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Greg Miller I hope you get an incurable skin disease that leaves you in agony
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Bloodstained Angel
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Explain your flame Don
Whats the problem with Greg Miller ?
Whats the problem with Greg Miller ?
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* KANGAROOS chief executive Greg Miller yesterday took a swipe at his potential supporter base in Sydney by accusing Swans fans of being ``fickle``.
His comments came in response to Sunday`s SCG crowd of 19,729 at the Kangaroos` home game against the Swans.
Miller made no reference to the fact that the Kangaroos` failure to attract a significant following in Sydney might have been responsible.
His comments came in response to Sunday`s SCG crowd of 19,729 at the Kangaroos` home game against the Swans.
Miller made no reference to the fact that the Kangaroos` failure to attract a significant following in Sydney might have been responsible.
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At the same time in Melbourne, Kangaroos chief executive Greg Miller said the Bulldogs game had ``diluted'' the appeal of Sunday's clash and described Swans supporters as fickle.
``Some of them are not prepared to follow their team in anything out of the normal,'' Miller said in reference to Swans members failing to attend Sunday's game.
``They have missed out on supporting their team in what was a very, very good game.
``There's no doubt we were disappointed but we're not devastated.''
Despite the disappointing attendance at Sunday's game, Bulldogs and AFL officials denied they were second guessing their push into Sydney.
Bulldogs chief executive Mark Patterson said his club had pre-sold its tickets so it remained confident they could attract a good crowd.
The Bulldogs allowed Sydney members to purchase tickets pre-season while the Kangaroos didn't offer tickets for Sunday's game as part of the Swans pre-season package.
``We've worked closely with Sydney to maximise our opportunities and that's what we have tried to do,'' Patterson said.
``We have pre-sold so many tickets for the game and Sydney supporters have made a choice
``Some of them are not prepared to follow their team in anything out of the normal,'' Miller said in reference to Swans members failing to attend Sunday's game.
``They have missed out on supporting their team in what was a very, very good game.
``There's no doubt we were disappointed but we're not devastated.''
Despite the disappointing attendance at Sunday's game, Bulldogs and AFL officials denied they were second guessing their push into Sydney.
Bulldogs chief executive Mark Patterson said his club had pre-sold its tickets so it remained confident they could attract a good crowd.
The Bulldogs allowed Sydney members to purchase tickets pre-season while the Kangaroos didn't offer tickets for Sunday's game as part of the Swans pre-season package.
``We've worked closely with Sydney to maximise our opportunities and that's what we have tried to do,'' Patterson said.
``We have pre-sold so many tickets for the game and Sydney supporters have made a choice
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Bloodstained Angel
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Hmmm yes ...
What can I say ? except to repeat what I have said in earlier postings on this subject.
The Roos only have themselves to blame for this situation. If they had been a little less ruthless and a little more gracious and cooperative in their dealing with the Swans and the Swans supporter base, then Swans people may have been a little more inclined to have attended Sunday's game.
Miller has a point in saying Swans fans are 'fickle' yes they are to a degree but you don't go around putting an already fickle supporter base off side by using hard ball marketing tactics and then turning around and taking a swipe at them in the media.
Alot of Swans people probably thought on Sunday - "Why should I go and pay to watch the Swans play an away game against a team that has been bombarding my mailbox with stuff without so much as a by-your-leave ?"
And also to get into the SCG General Admission is $18.10 and a pre-booked seat can easily run to well over $35.00. Is it any wonder that not many Swans people felt like paying out this sort of money to the Roos ?
I really want to see the Roos do well up here because it represents a big part of the club's future strategies but I'm afraid its going from bad to worse for them at the moment.
What can I say ? except to repeat what I have said in earlier postings on this subject.
The Roos only have themselves to blame for this situation. If they had been a little less ruthless and a little more gracious and cooperative in their dealing with the Swans and the Swans supporter base, then Swans people may have been a little more inclined to have attended Sunday's game.
Miller has a point in saying Swans fans are 'fickle' yes they are to a degree but you don't go around putting an already fickle supporter base off side by using hard ball marketing tactics and then turning around and taking a swipe at them in the media.
Alot of Swans people probably thought on Sunday - "Why should I go and pay to watch the Swans play an away game against a team that has been bombarding my mailbox with stuff without so much as a by-your-leave ?"
And also to get into the SCG General Admission is $18.10 and a pre-booked seat can easily run to well over $35.00. Is it any wonder that not many Swans people felt like paying out this sort of money to the Roos ?
I really want to see the Roos do well up here because it represents a big part of the club's future strategies but I'm afraid its going from bad to worse for them at the moment.
