Hand Discussion Thread

[matt_897]

This is a thread for people to discuss any hands they they want feedback on or other people thoughts. All about tricky spots where we can share our views on how to play hands. A bit different to a plain bad beat. Anybody feel free to discuss, post hands and ask questions, it's the best way to learn.

 

[Happy Daze]

Is this fold too nitty? The villain hadn't bet postflop for the 50 hand sample I had, and all of a sudden comes out blasting OOP on the turn. Versus most players the turn is a call; the actual range of hands he's repping here is very small. I find these spots hard versus players I have virtually no information on.

PokerStars Hand #117183658700: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2014/06/07 1:14:21 AEST [2014/06/06 11:14:21 ET]
Table 'Ute III' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Anong245 ($24.25 in chips)
Seat 2: dzesio18 ($35.60 in chips)
Seat 3: metani ($28.17 in chips)
Seat 5: ApprovedDuke ($27.92 in chips)
Seat 6: Astro39 ($49.26 in chips)
dzesio18: posts small blind $0.10
metani: posts big blind $0.25
Eckesachs: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Astro39 [Qs Qc]
ApprovedDuke: raises $0.38 to $0.63
Astro39: raises $1.17 to $1.80
Anong245: folds
dzesio18: folds
metani: folds
ApprovedDuke: calls $1.17
*** FLOP *** [Td 4h 4d]
ApprovedDuke: checks
Astro39: bets $2.26
ApprovedDuke: calls $2.26
*** TURN *** [Td 4h 4d] [7c]
ApprovedDuke: bets $5.66
Astro39: folds
Uncalled bet ($5.66) returned to ApprovedDuke
ApprovedDuke collected $8.09 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.47 | Rake $0.38
Board [Td 4h 4d 7c]
Seat 1: Anong245 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: dzesio18 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: metani (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: ApprovedDuke collected ($8.09)
Seat 6: Astro39 folded on the Turn

 

[ashley12]

I think I would call and then call without further info but other that comes down to personal dynamics.

Against a relatively bad player (who won't flat AA and KK for balance etc...) I don't see enough value hands for him to pile against us in this manner, plus overpairs be tough to get yo.

 

[Happy Daze]

This villain is a reg, very passive though. Not sure he has the river bluff in his arsenal from the 400 hundred or so hands or so I've seen. I block J10, but the river is not a great card overall and I'm really just guessing here given his line, especially given he does not play his draws aggressively on the flop or turn. Therefore C/F is OK on the river?

PokerStars Hand #117289779659: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2014/06/09 9:56:22 AEST [2014/06/08 19:56:22 ET]
Table 'Amelia II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Astro39 ($25 in chips)
Seat 2: AK-499 ($26.96 in chips)
Seat 3: SmbodySTOPme ($31.44 in chips)
Seat 4: dawnerr ($60.91 in chips)
Seat 5: DanielHT ($31.04 in chips)
Seat 6: Ric@rdo$V ($40.22 in chips)
Astro39: posts small blind $0.10
AK-499: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Astro39 [Ad Td]
SmbodySTOPme: folds
dawnerr: folds
DanielHT: folds
Ric@rdo$V: raises $0.37 to $0.62
Astro39: raises $1.28 to $1.90
AK-499: folds
Ric@rdo$V: calls $1.28
*** FLOP *** [5c Ah 9c]
Astro39: bets $2.32
Ric@rdo$V: calls $2.32
*** TURN *** [5c Ah 9c] [8h]
Astro39: bets $4.98
Ric@rdo$V: calls $4.98
*** RIVER *** [5c Ah 9c 8h] [Qc]
Astro39: checks
Ric@rdo$V: bets $31.02 and is all-in
Astro39: folds
Uncalled bet ($31.02) returned to Ric@rdo$V
Ric@rdo$V collected $17.81 from pot
Ric@rdo$V: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $18.65 | Rake $0.84
Board [5c Ah 9c 8h Qc]
Seat 1: Astro39 (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: AK-499 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: SmbodySTOPme folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: dawnerr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: DanielHT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Ric@rdo$V (button) collected ($17.81)

 

[ashley12]

Would you ever flat pre?

