High Risk HIgh Reward Recruits

[go_the_dockers]

Have we learnt from Simpson, or do we continue to recruit high risk recruits at our own peril?

Balic
Simpson
Yarran
Bennell
Walters
Sylvia

For one reason or another were all high risk, high reward.

3 have failed massively, Walters is a massive success, Balic looks good at the moment and Bennell could go either way.

Are you happy continue the high risk approach, or should we look at safer recruits even if they have a low ceiling?

 

[blue shark]

Have we learnt from Simpson, or do we continue to recruit high risk recruits at our own peril?

Balic
Simpson
Yarran
Bennell
Walters
Sylvia

For one reason or another were all high risk, high reward.

3 have failed massively, Walters is a massive success, Balic looks good at the moment and Bennell could go either way.

Are you happy continue the high risk approach, or should we look at safer recruits even if they have a low ceiling?

The recruiting this year was more pragmatic, but in the past few years we have had our window open, and finished
higher up the ladder, and tried to fix holes in the list on the run.
With mixed results from the past, I would hope the club does more homework, and at least 1-2 players are still given the
chance to succeed, especially in the rookie draft.
Right now it appears we are in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons, but to balance out the argument we have had
more hits than misses, in the last five years.
Recruiting teams really need to be one of the most funded, important roles to play at a club, but it doesn't just end
at getting players drafted.

 

[jusjoshin]

Have we learnt from Simpson, or do we continue to recruit high risk recruits at our own peril?

Balic
Simpson
Yarran
Bennell
Walters
Sylvia

For one reason or another were all high risk, high reward.

3 have failed massively, Walters is a massive success, Balic looks good at the moment and Bennell could go either way.

Are you happy continue the high risk approach, or should we look at safer recruits even if they have a low ceiling?

Roll the dice. All it takes is a couple to come good.

 

[clivenator26]

Sylvia - free agent, we lose cap space and look silly but reality is it costs nothing, we also didn't gift him games.

Walters - pick in the 50's, that's where you take your risks. Even if it doesn't pay off you don't mind because not many guys picked that late give you many games - never mind becoming an AA quality player.

Yarran - see Walters, late pick and as we were in the window and a team short on goals it was worth the risk.

Bennell - worrying start but still has 150 games potentially ahead. The cost for him was well below his true value but were definitely behind with no good signs yet.

Simpson - bad move, that cost us because he was exactly what we could've used around 13-16.

Balic - we weren't picking him to play in 2016 anyway, so far so good.

 

[PurpleWizard]

Can add CMac and maybe Strnadica, BHill and Ryan to the list.

We keep rolling the dice and backing in our fitness staff and culture. I'm not against it and you've got to take risks to try and get ahead with so many teams in the comp. Only decision I was against was Sylvia and any person with half a brain knew that was a bad move, every person in living in Melbourne knew he was a last cause. Now that we've turned over our list and have less quality leaders around it's time to take less risks with questionable personality types and build a club that stands for integrity again. The club can't absorb any more ticking time bombs especially with the younger list we're building.

 

[Square Peg]

Yeah I don't think picking up speculative high risk types with a 3rd or 4th round selection is bad. Clive at #1 was an example of crazy stupid personified, but that was in a different era. The highest risk pick we've made in the last 10 years was probably Hill at #3 and that was a winner

 

[scon]

For one reason or another were all high risk, high reward.

High risk implies high cost,some of these blokes came for empty crisp packets.
More like low risk high reward.

 

[clivenator26]

Yeah I don't think picking up speculative high risk types with a 3rd or 4th round selection is bad. Clive at #1 was an example of crazy stupid personified, but that was in a different era. The highest risk pick we've made in the last 10 years was probably Hill at #3 and that was a winner

WHAT!?

 

[Latro]

Apeness was high risk medium reward.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

Without pointing the finger at our indigenous players, it feels like we've had a disproportionate amount of off field drama with them over the journey.

Struggling to think of non indigenous players who've had the same amount of drama as guys like Wiz, MJ, Yarran, Bennell etc.

 

[jusjoshin]

Apeness was high risk medium reward.

I'm seeing a massive upside potential with Apeness.

The risk was what? His knee? No nearly as much of an issue with a stay at home gorilla type forward. He can mark, he can kick, he's aggressive and he's huge. Ticks quite a few boxes for a team that was desperate for talls.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Without pointing the finger at our indigenous players, it feels like we've had a disproportionate amount of off field drama with them over the journey.

Struggling to think of non indigenous players who've had the same amount of drama as guys like Wiz, MJ, Yarran, Bennell etc.

Meanwhile the mob up the road and it's a lot of non indigenous (mind you, they haven't picked up as many as us lately)

In tens of risk v reward, most of them we gave up fairly little for. It's not like we have picked a bunch on risky prospects with our first round picks every year (although we were unlucky with Pitt and Morabito in terms of injuries and a dodgy heart - but no reports of any off field nonsense)

 

[Andy Brennan]

Have we learnt from Simpson, or do we continue to recruit high risk recruits at our own peril?

Balic
Simpson
Yarran
Bennell
Walters
Sylvia

For one reason or another were all high risk, high reward.

3 have failed massively, Walters is a massive success, Balic looks good at the moment and Bennell could go either way.

Are you happy continue the high risk approach, or should we look at safer recruits even if they have a low ceiling?

Pft low risk is how you end up with a midfield like richmonds or west coasts. Hit on 20 and hope you draw an ace

 

[holy diver]

Without pointing the finger at our indigenous players, it feels like we've had a disproportionate amount of off field drama with them over the journey.

