Gold Coast's draft bonanza

[astro_toby]

"GOLD COAST will get nine of the top 15 selections in the 2010 NAB AFL Draft, the AFL announced on Thursday.

The 17th AFL team will have picks one, two, three, five, seven, nine, 11, 13 and 15 in the 2010 NAB AFL Draft.

The south-east Queensland club will also have the first selection in each round of the 2010 draft.

Gold Coast will also enter the competition with a list of 48 senior players, nine rookies and with an extra $1 million total player payments extra allowance in 2010.

By 2015 its list will be back to 38 players and nine rookies, in line with other AFL clubs.

The club has already signed five youngsters and in the 2009 NAB AFL Draft it will have the capacity to sign a dozen 17-year-olds born in January-April 1992."

http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=67069

no way should we trade pur first or 2nd round selections this season - that is ****ing ridiculous.

AFL - guaranteeing new clubs flags that many Victorian clubs have been building towards for the past 10 years..


Cant believe that they are allowed more players than any other club (9 ****ing rookies!??! )

they get to spend an extra $1,000,000

what an absolute joke this game they call AFL is sometimes....

 

[astro_toby]

and how about the dodgy turds announcing it in the the first week of september, the day the teams for the first final is announced - finals time - so that it can be pushed out the papers quickly.




Boo the AFL

 

[astro_toby]

do you realise that within 5 years, the GC team will likely have 22 first rounders in their squad?

first year they get 9
+ most likely 4 established 1st round stars from other clubs

+ at least 3 from the young local QLD players they have exclusive rights to

+2 more next year

+ 4 more for the years following

22 first rounders - has their ever been a side run out with only 1st rounders before???

 

[nut]

As much as we criticize the AFL for these handouts that will rape the draft for the next 6-7 years we must realize that, it'sin the best interest that these sides are a success from day 1.
The reason being if they start to struggle the AFL will pressure Melbourne clubs to Merge and increase the support to these clubs. Ring a bell?


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24290150-19742,00.html

With a recession brewing and the fight for the all mighty sponsorship dollar tougher than ever before (plus high oil prices* had to throw that one in*) our club as much as anyones will be at risk. If you dont believe that then you are a twit.

We are in debt, lack recent success and at present without a major sponsor.

 

[Bojangles17]

we'll be firmely entrenched amongst the top 4 by then

 

[richoatthedisco]

As much as we criticize the AFL for these handouts that will rape the draft for the next 6-7 years we must realize that, it'sin the best interest that these sides are a success from day 1.
The reason being if they start to struggle the AFL will pressure Melbourne clubs to Merge and increase the support to these clubs. Ring a bell?


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24290150-19742,00.html

With a recession brewing and the fight for the all mighty sponsorship dollar tougher than ever before (plus high oil prices* had to throw that one in*) our club as much as anyones will be at risk. If you dont believe that then you are a twit.

We are in debt, lack recent success and at present without a major sponsor.

Whose best interest??? Not ours! It's a ****ing joke.

 

[tucker777]

All this does is sign the death certificate of Melbourne.

 

[astro_toby]

All this does is sign the death certificate of Melbourne.

completely agree

cant believe people are ok with this and say timid pathetic things like
" Well, its in the best interest to let GC be successful to begin with"

WHO'S BEST INTEREST???

NOT VICTORIAN CLUBS!!

NOT RICHMOND

Why the hell do Victorian AFL supporters be such gutless swine these days - they accept being the AFL's bitch - it pimps our clubs to help them make more money in new places like GC, & WEST Sydney.

all that Victorian clubs have ever wanted is to make finals and to win a flag - and we just shrug our shoulders when we let the AFL just walk up and take a spot away from us, just because "Its in the GC best interest to be given a free ride to success"

pathetic.

After 2 finals in over 26 years - do they realise its in RICHMONDS best interest to be successful?

thumbs up to the supporters of the Bulldogs and Roo's - two clubs that didnt act like little bitches and let the AFL dictate their existence out of the apparent "best interest of the AFL"

We are getting royally screwed by this draft set up - the first 3 picks and then 6 of the next 12.

do you realise that if we finish 6th next year, we wont get a pick util pick 20? and then what? do you know how hard it will be to maintain a good list with picks like that?

i strongly we doubt we will see richmond win a flag for the next 10 years unfortunately -

with picks like that at this stage of our development, and the likely hood we will at least lose 1, possibly two good player to the GC - and then also have to deal with the retirement of Richo, Bowden, Johnson, Brown & Simmonds in the next 3 seasons - HOW THE HELL WILL WE REPLACE BLOKES LIKE THAT WITH OUR PICKS

mid-table madness, thats all we'll enjoy

 

[tucker777]

To elaborate on my statement earlier....basically because ive got time to kill.