I like the river c/f though. If he is unlikely to play draws aggressively, then he is also unlikely to float with JT type hands though, particularly on ace high boards.

 

[Happy Daze]

I'm more likely to flat with that sort of hand in the BB than the small, given I close the action - the BB had a super high vpip of flatting 37% of hands from the BB, so if I flat there I would be OOP a lot of the time versus 2 players as the BB would, with reason, think "I'm priced in". Also bttn has a decently high fold to 3 bet (55) and is opening a pretty large range on the bttn obviously, so it makes sense to attack his open from that perspective, while shutting out the BB (all of this is info is one click away in the HUD).

The sort of 3 betting range I would have in the SB are small pockets, highish suited connectors/suited gappers, premiums, sometimes suited Ks etc, with the odd complete trash thrown in - sometimes I will flat a hand like A10 or KJ but that depends on if a non-reg has limped from EP, or the bttn is flatting every 3 bet as standard etc. Almost always I will flat mid pockets, some premiums - my flatting range from the SB is pretty small versus a reg. In these games playing against the regs is a steal/resteal game given a lot of the time to get any chips out of each other you have to either do that, cold deck them somehow or run some pretty awesome bluffs. Having said that, possibly my 3 bet levels are a bit too high from the blinds which is something I probably should look at addressing, playing bloated pots OOP isn't great overall.

Unfortunately its just a fact of life I'll find myself OOP in a 3 bet pot sometimes where I'm at a turn or river and just in a ton of difficulty - versus good players (this villain I don't think is, but is still at least competent) its a nightmare.

 

[Happy Daze]

This villain has a very good record at micro BI tournies, is this line taken by him standard or just a bad spew? I guess defending 96o BB vs SB isn't that bad given he has position but the flop and turn plays?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 8.8 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds 20 Ante (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

MP2 (t2,195)
MP3 (t6,543)
CO (t4,809)
Button (t2,294)
Hero (SB) (t8,711)
BB (t11,889)
UTG (t10,092)
UTG+1 (t6,295)
MP1 (t9,896)

Hero's M: 21.51

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

, 8

7 folds, Hero raises to t375, BB calls t225

Flop: (t930) K

, 5

, 8

(2 players)
Hero bets t375, BB raises to t900, Hero calls t525

Turn: (t2,730) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t900, Hero calls t900

River: (t4,530) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t3,000, Hero calls t3,000

Total pot: t10,530

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero didn't show J

, 8

(three of a kind, eights).
BB had 9

, 6

(straight, nine high).
Outcome: BB won t10,530

 

[Happy Daze]

This is sort of a general question about these sorts of situations that arise from time to time on rivers where you basically have the nuts vs recreational players.

In a previous hand this villain had 4 bet shipped over 200 BB to a standard sized 3 bet among other things, so probably isn't a regular cash game player. On the river I had a decision to make about my sizing, and I think I made a mistake by shoving AI - maybe a min raise might have been a better play? What's the general philosophy in these situations versus these sorts of players? Its obviously very hard for him to have something that is callable to an AI.

Edit, don't think it came across in the original post but this guy/girl is super super super spewy.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

BB ($25.55)
UTG ($25.20)
MP ($56.73)
CO ($51.74)
Button ($27.61)
Hero (SB) ($33.24)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

, A

2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.20, 1 fold, CO calls $1.45

Flop: ($4.65) Q

, 9

, Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.66, CO calls $2.66

Turn: ($9.97) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $4, Hero calls $4

River: ($17.97) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8.58, Hero raises to $24.38 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $35.13 | Rake: $1.58

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero didn't show Q

, A

(full house, Queens over nines).

 

[Happy Daze]

Villain super passive 31/9 no aggression, previously called rivers with very strong hands on clean boards.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 22 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds 10 Ante (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Hero (Button) (t4,167)
SB (t6,234)
BB (t3,666)
UTG (t6,107)
MP (t16,003)
CO (t2,600)

Hero's M: 19.84

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, 9

3 folds, Hero raises to t200, 1 fold, BB calls t100

Flop: (t510) 8

, 10

, 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t306, BB calls t306

Turn: (t1,122) J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t673, BB calls t673

River: (t2,468) 8

(2 players)
BB bets t2,477 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: t2,468

Results below:

Spoiler

BB didn't show

 

[Happy Daze]

This is something like I was talking about with AJo in the other thread, fair enough this is AJ suited, but whatever. I'm not saying that AJ isn't a playable hand but I see a lot of people play it like this or just misplay it generally.