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They've burnt their bridges now and it will cost them. All supporters are equally fickle, no point in singly anyone out, he clearly just cannot stand up to the pressure.
Mr Miller you must understand we support OUR team not YOUR team.
I hope the pressure makes him break out in boils.
Mr Miller you must understand we support OUR team not YOUR team.
I hope the pressure makes him break out in boils.
Bloodstained Angel
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Hell yes
How many do you think are gonna show up for the Port Adelaide game in May ?
I reckon the Roos are gonna be lucky to get 9000 to that one...
Which will surely leave their Sydney strategy in tatters.
How many do you think are gonna show up for the Port Adelaide game in May ?
I reckon the Roos are gonna be lucky to get 9000 to that one...
Which will surely leave their Sydney strategy in tatters.
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That's 9000 after they inflate the figures again.
there will not be rocks big enough for him to crawl under
there will not be rocks big enough for him to crawl under
Angel,
why wouldnt north hook up some deal with the swans pre-season to allow Sydney members to attend that game as part of their membership ticket, rather than making them pay again to see a north home game ????? Id be pissed off if I bought a swans membership which didnt allow me to get into a North v Sydney game at the SCG.
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why wouldnt north hook up some deal with the swans pre-season to allow Sydney members to attend that game as part of their membership ticket, rather than making them pay again to see a north home game ????? Id be pissed off if I bought a swans membership which didnt allow me to get into a North v Sydney game at the SCG.
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Because they are a bunch of w.ankers
Bloodstained Angel
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Well yes exactly
Of course that would have been the way to go - look at the deal between us and the Western Bulldogs.
Swans members had the option of attending the Bulldogs fixture for a small premium over their annual membership. Most Swans members took the option which means everyone is happy. Swans people can go to the game happy in the knowledge they can sit in their usual seat and they paid for the game months ago. The Dogs are happy because they have realised that if Swans people are happy then they will go to the game in droves and ensure a big crowd.
In short, evryone is happy with the arrangement because the deal was done in a spirit of good faith and even friendly co-operation.
The situation with the Kangaroos is different. There is no good faith and most certainly not much friendly co-operation so I think in an atomsphere of mutual distrust, the ordinary supporters who may (or may not) have been interested in attending the game were cut loose from their clubs and left to get to the game under their own steam.
This mess is just a bloody great shame as far I'm concerned, the Roos are blowing their big chance at establishing in Sydney and the Swans are getting deeper and deeper into a 'turf war' that they can do without.
Of course that would have been the way to go - look at the deal between us and the Western Bulldogs.
Swans members had the option of attending the Bulldogs fixture for a small premium over their annual membership. Most Swans members took the option which means everyone is happy. Swans people can go to the game happy in the knowledge they can sit in their usual seat and they paid for the game months ago. The Dogs are happy because they have realised that if Swans people are happy then they will go to the game in droves and ensure a big crowd.
In short, evryone is happy with the arrangement because the deal was done in a spirit of good faith and even friendly co-operation.
The situation with the Kangaroos is different. There is no good faith and most certainly not much friendly co-operation so I think in an atomsphere of mutual distrust, the ordinary supporters who may (or may not) have been interested in attending the game were cut loose from their clubs and left to get to the game under their own steam.
This mess is just a bloody great shame as far I'm concerned, the Roos are blowing their big chance at establishing in Sydney and the Swans are getting deeper and deeper into a 'turf war' that they can do without.
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Don't forget he's early claim in this whole saga that he felt swans fans were really just footy fans and would quickly switch to the w***ery's
If Don is a typical Swans fan, then we've got to be wondering exactly why the North administration is chasing them. Oh, and considering the passing away of Alan Piper of the Brisbane Lions, it could probably be considered to be poor taste to wish a painful death on Greg Miller.
Anyway, my thoughts on the North in Sydney exercise has been posted in other threads, and I don't want to rehash old arguments. But I will say that I think the North administration has done some wrong things in their approach to Sydney, but equally, the Swans haven't done the right thing by North either. But Don, if you're going to make comments on the issue, it would probably be useful to make an argument based on facts, opinion, and some sort of logical thought process rather than just a stream of abuse.
Anyway, my thoughts on the North in Sydney exercise has been posted in other threads, and I don't want to rehash old arguments. But I will say that I think the North administration has done some wrong things in their approach to Sydney, but equally, the Swans haven't done the right thing by North either. But Don, if you're going to make comments on the issue, it would probably be useful to make an argument based on facts, opinion, and some sort of logical thought process rather than just a stream of abuse.