Melbourne are financially crippled. Yes they've wiped off 3 mil debt...cool. Thats 3 down 2 to go.. oh and they will still post a loss as well on top of that.
So basically they are ****ed. They need to play finals in the next 5 years to inject some cash or they will fold because the AFL has made it clear that it's about taking care of expansion not Melbourne clubs.
Now looking at their list can they play finals in the next 5 years.....no.
So what do you do about that? You go to the draft and pick up players......but hang on the GC and WS teams will rape the draft for the almost forseeable decade combined.

Uh oh.......
So if you can't get the team to play finals until about 10 years into the future then how are you gonna play finals and get the cash coming in?.....OH NO.... your not.

And thats why Jim Stynes with his rousing speeches of saving the club etc is just the warm up act for the eulogies that will flow in about 7 years from now.

 

[dickyblue]

completely agree

cant believe people are ok with this and say timid pathetic things like
" Well, its in the best interest to let GC be successful to begin with"

WHO'S BEST INTEREST???

NOT VICTORIAN CLUBS!!

NOT RICHMOND

Why the hell do Victorian AFL supporters be such gutless swine these days - they accept being the AFL's bitch - it pimps our clubs to help them make more money in new places like GC, & WEST Sydney.

all that Victorian clubs have ever wanted is to make finals and to win a flag - and we just shrug our shoulders when we let the AFL just walk up and take a spot away from us, just because "Its in the GC best interest to be given a free ride to success"

pathetic.

After 2 finals in over 26 years - do they realise its in RICHMONDS best interest to be successful?

thumbs up to the supporters of the Bulldogs and Roo's - two clubs that didnt act like little bitches and let the AFL dictate their existence out of the apparent "best interest of the AFL"

We are getting royally screwed by this draft set up - the first 3 picks and then 6 of the next 12.

do you realise that if we finish 6th next year, we wont get a pick util pick 20? and then what? do you know how hard it will be to maintain a good list with picks like that?

i strongly we doubt we will see richmond win a flag for the next 10 years unfortunately -

with picks like that at this stage of our development, and the likely hood we will at least lose 1, possibly two good player to the GC - and then also have to deal with the retirement of Richo, Bowden, Johnson, Brown & Simmonds in the next 3 seasons - HOW THE HELL WILL WE REPLACE BLOKES LIKE THAT WITH OUR PICKS

mid-table madness, thats all we'll enjoy

Yep i agree i think it is totally f**ked . The afl have got to be joking. Do they realise that this is going Fu** up a lot of clubs for the next decade. I think they do this is there way of getting rid of a couple of clubs in melbourne or even making them merge. They are just giving them too many good draft picks. How are the clubs struggling now gonna rebuild with fu** all draft picks. Demons are absolutely fu**ed.

 

[astro_toby]

Yep i agree i think it is totally f**ked . The afl have got to be joking. Do they realise that this is going Fu** up a lot of clubs for the next decade. I think they do this is there way of getting rid of a couple of clubs in melbourne or even making them merge. They are just giving them too many good draft picks. How are the clubs struggling now gonna rebuild with fu** all draft picks. Demons are absolutely fu**ed.

completely agree - the AFL knows that under the current economic climate (one which is leading to a recession) - that if they can put the screws on the clubs which as not performing up to its standards - if they create their own little recession in the league - it will clean all the crap out - and leave only the strong to survive.

 

[richoatthedisco]

And the AFL will decide what the player GC steals from you is worth. "Brett Deledio? Here, have picks 1 & 5. All better."

 

[dickyblue]

Carlton have been tanking for the last six years coz they must have known there were new teams coming in and all the best draft picks were going to the new clubs

 

[freezer]

Just another reason why TW wanting to trade picks for a mid aged player this year are purley for self preservation reasons and not for the good of the club long term.

All that would happen is that we would have a bit of a surge over the next couple of years before Richo, Browny, etc retire and then be screwed beyond that. I really don't think we're going to win a flag in the next 2-3 years with Geelong around, maybe a prelim ot two but then what?? straight back down.

We need to do everything we can (eg trading anyone over 25, within reason) to get as many draft picks as possible over the next two years. So that all of our 19-23yo guns have the support they need over the next decade or so, by drafting as many players as possible who are a curently 16-18 who will grow and develop behind them, and not have this huge gap in the middle that has screwed us recently. All the talent younger than that is definitely going to be snapped up by GC17 and WS18, and there is no way we could rebuild during this time.

We have a great core of young players that will get us through the next decade, but we need to add another 6-8 that are younger not older than them, to not just look at winning a flag in 4 years, but maintaining success and even dominating the comp for years to come after that.