This villain just 4 bet happy, 4 betting roughly 11% of hands overall - 30% of his opens he is 4 betting and he's opening ~ 27% of hands. So he 4 bets AJdd and just spews away a BI. Had a discussion with a mate tonight about whether I made a mistake by not shoving river (I think I did, he doesn't) - I was basically calling down any runout except a J (J would likely go chk/chk river given his actual hand) or a 10, and I didn't take my time on the river to think about it like I should have, wasn't worried about the K because of his sizing. Villain was slowly going to Tiltsville as was having a bad time of it on a few tables and I think shoving likely the best play on the river.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Button ($25)
SB ($26.20)
BB ($29.02)
UTG ($49.81)
Hero (MP) ($90.22)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A

, Q

UTG raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $2.20, 3 folds, UTG raises to $4, Hero calls $1.80

Flop: ($8.35) 3

, 6

, 7

(2 players)
UTG bets $3.80, Hero calls $3.80

Turn: ($15.95) K

(2 players)
UTG bets $7.16, Hero calls $7.16

River: ($30.27) A

(2 players)
UTG bets $13.60, Hero calls $13.60

Total pot: $57.47 | Rake: $2

Results below:

Spoiler

UTG had J

, A

(one pair, Aces).
Hero had A

, Q

(one pair, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $55.47

 

[ashley12]

Big positional difference and game type IMO (as well as stack depth), but that is just me.

I actually don't mind the AJ line from postflop onwards.

 

[Happy Daze]

Big positional difference and game type IMO (as well as stack depth), but that is just me.

I actually don't mind the AJ line from postflop onwards.

Probably in isolation its not a bad play but he had the problem of how the table viewed him given his previous play and our adjustment to it - possibly I haven't painted the entire dynamic that well but it wasn't really a good time for him to be barrelling light. He also has an issue if I didn't just snap call the river and instead thought for 3 seconds and shoved over his river bet. Good bye another BI. Which points to one of the issues with a hand like AJ generally, regardless of stack depth.

 

[ashley12]

Im struggling to think of hands you can shove the river with that would play this way (aside from AK, but I assume you 5bet that hand anyway pre), and in terms of AJ flushing away a buyin by calling against exactly AQ would be one hell of a value shove vs the average 4bet range.

 

[Happy Daze]

Im struggling to think of hands you can shove the river with that would play this way (aside from AK, but I assume you 5bet that hand anyway pre), and in terms of AJ flushing away a buyin by calling against exactly AQ would be one hell of a value shove vs the average 4bet range.

By the river his preflop 4-bet range is clearer. It would be ununusual for this particular player to bet thinnish on the river with Kx as he has showdown and is OOP and the A drops and he's vs a player who has flatted a 4 bet preflop, he's also not 3 barrelling underpairs, so they are out of the mix. AK is possible (as are rivered 2pairs), but his sizing on the river would be quite a deal larger in this situation, so that leaves basically his bluffs and his Ax and in fact to make up an 11% range of hands that he could have, quite a deal of his range is Ax, not just AJ. Even with a range that includes non-equity bluffs like QT, QJ, JT and the semi-bluffs like 85s, 89s, there are still a slew of Ax hands that are in there, so A2-5s (excluding A3), A8-AJ both suited and off he's 4 bet in a blocker type of situation (which isn't smart given how deep we both are). So yeah, a big part of his range can't call a shove, but quite a deal of it can, especially given he's on tilt. I understand what you are saying, as my mate had the same point of view as you and in game I just called so I went that route anyway, but after looking at the hand afterward I think I missed a ton of value by not shoving.

 

[Happy Daze]

^ ^ and even if we shrink the Ax part of his range, and expand his bluff range, that smaller Ax range is still exploitable to a shove. His bluff hands aren't calling any sort of shove or raise, but his Ax hands could and probably would especially given the state of his mind at the time.

