culture is the key to success and the more conducive the culture can become to success the longer it can be sustained. The thing is, you can't just create a culture and hope for the best. In fact, club culture is one of those things that has cursed the traditional VFL teams, South Melbourne and Fitzroy with their dwindling fanbases and changing demographics, while Geelong, St Kilda, Melbourne and the Bulldogs had Flag droughts over 50 years long - Geelong underwent a massive 10 year rebuild under Bomber, St Kilda's rebuild was flawed by their rape culture, the Dogs pulled things together very quickly under Bevvo and nobody can really tell when the Demons will have sustained success again - perhaps it's the Curse of Barassi, since whose defection to Carlton they haven't won a Flag.
Culture can't be produced, but the conditions for it can be. Like when something goes mouldy, the right conditions give the culture of a place a chance to grow. The West Coast Eagles were given the best chance of sustained success when they first came into the comp, which Adelaide Crows emulated on their own entry. GWS didn't do anything special except the AFL gave them access to way more top draft picks than the Suns as well as Zone selection in one of the most fertile areas for recruitment.
I think Clayton has done well to attract 12 local boys to our list and believe that local recruitment is going to be one of the key pillars of our club's future.

A journalist once asked Paul Roos what he thought was the biggest difference between coaching in Sydney as opposed to coaching in Melbourne and he said by the time the team returned for meetings on Monday morning he didn't have to come down on the Melbourne players as hard because they'd already copped from the media/public. He was essentially saying the lack of media coverage (or scrutiny) in Sydney meant it was extremely important for the Swans to drive their own internal standards in order to be successful. It's the exact same situation for the Suns and Stuart Dew would understand that.

So when you talk about having a 'winning culture' it's multifaceted but I feel driving high internal standards is one of the biggest factors that has held the Suns back in the past. If your coaching staff doesn't demand the highest level of accountability from the players then it's just not going to work at the top level and the whole Bloods culture is based around accountability. If Stuart Dew is the main I think he is and he has the strong people management skills that everyone says he does, then he will make this work.

 

[Dammit]

A journalist once asked Paul Roos what he thought was the biggest difference between coaching in Sydney as opposed to coaching in Melbourne and he said by the time the team returned for meetings on Monday morning he didn't have to come down on the Melbourne players as hard because they'd already copped from the media/public. He was essentially saying the lack of media coverage (or scrutiny) in Sydney meant it was extremely important for the Swans to drive their own internal standards in order to be successful. It's the exact same situation for the Suns and Stuart Dew would understand that.

So when you talk about having a 'winning culture' it's multifaceted but I feel driving high internal standards is one of the biggest factors that has held the Suns back in the past. If your coaching staff doesn't demand the highest level of accountability from the players then it's just not going to work at the top level and the whole Bloods culture is based around accountability. If Stuart Dew is the main I think he is and he has the strong people management skills that everyone says he does, then he will make this work.

agreed - but surely Rocket fit that bill to a tee??