It will also mean we have a large number of players in their prime to trade for picks when the the new teams come on, which will again ensure the long term health of the list.

TW's "lock and load", sell the farm to get a mid aged player comment, is by far the biggest reason I won't be sad to see him go, and why I'm happy that March has made it very clear that TW doesn't have the final say in these matters over the next trade period. I think out of the two March is definitely the one looking out for the future of the club, and not just looking out for his pay cheque after 09.

 

[Wally Matera]

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what an absolute joke this game they call AFL is sometimes....

You do know that the announced Gold Coast draft selections was suppported and accepted by 13 of the current 16 clubs.

Not just an AFL decision. Plenty of proposals were presented, this is the one the clubs voted in.

 

[nut]

Yep lets make it impossible for the new side to be competitive.... The AFL wont care if they struggle for ten years like the bears or 15 years like the swans... they'll happily throw money at them smiling as they watch them get beaten every week and collect every second spoon with the other new team, west sydney...

All the money that is invested..... throw it all away... Demetriou wont care....


I'll put it bluntly to you all. WE ARE JUST AS VULNERABLE AS MELB,NORTH and THE DOGGIES.

Do you not remember 1990 save our skins? do you not realise that we are in debt??

The next 10 years will be the toughest 10 years for Melbourne clubs... 2 will either merge or die... The AFL WILL NOT SUPPORT MELB CLUBS LIKE THEY HAVE IN THE PAST. The gravy train is over.... the first side to stumble will be dealt with quickly followed by another...just watch and see.

It is in our best interest for the 2 new sides to be a success. The more successful they are the less likely the AFL will panic and force an existing side up there in a Merger.... the fact that they dont have a Nickname should be evidence of that....

Dont be short sighted people... it's about survival now, and we will be up against it... and this was my main reason not to win more than 3.5 games this year...... set us up for the next 10 years... hopefully we already have.

 

[astro_toby]

Yep lets make it impossible for the new side to be competitive.... The AFL wont care if they struggle for ten years like the bears or 15 years like the swans... they'll happily throw money at them smiling as they watch them get beaten every week and collect every second spoon with the other new team, west sydney...

All the money that is invested..... throw it all away... Demetriou wont care....


I'll put it bluntly to you all. WE ARE JUST AS VULNERABLE AS MELB,NORTH and THE DOGGIES.

Do you not remember 1990 save our skins? do you not realise that we are in debt??

The next 10 years will be the toughest 10 years for Melbourne clubs... 2 will either merge or die... The AFL WILL NOT SUPPORT MELB CLUBS LIKE THEY HAVE IN THE PAST. The gravy train is over.... the first side to stumble will be dealt with quickly followed by another...just watch and see.

It is in our best interest for the 2 new sides to be a success. The more successful they are the less likely the AFL will panic and force an existing side up there in a Merger.... the fact that they dont have a Nickname should be evidence of that....

Dont be short sighted people... it's about survival now, and we will be up against it... and this was my main reason not to win more than 3.5 games this year...... set us up for the next 10 years... hopefully we already have.

don't be ridiculous - sure they have competitive, and sure - if they get some successm it will help the cause greately.

but giving them a situation where within 5 years they will be guaranteed to have close to 22 1st round players in their side - thats bullshit - thats trying to help them win the whole competition - not have some "success"

If the AFL is willing to hand create a situation to give them a far greater chance than any other side of winning the flag - for the sake of "development" and profits - then the intergrity of the game is finished.

And if this is the plan that 13 clubs voted in - i would hate to see what their other options were....

also, so your plan to compete with this draft rorting, was to infact cheat and lose games on purpose so we too could rort the draft and become "set for 10 years"

so your saying that the only way you can compete it to cheat. Of course, that this sort of mentality is absolutely critical for the "good of the game" & the development of it.

- well, you said it yourself nut - the integrity of this competition is over

 

[ash17]

What did Freo and Port get when they entered? I honestly can't recall!

 

[nut]

don't be ridiculous - sure they have competitive, and sure - if they get some successm it will help the cause greately.

but giving them a situation where within 5 years they will be guaranteed to have close to 22 1st round players in their side - thats bullshit - thats trying to help them win the whole competition - not have some "success"

If the AFL is willing to hand create a situation to give them a far greater chance than any other side of winning the flag - for the sake of "development" and profits - then the intergrity of the game is finished.

And if this is the plan that 13 clubs voted in - i would hate to see what their other options were....

also, so your plan to compete with this draft rorting, was to infact cheat and lose games on purpose so we too could rort the draft and become "set for 10 years"

so your saying that the only way you can compete it to cheat. Of course, that this sort of mentality is absolutely critical for the "good of the game" & the development of it.