 

[Glenno23]

Guys, can i get some thoughts on my call here?

Guy had raised a few times on the button in previous rounds (one time i 3 bet him and got him to fold) but he was rather aggro

This time he open shoves for a pretty big stack, i'm a fair bit above average too, but i put him on a Kx or weak A. So do i call, or do i fold?

He flops a gut shot, turns the A and catch you later, i'm done

My goal is to go deep in tourneys, so want to build stacks, not scrape cashes, so was hoping i had him beat pretty easily (i did, but got unlucky) Should i have folded to the shove, or am i ahead a lot of the time and thats a call in these $4.40 tourneys?

Finished 75th in this one yesterday and wa splaying superbly until this hand tonight

Cheers for any feedback

PokerStars Hand #118282082888: Tournament #929518896, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (250/500) - 2014/07/03 8:46:55 ET
Table '929518896 27' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: poyrsan (17162 in chips)
Seat 2: BrOA Sjdr (7770 in chips)
Seat 3: AFRIKANOCHKA (19737 in chips)
Seat 4: Evolved23 (11485 in chips)
Seat 5: Kleckis (8172 in chips)
Seat 6: vachtazar (16462 in chips)
Seat 7: DeepSea Dive (9617 in chips)
Seat 8: _Nutallery_ (7886 in chips)
Seat 9: pello222 (7757 in chips)
poyrsan: posts the ante 60
BrOA Sjdr: posts the ante 60
AFRIKANOCHKA: posts the ante 60
Evolved23: posts the ante 60
Kleckis: posts the ante 60
vachtazar: posts the ante 60
DeepSea Dive: posts the ante 60
_Nutallery_: posts the ante 60
pello222: posts the ante 60
Evolved23: posts small blind 250
Kleckis: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Evolved23 [Jc Js]
vachtazar: folds
DeepSea Dive: folds
_Nutallery_: folds
pello222: folds
poyrsan: folds
BrOA Sjdr: folds
AFRIKANOCHKA: raises 19177 to 19677 and is all-in
Evolved23: calls 11175 and is all-in
Kleckis: folds
Uncalled bet (8252) returned to AFRIKANOCHKA
*** FLOP *** [7s 8d 5d]
*** TURN *** [7s 8d 5d] [Ad]
*** RIVER *** [7s 8d 5d Ad] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Evolved23: shows [Jc Js] (a pair of Jacks)
AFRIKANOCHKA: shows [As 4c] (a pair of Aces)
AFRIKANOCHKA collected 23890 from pot
Evolved23 finished the tournament in 928th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 23890 | Rake 0
Board [7s 8d 5d Ad 9h]
Seat 1: poyrsan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: BrOA Sjdr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: AFRIKANOCHKA (button) showed [As 4c] and won (23890) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: Evolved23 (small blind) showed [Jc Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 5: Kleckis (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: vachtazar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: DeepSea Dive folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: _Nutallery_ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: pello222 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[baz_machine]

Guys, can i get some thoughts on my call here?

Guy had raised a few times on the button in previous rounds (one time i 3 bet him and got him to fold) but he was rather aggro

This time he open shoves for a pretty big stack, i'm a fair bit above average too, but i put him on a Kx or weak A. So do i call, or do i fold?

He flops a gut shot, turns the A and catch you later, i'm done

My goal is to go deep in tourneys, so want to build stacks, not scrape cashes, so was hoping i had him beat pretty easily (i did, but got unlucky) Should i have folded to the shove, or am i ahead a lot of the time and thats a call in these $4.40 tourneys?