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Maybe you should I never wished him dead just eternal agony. What point is there in reasoned arguements all he is worthy of is my disdain.
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Is this more to do with Greg getting Longmire and Carey to North, he must be a real dud.
Have Sydney sacked those fools yet?
Was it 60 or 70 thousand dollars for the two of them?
Have Sydney sacked those fools yet?
Was it 60 or 70 thousand dollars for the two of them?
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No its because we are sick of Norff being the club of the soft option. Your club is to administration what Paul Hudson is to soft goals and hard footy's. You constsntly live off the success or misfortune of other clubs.
Like the Fitzroy administrators who pointed out they you were the chief underminers of them doing things like telling Wayne Schwass that the club was prectically bankrupt. The whole Leigh Colbert thing sums up your clubs attitude on everything trying to take advantage of someone else's misfortune because you lack the imagination or resourcefulness to do anything yourselves.
It took years for Sydney administration to get it right but they did it through perspiration and imagination (yeah some help from the AFL). You try and live off their success, rather than foster your own supporters, and when it doesn't work what happens, soft option again blaming the Swans supporters, and you wonder why no one respects you.
Like the Fitzroy administrators who pointed out they you were the chief underminers of them doing things like telling Wayne Schwass that the club was prectically bankrupt. The whole Leigh Colbert thing sums up your clubs attitude on everything trying to take advantage of someone else's misfortune because you lack the imagination or resourcefulness to do anything yourselves.
It took years for Sydney administration to get it right but they did it through perspiration and imagination (yeah some help from the AFL). You try and live off their success, rather than foster your own supporters, and when it doesn't work what happens, soft option again blaming the Swans supporters, and you wonder why no one respects you.
Geeze....if our administration is soft, then softness must be the way to go. When Eddie McGuire took over Collingwood, you couldn't get through the doors of Arden Street without climbing over pile of job offers being given to people to switch from Arden Street to Victoria Park. And everytime an AFL job comes up, Greg Miller's name is always quoted. Besides, considering our club has a smaller fan base and less resources than other Victorian clubs, we haven't done too badly in the last six or seven years.
Anyway, give us at North some credit. Ex-North legend and president was as key force in helping to establish the Swans in Sydney. There was also Ron Barassi who coached your team. But the one that we're most proud of is the legendary ex-North administrator, Ron Joseph, who went up to Sydney for LESS PAY to help the Swans when they were in trouble.
Anyway, give us at North some credit. Ex-North legend and president was as key force in helping to establish the Swans in Sydney. There was also Ron Barassi who coached your team. But the one that we're most proud of is the legendary ex-North administrator, Ron Joseph, who went up to Sydney for LESS PAY to help the Swans when they were in trouble.
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God, this is all a bit nasty wishing diseases on people for expressing their opinion. What happened to freedom of speech?
Being a North supporter, personally I hate the fact that they have to go to Sydney to attract more members, it costs Melbourne members more money just to go all the way to Sydney to be loyal to their team and watch them play. But, to stay alive it looks like there is no other option.
Sydney has been thrown so many life lines in the past 15 or so years, I remember when they'd be lucky to get 10,000 (quote me if I'm wrong) supporters to a match in the 80's.
Anyway, my point is, aren't we all being a little over dramatic by an offhanded comment?
Being a North supporter, personally I hate the fact that they have to go to Sydney to attract more members, it costs Melbourne members more money just to go all the way to Sydney to be loyal to their team and watch them play. But, to stay alive it looks like there is no other option.
Sydney has been thrown so many life lines in the past 15 or so years, I remember when they'd be lucky to get 10,000 (quote me if I'm wrong) supporters to a match in the 80's.
Anyway, my point is, aren't we all being a little over dramatic by an offhanded comment?
Bloodstained Angel
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I have to stick up for Shinboners here
the criticism of Norths adminstration is unjustified.
If other footy clubs had people of even half the ability of Alan Aylett, Ron Joseph, Greg Miller, et al then it would be you guys who would be the envy of other clubs and not the other way around.
Look everyone accepts that maybe Norths could have done it a little smarter up here, Shinboner, Roylion, myself and others have talked about this extensively in other threads.
But that is not to take anything away from what has been a MOST IMRESSIVE performance by Norths off the field over the last 30 years or so.
Sure they are ruthless and can play hard ball tactics in their recruiting, fund-raising, marketing and general business strategies but hey, Norths are a small club that has to play hard in order to survive.
I'm not trying to say that Greg Miller is perfect, far from it, I was as pi**ed as any Swans supporter when I read his comments today but Shinboner has a point
If Miller is so bad, why is every club president trying to poach him ?
