Has Eade been there too long?

[undercoverlover]

guys just got back from the game , saw an indoor team play an outdoor team, when it was wet we tried to play dry weather football, in fact we came back when theweather was improving and it didnt rain for a while.

but the question is had rodney been there to long , he hasnt beaten a guine top 4 teams on 10 attempts, he went into this came with a bad game plan.
the players would rather look side ways for a disposal than look up, and when they do we have no forwards.
i am sick of seeing our players streaming out of the back line with no forwards.
our forwards push up far to far, we are really unacountable for an oppanont and our forward press starts outside the 50.
the players must be playing to his instructions as i dont see any of them being disciplined by being dropped .
just puting it out there...

 

[Bazzas Lovechild]

Re: is eade been there too long?

guys just got back from the game , saw an indoor team play an outdoor team, when it was wet we tried to play dry weather football, in fact we came back when theweather was improving and it didnt rain for a while.

but the question is had rodney been there to long , he hasnt beaten a guine top 4 teams on 10 attempts, he went into this came with a bad game plan.
the players would rather look side ways for a disposal than look up, and when they do we have no forwards.
i am sick of seeing our players streaming out of the back line with no forwards.
our forwards push up far to far, we are really unacountable for an oppanont and our forward press starts outside the 50.
the players must be playing to his instructions as i dont see any of them being disciplined by being dropped .
just puting it out there...

In answer to your question. Yes.

Good news is he'll get dumped at the end of the year. Bad news.....Prepare for some woeful performances from here until round 22.

 

[Biscuits]

Re: is eade been there too long?

Yep- I second that.
Makes me laugh that Smorgon set the bar at a Grand Final appearance.
We're unlikely to make the top 8 on what I've seen thus far in 2011. Laughable.

 

[doggies ftw]

Re: is eade been there too long?

Yes, he built the side, we need someone to finish it!

 

[Bad Santa]

Re: is eade been there too long?

is eade been there too long?...

is the pope a catholic?

 

[Brownlow for Westy]

Re: is eade been there too long?

In answer to your question. Yes.

Good news is he'll get dumped at the end of the year. Bad news.....Prepare for some woeful performances from here until round 22.

We should get rid of him no later than half way of the current season, I would love to see someone who can try all young kids, gets rid of the duds and then concentrates on teaching the kids a game plan that can win big games and finals.

There is no point in keeping Eade for any longer than necessary, in my opinion he should have gone at the end of the 2009 season, since then we have continually gone backwards.

Please Smorgon make the hard decision and send the whole training team packing, i would prefer to have people that can show our youngsters to play hard and accountable footy and not the crap they are playing at the moment. The current coaching staff have shown they are not good enough and we will not go any further than this.

It is disgraceful that after six plus years Eade has our team playing without direction or style. He has been given enough time and continues to fail.

 

[fred cook]

Re: is eade been there too long?

We should get rid of him no later than half way of the current season, QUOTE]

Replace him with you

Roos dosent want to coach
Malthouse wont come to us
Please not Leon Cameron
Ross Lyon

Gary O'Donnell Assistant - Brisbane Lions - Assistant Coach (1999-2004)
Essendon - Assistant Coach (2005-2010)
Brisbane Lions - Assistant Coach (2011)


Any other ideas ???

 

[PupDog]

Re: is eade been there too long?

Time to fire a Rocket!
Get it? Lol!

Seriously walk now Rocket dont waste anymore of our time!

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Re: is eade been there too long?

We should get rid of him no later than half way of the current season, QUOTE]

Replace him with you

Roos dosent want to coach
Malthouse wont come to us
Please not Leon Cameron
Ross Lyon

Any other ideas ???

Exactly, don't want to jump from the frying pan into the fire.

I thought we played well for three quarters, but the momentum shifted when they got those very soft umpiring decisions in their favour, and got a couple of goals, then they got a sniff. Doesn't matter we will learn from this. Gia and Higgins might have been a big different today, still in saying that Jolly might have been a big difference for them as well.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Re: is eade been there too long?