Struggling to think of non indigenous players who've had the same amount of drama as guys like Wiz, MJ, Yarran, Bennell etc.

Didn't some of the boys play the flute that one time and a picture was taken?

 

[Purple Suit]

Pft low risk is how you end up with a midfield like richmonds or west coasts. Hit on 20 and hope you draw an ace

Pick 20 = Guranteed Ace

 

[freo_leo29]

Balic
Simpson
Yarran
Bennell
Walters
Sylvia

Balic = top 10 pick slid to mid 30s - so very little risk there
Simpson = top 15 pick anyway so not sure why he was "high risk"
Yarran = Fair enough call although he was pick 61
Bennell = The risk with his calves was unknown before the fact as he must have passed a medical - absolutely nothing has come of his other "risk" (being the unlucky one to get his pictures on the newspapers, if anyone thinks he was the only player snorting lines in the AFL then you are clueless) So I wouldn't even call this high risk (also remember Jake Carlisle? no? don't fall for media agenda)
Walters = top 30 pick slid to mids 50s - a very low risk pick? why is this high risk?
Sylvia = Fair call

 

[M_rash]

Without pointing the finger at our indigenous players, it feels like we've had a disproportionate amount of off field drama with them over the journey.

Struggling to think of non indigenous players who've had the same amount of drama as guys like Wiz, MJ, Yarran, Bennell etc.

Very proud of our indigenous players since inception. Some truly great players, some great personalities, and of course, some flops.

Here's a reminder of our past players - written in 2014: http://m.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2013-05-23/a-proud-indigenous-history-at-freo

8/30 indigenous players have played over 100 AFL games - that's probably a disproportionately high stat too. Guess you gotta take the bad with the good. Aboriginals are more likely to have societal issues - so you would expect that to be reflected in the player stats (off-field issues).

Hope we continue to be a leader in the AFL for aboriginal player development. Sandi didn't sound too upset about the recent allegations. Not impacting on club culture in a negative way.

 

[ydraw]

If you're giving up pick 50 or lower or nothing at all that's the opposite of "high risk". You're literally risking nothing, it's a free hit. I'd put Walters, Yarran and Sylvia into that category. So far 1 massive success, 1 massive failure, and who knows what will happen with Yarran. But either way none of those players cost us anything meaningful, so no reason not to take a punt.

 

[Schauermann]

I'd say: Most picks with youngs are a risk/gamble anyway.

Older players or trades look more easy to rate beforehand, but in the end who knows. Recruiting mediocore players turns out a masterstroke at times while some good players fail at a new team...

 

[Alfonz]

The only one who was truly a risk was Simpson. And even then there weren't many alternatives in a putrid draft, apart from maybe a solid B-grade ruck who would have almost certainly left as soon as he could.

Maybe guys like Bennell and McCarthy to a lesser extent, but their issues have been factored into the cost and you'd be mad not to do those trades. And they could still deliver the goods.

How many "safer" players don't deliver? A lot. Where are Masten, Sheed and Duggan going to take WC? They've pulled the trigger on the riskier Venables because it is worth it.

If anything, I think our club is quite risk averse considering our conservative team selection and gameplan, and refusal to pay exorbitant salaries/picks to get deals like Mitch Clark over the line.

 

[DockerLand1]

Apeness was high risk medium reward.

Hoping to see big improvements from him this year Latro.

Simpson for me was the one that hurt the most.

Balic came on very well last year and I expect him to break into the 22 if Bennell still can't get fit.


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[Harry Reems]

Well at least we weren't tempted to try and lure Wellingham, Jetta and Redden to the club, and Yeo (Fyfe 2.0) was a one season wonder. But the media went hard on us for not trying to get these players.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

The only one who was truly a risk was Simpson. And even then there weren't many alternatives in a putrid draft, apart from maybe a solid B-grade ruck who would have almost certainly left as soon as he could.

Maybe guys like Bennell and McCarthy to a lesser extent, but their issues have been factored into the cost and you'd be mad not to do those trades. And they could still deliver the goods.

How many "safer" players don't deliver? A lot. Where are Masten, Sheed and Duggan going to take WC? They've pulled the trigger on the riskier Venables because it is worth it.

If anything, I think our club is quite risk averse considering our conservative team selection and gameplan, and refusal to pay exorbitant salaries/picks to get deals like Mitch Clark over the line.

Please never ever use Masten in the same paragraph/sentence/speech as the other two players you mentioned. Marsden or Marsdo as we on the Eagles board refer to him, is a seagulling hack who winces at the instant he gets tackled, of which is likely holding the ball. He is in football for the salary and its side perks.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Alfonz now that I'm in a different sentence/paragraph/speech, Duggan and Sheed have really bright futures. We significantly missed Sheed last season and his lack of pre-season hurt us when he did come back. Duggan was the yougnest in his draft and come back from an MCL.

In a recruiting sense, I think you need to have a balance between selecting high risk- high reward and safer options. However the High rewarding players are the match winners and the ones that can change games. You don't need as many high risk high reward players turn good to beat a team of safe picks.

 

[Unique Name]

Alfonz now that I'm in a different sentence/paragraph/speech, Duggan and Sheed have really bright futures. We significantly missed Sheed last season and his lack of pre-season hurt us when he did come back. Duggan was the yougnest in his draft and come back from an MCL.

In a recruiting sense, I think you need to have a balance between selecting high risk- high reward and safer options. However the High rewarding players are the match winners and the ones that can change games. You don't need as many high risk high reward players turn good to beat a team of safe picks.

I think both Duggan and Sheed should be ahead of Redden for a round 1 spot. Redden finished off the year so poorly.