How crap can we get in 1999 draft

[jack_riewoldt_rulz]

Round Pick Player Recruited from Club
Priority 1 Josh Fraser Murray U18 Collingwood
Priority 2 Paul Hasleby East Fremantle Fremantle
3 Aaron Fiora Port Adelaide Magpies Richmond
4 Matthew Pavlich Woodville-West Torrens Fremantle
5 Leigh Brown Gippsland U18 Fremantle
6 Damian Cupido Eastern U18 Brisbane Lions
7 Danny Roach Tasmania U18 Collingwood
8 Joel Corey East Perth Geelong
9 Caydn Beetham Oakleigh U18 St Kilda
10 Luke McPharlin East Fremantle Hawthorn
11 Darren Glass Perth West Coast Eagles
12 Paul Koulouriotis Calder U18 Port Adelaide
13 Robert Murphy Gippsland U18 Western Bulldogs
14 Travis Gaspar South Fremantle West Coast Eagles
15 David Spriggs Prahran U18 Geelong
16 David Haynes Geelong U18 West Coast Eagles
17 Ezra Bray Calder U18 Geelong
18 (F/S) Rhyce Shaw Preston U18 Collingwood
19 Brad Green Tasmania U18 Melbourne
20 Paul Wheatley Preston U18 Melbourne
21 Scott Stevens Perth Sydney
22 Ezra Poyas Prahran U18 Richmond
23 Daniel Foster Port Adelaide Geelong
24 Jason Blake Prahran U18 St Kilda
25 Brett Johnson Swan Districts Hawthorn
26 (F/S) Stephen Doyle South Adelaide Sydney
27 Cain Ackland Port Adelaide Port Adelaide
28 Brent Guerra Bendigo U18 Port Adelaide
29 Adam Hunter Swan Districts West Coast Eagles
30 (F/S) Jonathan Brown Geelong U18 Brisbane Lions
31 Paul Chapman Calder U18 Geelong
32 Daniel Giansiracusa Western U18 Western Bulldogs
33 Tim Clarke Geelong U18 Hawthorn
34 Leon Davis Perth Collingwood
35 Patrick Wiggins Tasmania U18 Western Bulldogs
36 Rhett Biglands Woodville-West Torrens Adelaide
37 Mitch Hahn Northern Eagles Western Bulldogs
38 Cameron Ling Geelong U18 Geelong
39 Scott Homewood Eastern U18 Richmond
40 David Hille Dandenong U18 Essendon 41 Kane Munro Bendigo U18 West Coast Eagles
42 Michael J. Clark Eastern U18 Melbourne
43 Lindsay Gilbee Eastern U18 Western Bulldogs
44 (F/S) Shane Morrison Northern Eagles Brisbane Lions
45 Marcus Pickett Port Adelaide Essendon
46 Adam Butler Murray U18 Fremantle
47 Corey Enright Port Adelaide Geelong
48 Chance Bateman Perth Hawthorn
49 Ben Cunningham Claremont Fremantle
50 Matthew Whelan Woodville-West Torrens Melbourne
51 Ricky O'Loughlin Port Adelaide Adelaide
52 Andrew Mills Murray U18 Richmond
53 Clayton Lassock West Perth Kangaroos
54 Murray Pitts St Kilda Reserves St Kilda
55 Tim Hazell Southern Districts Hawthorn
56 Ryan O'Keefe Calder U18 Sydney
57 Steven Brosnan Port Adelaide Port Adelaide
58 Patrick Bowden Rovers Western Bulldogs
59 John Barnes Geelong Essendon
60 Richard Kelly Perth Carlton
61 Mark Ainley Prahran U18 Kangaroos
62 Ben Johnson Preston U18 Collingwood
63 Shannon O'Brien Gippsland U18 Melbourne
64 Cameron Bruce Melbourne Reserves Melbourne
65 Justin Cicolella Woodville-West Torrens Adelaide
66 Ryan Hargrave Perth Western Bulldogs
67 Robert Shirley Woodville-West Torrens Adelaide
68 Tony Delaney Fremantle St Kilda
69 Bill Nicholls Geelong U18 Hawthorn
70 Brett Allison Kangaroos Sydney
71 Not utilised - Port Adelaide
72 Robert Forster-Knight Murray U18 Essendon
73 Ryan Houlihan Murray U18 Carlton
74 Matthew Burton Fremantle Kangaroos
75 Dale Baynes East Fremantle Collingwood
76 Not utilised - Fremantle
77 Lindsay Smith Glenelg Kangaroos
78 Ty Zantuck Western U18 Richmond
79 Balraj Singh West Adelaide Adelaide
80 Jeremy Dukes Prahran U18 Carlton
81 Troy Makepeace Kangaroos Reserves Kangaroos
82 Nick Stone Prahran U18 Collingwood
83 Matthew Shir Murray U18 Adelaide
84 Not utilised - Richmond
85 Not utilised - Hawthorn
86 Trent Hotton East Burwood Carlton
87 Christian Woodley Subiaco Kangaroos
88 Michael W. Clark Fremantle Collingwood
89 Not utilised - Adelaide
90 Andrew Merrington St Bernards Carlton
91 Not utilised - Adelaide
92 Adam Mathews Murray U18 Carlton
93 Joe Allen Gippsland U18 Carlton