Finished 75th in this one yesterday and wa splaying superbly until this hand tonight

Cheers for any feedback

PokerStars Hand #118282082888: Tournament #929518896, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (250/500) - 2014/07/03 8:46:55 ET
Table '929518896 27' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: poyrsan (17162 in chips)
Seat 2: BrOA Sjdr (7770 in chips)
Seat 3: AFRIKANOCHKA (19737 in chips)
Seat 4: Evolved23 (11485 in chips)
Seat 5: Kleckis (8172 in chips)
Seat 6: vachtazar (16462 in chips)
Seat 7: DeepSea Dive (9617 in chips)
Seat 8: _Nutallery_ (7886 in chips)
Seat 9: pello222 (7757 in chips)
poyrsan: posts the ante 60
BrOA Sjdr: posts the ante 60
AFRIKANOCHKA: posts the ante 60
Evolved23: posts the ante 60
Kleckis: posts the ante 60
vachtazar: posts the ante 60
DeepSea Dive: posts the ante 60
_Nutallery_: posts the ante 60
pello222: posts the ante 60
Evolved23: posts small blind 250
Kleckis: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Evolved23 [Jc Js]
vachtazar: folds
DeepSea Dive: folds
_Nutallery_: folds
pello222: folds
poyrsan: folds
BrOA Sjdr: folds
AFRIKANOCHKA: raises 19177 to 19677 and is all-in
Evolved23: calls 11175 and is all-in
Kleckis: folds
Uncalled bet (8252) returned to AFRIKANOCHKA
*** FLOP *** [7s 8d 5d]
*** TURN *** [7s 8d 5d] [Ad]
*** RIVER *** [7s 8d 5d Ad] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Evolved23: shows [Jc Js] (a pair of Jacks)
AFRIKANOCHKA: shows [As 4c] (a pair of Aces)
AFRIKANOCHKA collected 23890 from pot
Evolved23 finished the tournament in 928th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 23890 | Rake 0
Board [7s 8d 5d Ad 9h]
Seat 1: poyrsan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: BrOA Sjdr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: AFRIKANOCHKA (button) showed [As 4c] and won (23890) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: Evolved23 (small blind) showed [Jc Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 5: Kleckis (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: vachtazar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: DeepSea Dive folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: _Nutallery_ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: pello222 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

20 BB; it's a easy call.

The only thing your worried about is AA, KK, QQ and really would they open shove that on the button? The "normal" play would be just to raise x2 - x3 BB as per normal.

 

[Glenno23]

I figured that i'm ahead 80% of the time, a flip 10% of the time and crushed 10% of the time

Just hate plays like that, but its part of poker

 

[baz_machine]

I figured that i'm ahead 80% of the time, a flip 10% of the time and crushed 10% of the time

Just hate plays like that, but its part of poker

you thought through the play, made the call based on what you based on his actions

if you keep doing that, you'll see the results upswing

 

[Glenno23]

you thought through the play, made the call based on what you based on his actions

if you keep doing that, you'll see the results upswing

Hope so!

Had a horror weekend after a cracker last weekend. Lost (nearly) every flip.

Had AA cracked by J6 when there was less than 100 left in the Hot $4.40 with 2.5K up top

Lost JJ vs 77 when they flopped quads

Lost JJ vs 88 when they flopped set

Lost KK to A10 (twice in different tourneys)

Lost AK vs KQ after a flop of K 9 2 (they went runner runner straight)

Lost AA to QJ. flopped A 2 6. 10 then the K river

And there were 3 other tourneys where i got it in ahead, flopped the card i needed, only to see them hit runner runner

It was brutal, never had a weekend like it. I never felt comfortable (even getting it in 90-10!), so i stopped playing

But i'll be back on for the Micro Millions next week where i'm gonna try to play 2 tables, instead of the 4 i usually play and see if i can make better disciplined decisions......

First even i'll play will probs be the $8.80 PLO, but may play one on the Thursday night too, as i'm on annual leave

 

[Glenno23]

What do you guys make of my fold here?

Was more scared about the chip leader being involved and thought it may have been a race. But i had a ton of blinds and still a top 10 stack

Good fold?