You're neveer going to know what's going on at the club but I think we're a club that had a significant loss in experience and is currently underdone. we've lost Akers, Johno, Eagle, Welsh and effectively Hahn and we are currently missing Barry, Gia, Shaggy and Hudson. Baz and Huddo are starting to look past it.

Eade could have pinched us a flag and it was just bad luck that a genuine gun key forward became available the year after our best chance. If you gave Malthouse our current list he would not do any better. It took him a decade to get a flag at Collingwood despite the resources he had at his disposal.

He has made some odd decisions at times (particularly the Callan one in finals two years running and one ruckman in round one this year) but he has taken us bloody close to pinching one and, despite what some say he has done well developing youth. People forget that our much lauded '99 crop were a pack of underachievers before Eade showed up and he has brought Higgins, Cooney, Griffen, Williams, Ward etc through successfully.

I've said it before - if top four becomes unattainable then extend Eade's contract and tell him to focus on the future. Make sure that if someone is to take over (if Eade fails in the following year or two) at least they'll take over a healthy and well developed list. I get sick of hearing how keeping a bloke who could (despite the emotional rhetoric so many trot out) have pinched us a flag after 50 years with minimal success.

In any event, it's tricky knocking off the premier at a ground that they play better than anyone when they are missing one ruck man and we are missing four or five of our best 22 and are playing five blokes who hadn't played a game before last year.

 

[PupDog]

Re: is eade been there too long?

We should get rid of him no later than half way of the current season, QUOTE]

Replace him with you

Roos dosent want to coach
Malthouse wont come to us
Please not Leon Cameron
Ross Lyon

Any other ideas ???

Kermit the frog he would be better than muppet we have at the moment!

 

[_Mike_]

Re: is eade been there too long?

Yes/No/Maybe

Hard to say. Looking at previous coaches - it took Bomber Thompson 7 seasons with the Cats. Eade has been here now since 2005.

Changing coach now isnt the answer and will further derail and effort to get the season back on track. The club lacks accountability at the moment, and I think Eade needs to be told by Smorgon now - shape up or ship out.

Our problem will be finding a suitable, experienced replacement. Looking at who's available

Of the experienced & established coaches

- Roos - doesnt want to coach
- Ross Lyon - still contracted, wont go from St.Kilda just yet
- Malthouse - would he really want to come back

Darkhorses
- Matthews. Took Brisbane to triple premierships. Hard coach. But would he want to coach the dogs?
- Chocco Williams - nah
- Laidley - nah

In any case, letting Eade go is not something that should happen now.

 

[BWFC]

Re: is eade been there too long?

This thread is stupid. I haven't been Eade's biggest fan over the years but time and time again he has got this team very close. He ha sthe runs on the board. Our list is rejuvinating, we have some really good young talent coming through. He's managed the list exceptionally well.

If coaches are going to get sacked for losing to collingwood then there's going to be a lot of coaching vacancies this year.

Round one we were ordinary, but the bombers were up and flying. Round one is always full of weird results. We did what we needed to do against weak opposition. Against Freemantle we were very good and probably a bit stiff not to win. Freeo are a top 4 team or at very least pushing top 4 and they're hard to beat over there. So really not the worst result. Today we were good for 3qtrs against a team people are saying will go undefeated. We have some quality players out injured and thres some guys who clearly need to get their fitness up to scratch for various reasons. Plus todays conditions were awful. Its not time to panic. We need to stick together and build our season.

 

[wian]

Re: is eade been there too long?

Yes, he built the side, we need someone to finish it!

i know you cant get them all right, and hindsight is a wonderful thing, but we would have been a lot closer if we hadn't have screwed up so many draft pics

lets take a look


2001 - we stuffed up on Sam power, Kieran Mcguiness, Brent colbert
Missed out on nick del santo, steve johnson, jarrad waite,

2002 - stuffed up on tim walsh, cameron faulkner, scott bassett, cameron wight

could have had mackie, jarrod mcvaigh, hamish mackintosh, jared rivers

2003 - we stuff up on farren ray, isac thompson,

could have had sam fisher - admittedly, this year was a thin draft

2004 - we pick jesse wells, damian mcormack, tiller,

could have had mark lecras, lance franklin ( admittedly happy with griffen but would have almost won a flag with franklin the year the hawks won ) ,nathan van berlo