Why won't the rumours about him stepping into Collins' old job go away ?
He must be doing something right....
the criticism of Norths adminstration is unjustified.
If other footy clubs had people of even half the ability of Alan Aylett, Ron Joseph, Greg Miller, et al then it would be you guys who would be the envy of other clubs and not the other way around.
Look everyone accepts that maybe Norths could have done it a little smarter up here, Shinboner, Roylion, myself and others have talked about this extensively in other threads.
But that is not to take anything away from what has been a MOST IMRESSIVE performance by Norths off the field over the last 30 years or so.
Sure they are ruthless and can play hard ball tactics in their recruiting, fund-raising, marketing and general business strategies but hey, Norths are a small club that has to play hard in order to survive.
I'm not trying to say that Greg Miller is perfect, far from it, I was as pi**ed as any Swans supporter when I read his comments today but Shinboner has a point
If Miller is so bad, why is every club president trying to poach him ?
Why won't the rumours about him stepping into Collins' old job go away ?
He must be doing something right....
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About $50000 I think Lenny! I wonder who the real W***kers are? I bet if the Bulldogs were playing 5 games in Siddey and the Roos 1 all your vitriol would be directed their way. Are you guys seriously saying you're upset by a marketing strategy? Diddums. The Roos are directing most of their marketing money to promote the other Sydney games as it seemed "reasonable" to expect Siddey supporters to jump at the chance to see their team live. About 7000 didn't compared to last year- So now at least we KNOW they're fickle!! The Roos also have to deal with Richard "Mr Two Hats" Colless with a vested interest in the Swans that's way out of kilter with the AFL's long term strategy for Sydney. He's been as useless as you know what but he's the Chairman of the NSW AFL Commission! I don't think Sydney will viable for a second team for 20 years anyway so we might as well just take the money and put up with all the w**k!
Well I am a Roo supporter you might remember me from such topics as serious thoughts on Carey and the REAL COLONIAL.
Im pretty annoyed with some of the comments here.
Lets face it we all hate other teams I hate the SA teams the most ( long story just go to a game there )
But do you really want to see other teams fold up like Fitzroy.
Do any of you know any die hard Fitzroy supporters.
I do and they are still shattered by whats happened to them and dont follow footy any more.
Just imagine if your team folded I know I would be shattered.
As for picking on North, well the facts are for some reason although we have been extremely successful in the last 7 years our members are still in hiding.
We are not very financial and lets face it the Carey days are slowly going 2-3 years.
So the roos have tried a radical approach good on them I say.
I hate the fact they play in Sydney but I still want to follow and support a team in 20 years and if they happen to play mainly in Sydney then thats better then nothing.
As for Colbert well I am from Geelong and I know a bit more then whats been let on.
Lets just say he had to get out of Geelong and he is very happy at North.
Lets look at his facts a bit hes young but still only gets 6-8 years to play footy.
All he wants is to win a grand final and he chose north to give him that opportunity.
What he did to Geelong sucks yes, but he wants to be successful can you blame him.
Lets not wish death and destruction of other teams if we lose too many teams in Melbourne then too many supporters will be turned away.
North are hungry to make Sydney work come on theres close to 4 million people there hits a huge market waiting and North may have stepped over the boundry.
We are not talking footy now its business and personally its greed too and its wrecking the game, but I hope North try and do everything to stop merging.
Im pretty annoyed with some of the comments here.
Lets face it we all hate other teams I hate the SA teams the most ( long story just go to a game there )
But do you really want to see other teams fold up like Fitzroy.
Do any of you know any die hard Fitzroy supporters.
I do and they are still shattered by whats happened to them and dont follow footy any more.
Just imagine if your team folded I know I would be shattered.
As for picking on North, well the facts are for some reason although we have been extremely successful in the last 7 years our members are still in hiding.
We are not very financial and lets face it the Carey days are slowly going 2-3 years.
So the roos have tried a radical approach good on them I say.
I hate the fact they play in Sydney but I still want to follow and support a team in 20 years and if they happen to play mainly in Sydney then thats better then nothing.
As for Colbert well I am from Geelong and I know a bit more then whats been let on.
Lets just say he had to get out of Geelong and he is very happy at North.
Lets look at his facts a bit hes young but still only gets 6-8 years to play footy.
All he wants is to win a grand final and he chose north to give him that opportunity.
What he did to Geelong sucks yes, but he wants to be successful can you blame him.
Lets not wish death and destruction of other teams if we lose too many teams in Melbourne then too many supporters will be turned away.