PokerStars Hand #118910132067: Tournament #937131218, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (40/80) - 2014/07/18 8:05:48 ET
Table '937131218 143' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: tim pinheiro (2920 in chips)
Seat 2: Titokowaru11 (23130 in chips)
Seat 3: iuliiaya (1467 in chips)
Seat 4: Go0o0ofy (3100 in chips)
Seat 5: MlTCHEL (1655 in chips)
Seat 6: thirsty_eh (5368 in chips)
Seat 7: Evolved23 (15240 in chips)
Seat 8: paulotoatoa (3000 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: pralloo91 (2640 in chips)
thirsty_eh: posts small blind 40
Evolved23: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Evolved23 [Ks Ac]
paulotoatoa: folds
pralloo91: calls 80
tim pinheiro: raises 120 to 200
Titokowaru11: calls 200
iuliiaya: folds
Go0o0ofy: calls 200
MlTCHEL: folds
thirsty_eh: raises 5168 to 5368 and is all-in
Evolved23: folds
pralloo91: folds
tim pinheiro: calls 2720 and is all-in
Titokowaru11: folds
Go0o0ofy: folds
Uncalled bet (2448) returned to thirsty_eh
*** FLOP *** [2s As Tc]
*** TURN *** [2s As Tc] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [2s As Tc 6h] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
thirsty_eh: shows [Js Jh] (a pair of Jacks)
tim pinheiro: shows [Jc Jd] (a pair of Jacks)
thirsty_eh collected 3200 from pot
tim pinheiro collected 3200 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6400 | Rake 0
Board [2s As Tc 6h 4d]
Seat 1: tim pinheiro showed [Jc Jd] and won (3200) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 2: Titokowaru11 folded before Flop
Seat 3: iuliiaya folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Go0o0ofy folded before Flop
Seat 5: MlTCHEL (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: thirsty_eh (small blind) showed [Js Jh] and won (3200) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 7: Evolved23 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: paulotoatoa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: pralloo91 folded before Flop

Woulda been huge and propelled me to over 200BB's though! But i think the fold was the right move IMO

 

[Glenno23]

Any other way i could've played this LHE hand from the MM's?

Is he folding if i raise after the 2nd A hits?

Mind you, he did 4 bet me with Q10 off suit out of position

PokerStars Hand #118942634488: Tournament #932545526, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em Limit - Level XXI (1600/3200) - 2014/07/18 23:51:48 ET
Table '932545526 63' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: sprite66 (30505 in chips)
Seat 2: vaquerocc (39203 in chips)
Seat 3: Evolved23 (37785 in chips)
Seat 4: enemynines (21732 in chips)
Seat 5: Cichykrzys (22380 in chips)
Seat 6: svetlyiy1980 (49607 in chips)
svetlyiy1980: posts small blind 800
sprite66: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Evolved23 [Ac Kc]
vaquerocc: raises 1600 to 3200
Evolved23: raises 1600 to 4800
enemynines: folds
Cichykrzys: folds
svetlyiy1980: folds
sprite66: folds
vaquerocc: raises 1600 to 6400
Betting is capped
Evolved23: calls 1600
*** FLOP *** [3s Ts As]
vaquerocc: bets 1600
Evolved23: calls 1600
*** TURN *** [3s Ts As] [Ah]
vaquerocc: bets 3200
Evolved23: calls 3200
*** RIVER *** [3s Ts As Ah] [Js]
vaquerocc: bets 3200
Evolved23: calls 3200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
vaquerocc: shows [Qs Tc] (a flush, Ace high)
Evolved23: mucks hand
vaquerocc collected 31200 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 31200 | Rake 0
Board [3s Ts As Ah Js]
Seat 1: sprite66 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: vaquerocc showed [Qs Tc] and won (31200) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: Evolved23 mucked [Ac Kc]
Seat 4: enemynines folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Cichykrzys (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: svetlyiy1980 (small blind) folded before Flop

 

[Glenno23]

What does everyone make of this fold?

guy in BB has shown to be quite loose and has been raising a lot......

Soon as i folded i thought i should've called, but played it safe with the AK with 40+ BB's left

Mistake, or good lay down?