we wasted ou 1999 draft we could of got.......... the list go's on

 

[tugga]

At least Fiora played played some footy for us and is still playing and has actually been OK for the Saints so far this year.
There were more 'wasted' picks than Fiora in that draft.
Try Cupido at No 6, Roach at No 7 and Beetham at No 9.
Cupido was soft and didn't want to work hard, Roach never played a senior game and Beetham walked away from footy altogether.

 

[CharlieG]

Round Pick Player Recruited from Club
Priority 1 Josh Fraser Murray U18 Collingwood
Priority 2 Paul Hasleby East Fremantle Fremantle
3 Aaron Fiora Port Adelaide Magpies Richmond
4 Matthew Pavlich Woodville-West Torrens Fremantle
5 Leigh Brown Gippsland U18 Fremantle
6 Damian Cupido Eastern U18 Brisbane Lions
7 Danny Roach Tasmania U18 Collingwood
8 Joel Corey East Perth Geelong
9 Caydn Beetham Oakleigh U18 St Kilda
10 Luke McPharlin East Fremantle Hawthorn
11 Darren Glass Perth West Coast Eagles
12 Paul Koulouriotis Calder U18 Port Adelaide
13 Robert Murphy Gippsland U18 Western Bulldogs
14 Travis Gaspar South Fremantle West Coast Eagles
15 David Spriggs Prahran U18 Geelong
16 David Haynes Geelong U18 West Coast Eagles
17 Ezra Bray Calder U18 Geelong
18 (F/S) Rhyce Shaw Preston U18 Collingwood
19 Brad Green Tasmania U18 Melbourne
20 Paul Wheatley Preston U18 Melbourne
21 Scott Stevens Perth Sydney
22 Ezra Poyas Prahran U18 Richmond
23 Daniel Foster Port Adelaide Geelong
24 Jason Blake Prahran U18 St Kilda
25 Brett Johnson Swan Districts Hawthorn
26 (F/S) Stephen Doyle South Adelaide Sydney
27 Cain Ackland Port Adelaide Port Adelaide
28 Brent Guerra Bendigo U18 Port Adelaide
29 Adam Hunter Swan Districts West Coast Eagles
30 (F/S) Jonathan Brown Geelong U18 Brisbane Lions
31 Paul Chapman Calder U18 Geelong
32 Daniel Giansiracusa Western U18 Western Bulldogs
33 Tim Clarke Geelong U18 Hawthorn
34 Leon Davis Perth Collingwood
35 Patrick Wiggins Tasmania U18 Western Bulldogs
36 Rhett Biglands Woodville-West Torrens Adelaide
37 Mitch Hahn Northern Eagles Western Bulldogs
38 Cameron Ling Geelong U18 Geelong
39 Scott Homewood Eastern U18 Richmond
40 David Hille Dandenong U18 Essendon
41 Kane Munro Bendigo U18 West Coast Eagles
42 Michael J. Clark Eastern U18 Melbourne
43 Lindsay Gilbee Eastern U18 Western Bulldogs
44 (F/S) Shane Morrison Northern Eagles Brisbane Lions
45 Marcus Pickett Port Adelaide Essendon
46 Adam Butler Murray U18 Fremantle
47 Corey Enright Port Adelaide Geelong
48 Chance Bateman Perth Hawthorn
49 Ben Cunningham Claremont Fremantle
50 Matthew Whelan Woodville-West Torrens Melbourne
51 Ricky O'Loughlin Port Adelaide Adelaide
52 Andrew Mills Murray U18 Richmond
53 Clayton Lassock West Perth Kangaroos
54 Murray Pitts St Kilda Reserves St Kilda
55 Tim Hazell Southern Districts Hawthorn
56 Ryan O'Keefe Calder U18 Sydney
