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Is it just me or is there increasing evidence to suggest that children are not being taught proper grammar and how to spell at primary schools anymore?

Judging by a large proportion of posts, Kim Beazley's notion of Australia being a "Knowledge Nation" seem to be far from being substantiated by BigFooty posters.

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English these days is pretty much taught as interpreting texts, there's very little focus on the structure of language (semantics/syntax).

Try posting a poll asking whether the word "from" is a conjunction, preposition, auxillary verb, or substantive. :D
 
Originally posted by Stevo
English these days is pretty much taught as interpreting texts, there's very little focus on the structure of language (semantics/syntax).

Try posting a poll asking whether the word "from" is a conjunction, preposition, auxillary verb, or substantive. :D
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Can you give me a hint on what they are, then I can have a guess.
 
I'm 3rd year primary teaching uni student, and we've been specifically instructed not to correct spelling errors as it poses a risk to their motivation :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by P_D
I'm 3rd year primary teaching uni student, and we've been specifically instructed not to correct spelling errors as it poses a risk to their motivation :rolleyes:
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What? Surely you jest!
 
Originally posted by P_D
'fraid not...

It's bloody ridiculous...
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Seems strange though. I would think that in pointing out a students spelling error that there is the possibility that the student will become motivated to learn how to spell correctly, as well as the possibility that the student will lose self-esteem and be discouraged. Surely it's all in the approach and the ability to communicate with the student.
 
I run a recruitment agency and I will be the first to admit my spelling and grammar on this site is appalling due to expediency more than anything else.

I have a uni. degree and a post -grad diploma and many of the people that apply are far more qualified then myself yet they will spell bachelors degree "batchelor"!

Tell the people who are against correcting the childrens spelling because of motivational factors that the kids will be far more depressed when they apply for a job at 18 and they don't get it because ther CV is rife with spelling mistakes.

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Stevo, particularly in a creative writing context we're told not to correct them as it dissuades the 'creative juices'
 
I run a family and correct the kids spelling all the time. The one in year 4 has spelling words every night, so I hope they are corrected properly by the teachers, rather than a pat on the head and a "well done Johnny."

What we are typing on right now hasnt helped. Nor has spell check. I watch my oldest, year 11, doing assignments on the computer. I say "thats not how you spell that." She replies doesnt matter I will fix it at the end. Spell Check. The kids can type what they like and the rest is done for them.
 

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Originally posted by skipper kelly
What we are typing on right now hasnt helped. Nor has spell check. I watch my oldest, year 11, doing assignments on the computer. I say "thats not how you spell that." She replies doesnt matter I will fix it at the end. Spell Check. The kids can type what they like and the rest is done for them.
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Agreed. And it's not a good crutch to rely on, considering that in a plethora of cases one can omit, alter or add a single letter, and thus end up with a word which is entirely different in its meaning to the word that was intended to be used.
 
And the Microsoft Word grammar checker is rather horrible, but that's to be expected. It's very difficult to capture all the subtle nuances and structure of a language as rich and complex as English in programming code.
 
It helps if you are good at spelling, but it isn't vitally important for adults these days. Spellcheck is there to make it easier. Grammar and punctuation are far more important.

The same applies with maths. You need to know how to do and understand the calculations, but you do not need to know your 12x tables because there are calculators.
 
Originally posted by kelman
The same applies with maths. You need to know how to do and understand the calculations, but you do not need to know your 12x tables because there are calculators.
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But, it would be bluddy handy if you did know them
 
Originally posted by dasler
Is it just me or is there increasing evidence to suggest that children are not being taught proper grammar and how to spell at primary schools anymore?

Judging by a large proportion of posts, Kim Beazley's notion of Australia being a "Knowledge Nation" seem to be far from being substantiated by BigFooty posters.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
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I find it hard to accept credibility from posters who have awful grammar and can't spell properly.

If you want to make an arguement, make sure it's well punctuated and spelt correctly. Otherwise, no-one will take you seriously.

I hope I spelt everything correctly.
 

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Originally posted by pazza
The problem with Spell Check is obvious..the use of Australian English, as opposed to American English, which is default on Microsoft Word. Best to ensure the kids have an Australian dictionary handy whenever they are doing anything written.
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Or, switch the dictionary to English-Australian like I do. :p
 
i think the odd spelling error online is to be expected, sometimes we type so fast, then scoot off to read something else, that in quickly perusing what we have written, it is quite easy to miss an error or two.

there's no point being all high and mighty about spelling, as some people have been over the years, only to make a complete Dan Quayle's of themselves for not practising what they preach.
 

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