PokerStars Hand #119566608681: Tournament #940986458, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (50/100) - 2014/08/02 8:29:06 ET
Table '940986458 40' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Y.Zakharov (6129 in chips)
Seat 2: mehail (4090 in chips)
Seat 3: vitalowicz (8101 in chips)
Seat 4: Evolved23 (4620 in chips)
Seat 5: Damri (2367 in chips)
Seat 6: SnakeMI (7155 in chips)
Y.Zakharov: posts the ante 10
mehail: posts the ante 10
vitalowicz: posts the ante 10
Evolved23: posts the ante 10
Damri: posts the ante 10
SnakeMI: posts the ante 10
mehail: posts small blind 50
vitalowicz: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Evolved23 [Kh Ah]
Evolved23: raises 125 to 225
Damri: raises 2132 to 2357 and is all-in
SnakeMI: folds
Y.Zakharov: folds
mehail: folds
vitalowicz: raises 5734 to 8091 and is all-in
Evolved23: folds
Uncalled bet (5734) returned to vitalowicz
*** FLOP *** [3h 9h 3c]
*** TURN *** [3h 9h 3c] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [3h 9h 3c 4c] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
vitalowicz: shows [Kc Qc] (a pair of Threes)
Damri: shows [Tc Ks] (a pair of Threes - lower kicker)
vitalowicz collected 5049 from pot
Damri finished the tournament in 803rd place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5049 | Rake 0
Board [3h 9h 3c 4c Js]
Seat 1: Y.Zakharov (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: mehail (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: vitalowicz (big blind) showed [Kc Qc] and won (5049) with a pair of Threes
Seat 4: Evolved23 folded before Flop
Seat 5: Damri showed [Tc Ks] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 6: SnakeMI folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[Glenno23]

Don't know why the guy with nothing is betting into a sidepot with no chips in it......

Don't get that at all... 10 high

PokerStars Hand #127118001285: Tournament #1075178223, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (300/600) - 2014/12/19 8:51:40 ET
Table '1075178223 6' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Pokerpiet777 (13543 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: $<Hada-Tum>$ (18696 in chips)
Seat 3: olandez346 (15564 in chips)
Seat 4: dendimiiser (5264 in chips)
Seat 5: gilion999 (1240 in chips)
Seat 6: TomAATTe (6975 in chips)
Seat 7: Evolved23 (39132 in chips)
Seat 8: markoailton (14815 in chips)
Seat 9: Youthiele (4580 in chips)
Pokerpiet777: posts the ante 70
$<Hada-Tum>$: posts the ante 70
olandez346: posts the ante 70
dendimiiser: posts the ante 70
gilion999: posts the ante 70
TomAATTe: posts the ante 70
Evolved23: posts the ante 70
markoailton: posts the ante 70
Youthiele: posts the ante 70
markoailton: posts small blind 300
Youthiele: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Evolved23 [Qd Kd]
Pokerpiet777: folds
$<Hada-Tum>$: folds
olandez346: folds
dendimiiser: calls 600
gilion999: raises 570 to 1170 and is all-in
TomAATTe: folds
Evolved23: calls 1170
markoailton: calls 870
Youthiele: folds
dendimiiser: calls 570
*** FLOP *** [Js 3d 5c]
markoailton: checks
dendimiiser: checks
Evolved23: checks
*** TURN *** [Js 3d 5c] [3c]
markoailton: checks
dendimiiser: checks
Evolved23: checks
*** RIVER *** [Js 3d 5c 3c] [8h]
markoailton: bets 2955
dendimiiser: folds
Evolved23: folds
Uncalled bet (2955) returned to markoailton
*** SHOW DOWN ***
markoailton: shows [Td 9s] (a pair of Threes)
gilion999: shows [Tc As] (a pair of Threes - Ace kicker)
gilion999 collected 5910 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5910 | Rake 0
Board [Js 3d 5c 3c 8h]
Seat 1: Pokerpiet777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: $<Hada-Tum>$ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: olandez346 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: dendimiiser folded on the River
Seat 5: gilion999 showed [Tc As] and won (5910) with a pair of Threes
Seat 6: TomAATTe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Evolved23 (button) folded on the River
Seat 8: markoailton (small blind) showed [Td 9s] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 9: Youthiele (big blind) folded before Flop

 

[JuddsABlue]

While in this instance it's fairly poor, there are some instances where betting in to an empty sidepot as a bluff is ok

Example, I raise with KQo, a short stack shoves (his range is super wide and has a lot of hands worse than QJ), then there's an overcall by somebody, who obviously has better than QJ

so you call, and the flop comes a very blank 236r, in this case you could bluff against a lot of Ace highs, because your QJ is still ahead of the all in players range, getting the obvious stronger hand out of the pot is good for you