57 Steven Brosnan Port Adelaide Port Adelaide
58 Patrick Bowden Rovers Western Bulldogs
59 John Barnes Geelong Essendon
60 Richard Kelly Perth Carlton
61 Mark Ainley Prahran U18 Kangaroos
62 Ben Johnson Preston U18 Collingwood
63 Shannon O'Brien Gippsland U18 Melbourne
64 Cameron Bruce Melbourne Reserves Melbourne
65 Justin Cicolella Woodville-West Torrens Adelaide
66 Ryan Hargrave Perth Western Bulldogs
67 Robert Shirley Woodville-West Torrens Adelaide
68 Tony Delaney Fremantle St Kilda
69 Bill Nicholls Geelong U18 Hawthorn
70 Brett Allison Kangaroos Sydney
71 Not utilised - Port Adelaide
72 Robert Forster-Knight Murray U18 Essendon
73 Ryan Houlihan Murray U18 Carlton
74 Matthew Burton Fremantle Kangaroos
75 Dale Baynes East Fremantle Collingwood
76 Not utilised - Fremantle
77 Lindsay Smith Glenelg Kangaroos
78 Ty Zantuck Western U18 Richmond
79 Balraj Singh West Adelaide Adelaide
80 Jeremy Dukes Prahran U18 Carlton
81 Troy Makepeace Kangaroos Reserves Kangaroos
82 Nick Stone Prahran U18 Collingwood
83 Matthew Shir Murray U18 Adelaide
84 Not utilised - Richmond
85 Not utilised - Hawthorn
86 Trent Hotton East Burwood Carlton
87 Christian Woodley Subiaco Kangaroos
88 Michael W. Clark Fremantle Collingwood
89 Not utilised - Adelaide
90 Andrew Merrington St Bernards Carlton
91 Not utilised - Adelaide
92 Adam Mathews Murray U18 Carlton
93 Joe Allen Gippsland U18 Carlton


we wasted ou 1999 draft we could of got.......... the list go's on

38 of 87 selections are still in the AFL, now in their eighth seasons. How does that compare to other drafts?

 

[1980GFVideo]

At least Fiora played played some footy for us and is still playing and has actually been OK for the Saints so far this year.
There were more 'wasted' picks than Fiora in that draft.
Try Cupido at No 6, Roach at No 7 and Beetham at No 9.
Cupido was soft and didn't want to work hard, Roach never played a senior game and Beetham walked away from footy altogether.

Yeah but Collingwood Got Neon Leon and Ben Johnson aswell as Roach.

Brisbane might be able to console themselves over the fact they got Jonothan Brown at pick 30. Do you reckon the recruiter feels too bad about that draft??

The point is that on top of Fiora - (Did Fremantles eyes pop out of thier heads when we read out our pick) - we got Poyaz,Homewood and Mills.

and then to top it all off ......

we appointed Frawley as our coach the following year.

 

[Fishfinger]

That was a good draft for us compared to 1991.

We had 7 National Draft selections who between them played a total of zero senior games. (our first pick was 49)

We traded 3 ND selectiond for players - Todd Breman (25 games), Stevan Jackson (21) and Steven O'Dwyer (5).
Getting "Strawbs" O'Dwyer cost us pick 3.

I doubt any club in any other ND could "top" that.

 

[Weaver]

That was a good draft for us compared to 1991.