North are hungry to make Sydney work come on theres close to 4 million people there hits a huge market waiting and North may have stepped over the boundry.
We are not talking footy now its business and personally its greed too and its wrecking the game, but I hope North try and do everything to stop merging.
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On what grounds is Greg Miller successful when he runs the least profitable and lowest supported club in the AFL. Compare them to Essendon over the same period, if someone really wanted him they would have offered enough money and he'd be gone by now so that's crap.
They tried Canberra and that looked like hard work so they went the next easy option.
On Fitzroy watching Norffs dickhead administration smothering themselves in butter to pick over the bones of Fitzroy made me sick in the guts.
They tried Canberra and that looked like hard work so they went the next easy option.
On Fitzroy watching Norffs dickhead administration smothering themselves in butter to pick over the bones of Fitzroy made me sick in the guts.
Well I am a Roo supporter you might remember me from such topics as serious thoughts on Carey and the REAL COLONIAL.
Im pretty annoyed with some of the comments here.
Lets face it we all hate other teams I hate the SA teams the most ( long story just go to a game there )
But do you really want to see other teams fold up like Fitzroy.
Do any of you know any die hard Fitzroy supporters.
I do and they are still shattered by whats happened to them and dont follow footy any more.
Just imagine if your team folded I know I would be shattered.
As for picking on North, well the facts are for some reason although we have been extremely successful in the last 7 years our members are still in hiding.
We are not very financial and lets face it the Carey days are slowly going 2-3 years.
So the roos have tried a radical approach good on them I say.
I hate the fact they play in Sydney but I still want to follow and support a team in 20 years and if they happen to play mainly in Sydney then thats better then nothing.
As for Colbert well I am from Geelong and I know a bit more then whats been let on.
Lets just say he had to get out of Geelong and he is very happy at North.
Lets look at his facts a bit hes young but still only gets 6-8 years to play footy.
All he wants is to win a grand final and he chose north to give him that opportunity.
What he did to Geelong sucks yes, but he wants to be successful can you blame him.
Lets not wish death and destruction of other teams if we lose too many teams in Melbourne then too many supporters will be turned away.
North are hungry to make Sydney work come on theres close to 4 million people there hits a huge market waiting and North may have stepped over the boundry.
We are not talking footy now its business and personally its greed too and its wrecking the game, but I hope North try and do everything to stop merging.
Im pretty annoyed with some of the comments here.
Lets face it we all hate other teams I hate the SA teams the most ( long story just go to a game there )
But do you really want to see other teams fold up like Fitzroy.
Do any of you know any die hard Fitzroy supporters.
I do and they are still shattered by whats happened to them and dont follow footy any more.
Just imagine if your team folded I know I would be shattered.
As for picking on North, well the facts are for some reason although we have been extremely successful in the last 7 years our members are still in hiding.
We are not very financial and lets face it the Carey days are slowly going 2-3 years.
So the roos have tried a radical approach good on them I say.
I hate the fact they play in Sydney but I still want to follow and support a team in 20 years and if they happen to play mainly in Sydney then thats better then nothing.
As for Colbert well I am from Geelong and I know a bit more then whats been let on.
Lets just say he had to get out of Geelong and he is very happy at North.
Lets look at his facts a bit hes young but still only gets 6-8 years to play footy.
All he wants is to win a grand final and he chose north to give him that opportunity.
What he did to Geelong sucks yes, but he wants to be successful can you blame him.
Lets not wish death and destruction of other teams if we lose too many teams in Melbourne then too many supporters will be turned away.
North are hungry to make Sydney work come on theres close to 4 million people there hits a huge market waiting and North may have stepped over the boundry.
We are not talking footy now its business and personally its greed too and its wrecking the game, but I hope North try and do everything to stop merging.
Don ask any Fitzroy supporter they wanted the merge with North to happen.
That way they could still support and go to games in Melbourne.
You need to pull your head in and get your facts straight.
Your way off on this one and the Colbert one.
As for North trying new ideas thats business and its dog eat dog world. You must really be angry we got Carey and Longmire so cheap.
Grow up it happened so long ago get over it pencil neck or is the real issue 96
That way they could still support and go to games in Melbourne.
You need to pull your head in and get your facts straight.
Your way off on this one and the Colbert one.
As for North trying new ideas thats business and its dog eat dog world. You must really be angry we got Carey and Longmire so cheap.
Grow up it happened so long ago get over it pencil neck or is the real issue 96
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Why don't you speak to people like Leon Wiegard about how he felt about Norff's treatment of Fitzroy