- well, you said it yourself nut - the integrity of this competition is over

The integrity of this competition died when the almighty dollar walked in...when TV rights dictate who plays who, where and when... The integrity of the competition is no more... if you want integrity go watch the Richmond Centrals in the Ammo's... I thought the demise of the Fitzroy Football Club was the underlying evidence that this competition is not about morals or integrity, it's about cold hard cash. If you have it then great, if you dont then tread carefully.

The AFL has rules, it changes those rules sometimes, to keep ahead of the competition you need to change and change quickly. You need to work within the rules. 3 and half wins would have got us picks 1,2 20, 36 and first pick in the PSD. Another injection of 3 quality kids to help us through the next 5-7 years would have been gold.





If you believe that the AFL will support an 18 team comp and help struggling Melb clubs whilst they desperately try and make the 2 northern side work than good luck, it's not going to happen.

Melbourne clubs will die if The GC or WS look like faultering.

Melbourne Storm would be dead and burried if the NRL didn't give them the huge boost they got early on... They learnt from the AFL's mistakes in Sydney and Brisbane... Melbourne Storm is now one of the most powerful sides in the NRL and the AFL for the first time will follow the lead of the NRL and make the new sides strong from day 1. Personally I never wanted 2 more sides, but now we are getting them I dont want to see a repeat of the bears and the swans.

It will make it alot tougher... but them are the rules...

 

[Upgrayedd]

What did Freo and Port get when they entered? I honestly can't recall!

Were introduced into football mad enviroments and immediate sucess was not an issue, this club could die if they are not competitive within 2-3 years.

Clubs would rather give away a plethora of picks rather then have already developed stars leaving for the gold coast

They'll use a few of these picks to trade for experianced players, they are not going to field a team of pick 1-2-3-5-7-9-15 ect.

And anyways, i thought it was in the best intrest in any team to try to be as competitive and get the best of themselfs as possible, you cant complain about them trying to get themselfs in the best position possible

 

[bushranger58]

I'm naming them the Gay Coast. Seemed to fit better with their mascot.

 

[Bojangles17]

rather than default into a state of hysteria, compare where our list is relative to most others in the comp, we should be maturing over the next couple of years whilst many that are currently competing this week will be in sharp decline with little prospect of improving their stocks...In reality this will really enhance our prospects at winning a flag in the next few years...THINK about it

 

[CoggaRules]

rather than default into a state of hysteria, compare where our list is relative to most others in the comp, we should be maturing over the next couple of years whilst many that are currently competing this week will be in sharp decline with little prospect of improving their stocks...In reality this will really enhance our prospects at winning a flag in the next few years...THINK about it

ok BJ but wouldnt you think that since the next few years are going to be barron for all the comp, re. top draft picks, that the last thing we should be doing this year is getting a BIG FISH? Souldnt we focusing all our efforts into trading for draft picks and drafting youngsters? From what i have read and heard, this years draft is one right out of the box, better than the last.
I am convinced thats what all the March v TW stoush is about.
One wants to continue on the long haul and the other wants to get an extension next year, by shortening it.
I would also not be surprised, if March has been in consultation with Jackson and co to see if we can add to our stocks with youngsters and they have confirmed it.

 

[Bojangles17]

From what i have read and heard, this years draft is one right out of the box, better than the last.
I am convinced thats what all the March v TW stoush is about.

i think your close to the mark, however thats not what I posted about...I indicated that the draft restrictions in force 2 years from now will favour us more than most as our core group will be in the 24yo age group where many others that are currently in the race will be on the decline, incl the Cats, with limited ability to top up...the Gold coast is the best chance we've had at winning a flag if we play our cards right

 

[CoggaRules]

i think your close to the mark, however thats not what I posted about...I indicated that the draft restrictions in force 2 years from now will favour us more than most as our core group will be in the 24yo age group where many others that are currently in the race will be on the decline, incl the Cats, with limited ability to top up...the Gold coast is the best chance we've had at winning a flag if we play our cards right

exactly and right now we can add another few youngsters to that core group so they can be emerging under that core group. What we dont want to do is add a couple of 25yolds now, to save someone career, who wont be there when the core group is happening and no youngsters are happening. Not to mention that we need "potential" to the max to be able to deal with the GC to get those picks that they will have. And i think you are wrong ,the cats are in the box seat, they have the class that the GC will be wanting to base their young team around...think about it. We need to come into the picture from the other angle, offer them young portentials who are wanted, for their picks..
We need to build a great depth with young talent, if we are going to survive the next decade and half, in the top shelf stuff.