2005 - picked up travis baird , brett montgomery

could have had sam lonegran, matthew stokes, andrew swallow

2006 - picked andrejis everett, brennan stack, josh hill, malcolm lynch, paul oshea

Could have had jack reivwoldt, kurt tippett, justin westhoff, aaron edwards

( what a monumental STUFF UP 2006 was for us ! )

2007 - we pick jarred grant, guy okeiffe,

could have had cyrol rioli, patrick dangerfield,

2009 - we pick christian howard, jason tutt, shane thorne,

could have had - fyfe, aaron joseph, robyn nahas

the jury is out - get yr drafting right, have a good chance at a flag - stuff it up, and yr back in the pack

we need to invest good money to get blokes that are experts at drafting players - this is crucial IMO

 

[SCRAY72]

Re: is eade been there too long?

Yes he has.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Re: is eade been there too long?

i know you cant get them all right, and hindsight is a wonderful thing, but we would have been a lot closer if we hadn't have screwed up so many draft pics

lets take a look


2001 - we stuffed up on Sam power, Kieran Mcguiness, Brent colbert
Missed out on nick del santo, steve johnson, jarrad waite,

2002 - stuffed up on tim walsh, cameron faulkner, scott bassett, cameron wight

could have had mackie, jarrod mcvaigh, hamish mackintosh, jared rivers

2003 - we stuff up on farren ray, isac thompson,

could have had sam fisher - admittedly, this year was a thin draft

2004 - we pick jesse wells, damian mcormack, tiller,

could have had mark lecras, lance franklin ( admittedly happy with griffen but would have almost won a flag with franklin the year the hawks won ) ,nathan van berlo

2005 - picked up travis baird , brett montgomery

could have had sam lonegran, matthew stokes, andrew swallow

2006 - picked andrejis everett, brennan stack, josh hill, malcolm lynch, paul oshea

Could have had jack reivwoldt, kurt tippett, justin westhoff, aaron edwards

( what a monumental STUFF UP 2006 was for us ! )

2007 - we pick jarred grant, guy okeiffe,

could have had cyrol rioli, patrick dangerfield,

2009 - we pick christian howard, jason tutt, shane thorne,

could have had - fyfe, aaron joseph, robyn nahas

the jury is out - get yr drafting right, have a good chance at a flag - stuff it up, and yr back in the pack

we need to invest good money to get blokes that are experts at drafting players - this is crucial IMO

Agree some of our drafting was crap but it's the first round stuff ups that really count. We have picked up some great rookie list players and used some later picks well. It's hard to cry over the late picks of other sides - if they were taken late then even the side that picked them didn't rate them at the time.

McMahon, Power and Walsh were the worst. If we had nabbed a decent key forward with one of these picks we may ave pinched the flag in '09.

 

[gimp!]

Re: is eade been there too long?

Yes he has.

Seriously though, what would you have expected today? Even Roos said he coached well today.

 

[undercoverlover]

Re: is eade been there too long?

This thread is stupid. I haven't been Eade's biggest fan over the years but time and time again he has got this team very close. He ha sthe runs on the board. Our list is rejuvinating, we have some really good young talent coming through. He's managed the list exceptionally well.

If coaches are going to get sacked for losing to collingwood then there's going to be a lot of coaching vacancies this year.

this thread is not based on one game, under eade we have had the same game plane thats taken us to three prelims , but thats the problem other clubs develop new game plans, i have heard eade say the game plans good just poor descion making, but we still go to the same players who have that poor decision making.
the game plan has been proven not to get us to a grand final, sorry close was once good, but if i am right this game is still about premerships, and we have one.
this is the most sucsessfully period in the club history apart from 54. so a flag should be expect.

 

[wian]

Re: is eade been there too long?

Agree some of our drafting was crap but it's the first round stuff ups that really count. We have picked up some great rookie list players and used some later picks well. It's hard to cry over the late picks of other sides - if they were taken late then even the side that picked them didn't rate them at the time.