We had 7 National Draft selections who between them played a total of zero senior games. (our first pick was 49)

We traded 3 ND selectiond for players - Todd Breman (25 games), Stevan Jackson (21) and Steven O'Dwyer (5).
Getting "Strawbs" O'Dwyer cost us pick 3.

I doubt any club in any other ND could "top" that.

Plenty could. I wish people would educate themselves a little before just reading out one clubs list of picks.

In 1991 the draft age was increased from 16 to 17. That meant that clubs were going through the same talent pool as the previous year - looking at blokes who hadn't been in the top-100 last time around. It was the last year of the under-19s so all the good Vics were tied to Melbourne clubs. Adelaide was coming in and so had the good SA kids locked-up.

Hence we traded away our picks. Hence we paid high-prices in picks (they were worthless anyway). It was an attempt to salvage something from a nightmare.

Other than Shane Crawford do you feel like listing all the players we missed and should have picked up?

 

[Fishfinger]

Plenty could. I wish people would educate themselves a little before just reading out one clubs list of picks.

Really?

Why don't you list them then? I'd be interested and amazed to see a less successful national draft.

 

[Weaver]

Really?

Why don't you list them then? I'd be interested and amazed to see a less successful draft.

Just look at 1991 then - this time have a look at the other clubs as well.

Collingwood
Kane Purcell - 0
Todd Curley - 3
Bruce Italiano - 0
Greg Turner - 0
Jon Lister - 0
Brendan Burrows - 0

Even the teams that did games out of their picks hardly mattered

Melbourne
Darren Kowal - 105
Jason Norrish - 20
Andrew Lamprill - 36
Phil Gilbert - 25
Matthew McKay - 0
Hayden Kilmartin - 0
Micah Berry - 0
Jason Dullard - 0
Nick White - 0
Michael Pickering (trade) - 0

If that is 'success' then let-em.

All the drafts before 92 should be ignored. Until the under-19s and Vic Metro zoning, and the end of the WA and SA morotoriums.

The draft was not the primary mechanism for getting players back then. You were as likely to get guys from the under-19s.

 

[Fishfinger]

As uneducated as I am, even I can see both those examples were more successful than ours.

I know Richmond were the best side in 1972. No matter what I saw with my own eyes, it's in the historical facts and figures that Carlton were. Circumstances are irrelevant.

I doubt any other club in any ND could top the first 7 picks not playing a single game. That's educated, uneducated, arrogant, ignorant or otherwise.

 

[skybeau]

errrr...it's 1991...who cares?

 

[Weaver]

As uneducated as I am, even I can see both those examples were more successful than ours.

I know Richmond were the best side in 1972. No matter what I saw with my own eyes, it's in the historical facts and figures that Carlton were. Circumstances are irrelevant.

I doubt any other club in any ND could top the first 7 picks not playing a single game. That's educated, uneducated, arrogant, ignorant or otherwise.

Geelong 1986-1991

Michael Taylor - 0
Mark O'Keefe - 0
Glen Keast - 0
Tim Britt - 0
Michael Billman -0

Darren Jones - 0
Shane Korth - 0
Steven Hewett - 0
Steve McQueen - 0
Pat Gribble - 0

Ray Sterrett - 20
Adrian Fletcher - 23
Darryn Cresswell - 0
David Welsby - 2
David Preston - 0
Kym Nicholls - 0
Andrew Gribble - 0

Daniel Frawley - 0
Garry Phillips - 3
Tim Birthisel - 0
Ashley Coutts - 0
Richard Harrison - 0
Shane Crothers - 0
Colum McManamon - 0

Stephen Hopper - 21
Stewart Devlin - 0
Brendan Hehir - 0
Byron Donnellan - 0
Glyn Tomlinson - 0
Chris Barzen - 0
Denis Ryan - 0
Brad Dowling - 0

Stephan O'Reilly - 36
Leigh Willison - 0
Darryl Donald - 0
Peter MacLean - 0
Cameron Burke - 0
Peter Jacks - 0

Somehow I think that a focus on pre-92 drafting is a bit of red herring. It just didn't matter. And there were plenty performing just like we were.