McMahon, Power and Walsh were the worst. If we had nabbed a decent key forward with one of these picks we may ave pinched the flag in '09.

agree with yr comments, i know we have done well too with some picks, especially with the likes of morris and boyd etc, but its critical for us in the future to get better with our pics ( They are like gold ) - getting the pics right is the key to challenging for the flag, and as i said above, we have stuffed up too many if you ask me, and we need to put more resources into getting a few more high quality scouts that know what they are doing

 

[spidermanbatman]

Re: is eade been there too long?

i know you cant get them all right, and hindsight is a wonderful thing, but we would have been a lot closer if we hadn't have screwed up so many draft pics

lets take a look


2001 - we stuffed up on Sam power, Kieran Mcguiness, Brent colbert
Missed out on nick del santo, steve johnson, jarrad waite,

2002 - stuffed up on tim walsh, cameron faulkner, scott bassett, cameron wight

could have had mackie, jarrod mcvaigh, hamish mackintosh, jared rivers

2003 - we stuff up on farren ray, isac thompson,

could have had sam fisher - admittedly, this year was a thin draft

2004 - we pick jesse wells, damian mcormack, tiller,

could have had mark lecras, lance franklin ( admittedly happy with griffen but would have almost won a flag with franklin the year the hawks won ) ,nathan van berlo

2005 - picked up travis baird , brett montgomery

could have had sam lonegran, matthew stokes, andrew swallow

2006 - picked andrejis everett, brennan stack, josh hill, malcolm lynch, paul oshea

Could have had jack reivwoldt, kurt tippett, justin westhoff, aaron edwards

( what a monumental STUFF UP 2006 was for us ! )

2007 - we pick jarred grant, guy okeiffe,

could have had cyrol rioli, patrick dangerfield,

2009 - we pick christian howard, jason tutt, shane thorne,

could have had - fyfe, aaron joseph, robyn nahas

the jury is out - get yr drafting right, have a good chance at a flag - stuff it up, and yr back in the pack

we need to invest good money to get blokes that are experts at drafting players - this is crucial IMO

Good post
For what its worth, looking at the poor quality of players we have picked, one would think that is been a good effort for us to make top four 3 years in a row

 

[Chicago1]

Re: is eade been there too long?

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Who the heck are you? You joined before just about any other BF Doggies supporter and went away for six years, came back and have only 24 posts in 11 years? Just curious.

 

[Werewolf]

Re: is eade been there too long?

Please not Leon Cameron

Why not?

 

[Gooka]

Re: is eade been there too long?

What's with all the hate for Eade?

Tactically today - he gave us a chance. A much better chance than we've had against the Pies for a long time. Had the players had a little more composure and some cleaner hands, it would've gone down to the wire.

I don't see what Eade did wrong today - and given the number of young/inexperienced kids who were out there today, playing against the best team in the country, in the wet - you'd expect some mistakes.

How Eade reacts will be important. Do we keep persevering with the likes of Hill (who was just awful today) or cut our losses? Play some (more) youth - Howard? Vespa? Dj? Stack?

The way I see it - Eade's a victim of his own success at the moment.

Wallis
Libba
Roughead
Marko
Ward
Picken
Hill
Grant
Jones
Moles

None of those blokes have played 50 games yet. It's been fantastic list management in my opinion. We've been top 4 for 3 years - we may dip a touch this year but there's tonnes of upside in our list. We won't drop far, or for very long.

 

[SA HAWK]

Re: is eade been there too long?

I think you guys are going through a mini rebuid after losing a lot of experience.

You may need to take a step back for a year or 2 while youngsters develop before having another crack.

I think Eade has probably got the best out of what he has had available.

I would take him over Clarkson any day.

 

[crownie]

Re: is eade been there too long?

have always said we need a coach who has been there and done that. however we may have missed that boat now that Choco has gone to GWS and i think we may not have the $$$ if we want Roos or MM.

its the same old story with Eade, just seems like he doesn't want to take up risk. we kick the first 3 goals of the game then decided to go defensive and protect the lead

it just made no sense....