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[jod23]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Reckon he'd get a start in the 'slumping' Wizards non-existent front court?

And I'd reckon your right!

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by jod23
And I'd reckon your right!

You watch their game against the Suns yesterday?

The Suns are a god awful rebounding team, with no centre, yet they still held the Wizards to only 10 'in the paint' points in the first 3 quarters.

I tell you what, if Kwame Brown can't cement a spot in that rotation, then he's going to struggle at this level.
I know he's only young, but really, he has been a massive disappointment to date.

Jordan must be feeling it hard. Fancy taking Kwame ahead of guys like Chandler and Gasol (who are a similar age), not to mention guys like Eddy Curry and J-Rich.

Ouch.

 

[tige19]

It seems all of i think 2001-2002s top draft picks arent doing overly well, i mean Gasol is going guns and Jrich numbers can be very solid but what about the rest???

WhatS Battier done??? he has the nucleas to be a freak, the kid can score, jump and play D the guy has perfect height and weight for the 2 and 3 possies.

Also i wanna know some info on Bostons Pick Kedrick Brown whats he doing??? he had huge raps.

cheers

 

[Portmanteau]

Kwame Brown is playing like Ben Wallace without defense. Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry are superstuds. Chicago will be an Eastern Conference dynasty in the coming years. Richard Jefferson, Troy Murphy, Jamaal Tinsley, Tony Parker - all having good years and will probably all increase their numbers in 2003-04.

Anyway, it's not as if the 2001 draft was a bad lot. Look at 2000 first.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by tige19

WhatS Battier done??? he has the nucleas to be a freak, the kid can score, jump and play D the guy has perfect height and weight for the 2 and 3 possies.

Shane Battier is the last player i'd say has the "nucleas (sic) to be a freak".

He's as solid as they come, but actually lacks that special ability to take his game to the next level.

He is good in ALL areas, but great in none.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Guey_34
Kwame Brown is playing like Ben Wallace without defense.

The line of the year.

 

[Portmanteau]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
He is good in ALL areas, but great in none.

The prototypical Blue Devil?

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Guey_34
The prototypical Blue Devil?

Indeed.

Guys like Christian Laettner, Danny Ferry, Elton Brand, Corey Maggette and to a lesser extent Jay Williams are all, like Battier, extremely well rounded, yet not outstanding.

The only real exception is Grant Hill.

 

[Dingster]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Indeed.

Guys like Christian Laettner, Danny Ferry, Elton Brand, Corey Maggette and to a lesser extent Jay Williams are all, like Battier, extremely well rounded, yet not outstanding.

The only real exception is Grant Hill.

Brand is probably somewhere between those categories. You`re just downgrading him because of his current injury status.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Dingster
Brand is probably somewhere between those categories. You`re just downgrading him because of his current injury status.

You've got me worked out.

Weak as piss Elton, really

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Shane Battier is the last player i'd say has the "nucleas (sic) to be a freak".

He's as solid as they come, but actually lacks that special ability to take his game to the next level.

He is good in ALL areas, but great in none.

I agree. I liken Battier to Doug Christie, a very good role player who can do a bit of everything but could never take his game to the next level to be a superstar.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Indeed.

Guys like Christian Laettner, Danny Ferry, Elton Brand, Corey Maggette and to a lesser extent Jay Williams are all, like Battier, extremely well rounded, yet not outstanding.

The only real exception is Grant Hill.

Grant Hill was a freak!

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
You watch their game against the Suns yesterday?

The Suns are a god awful rebounding team, with no centre, yet they still held the Wizards to only 10 'in the paint' points in the first 3 quarters.

I know...it was bad. I saw guys like Hughes getting blocked by Langhi for god sake! Haywood and Brown should dominate in games like that but neither asserted themselves. We really missed Oakley in that game. He would have pulled down some boards, given us a physical presense underneath and certainly played some tougher D.

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
I tell you what, if Kwame Brown can't cement a spot in that rotation, then he's going to struggle at this level.
I know he's only young, but really, he has been a massive disappointment to date.

Jordan must be feeling it hard. Fancy taking Kwame ahead of guys like Chandler and Gasol (who are a similar age), not to mention guys like Eddy Curry and J-Rich.

Ouch.

You are the one who is always saying you have to wait to really find out who won a trade or a draft pick etc.... still too early to be calling Brown a failure. It took Jermaine O'Neal 5 years to find his game but look at him now. Took T-Mac 3 years, Kobe and Garnett a couple of years. Brown will come good and when he does he will IMO be a better player than all those guys you mentioned.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by jod23
Haywood and Brown should dominate in games like that

I dunno about that, Amare is a class above both, ALREADY.

Amare is showing Kwame Brown what intensity and desire is all about.

Originally posted by jod23

still too early to be calling Brown a failure.

Who called him a failure?

Originally posted by jod23

Brown will come good and when he does he will IMO be a better player than all those guys you mentioned.

On what basis do you base that opinion on?

I've yet to see anything in his game that suggests he will even come close to being as good as guys like Chandler and Gasol.

As for the time it takes, sure, but you see guys who were expected to take longer (Curry and to a lesser extent Gasol) to develop, have already gone past him and are actually playing really good ball.

Maybe if Kwame did less whinging he might actually get out of the MJ doghouse.

 

[tige19]

Still noone has answered me about Kedrick Brown from Boston he seems to have gone walkabouts, i was a real fan of him when Boston took hoim i think at 11 but his disaapointed to whats wrong with these guys who have the clear ability to take the step to NBA and go to **** lol both Browns dominted college ball.

Kedrick Brown is barely getting time and has carrer avg of 2.5 points a game were talkin about a number 11 pick in his 3rd season of ball.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by tige19
both Browns dominted college ball.

Kwame averaged 0.0 PPG in college.

 

[Squeak]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Kwame averaged 0.0 PPG in college.

Ya can't divide something by zero.

He averaged 0. E in college.

 

[tige19]

Yeah my Fault sorry Maybe not having the college experience has hampered him?? he might have needed to get that maturity from CBB actually it is quite evident he did need that maturity.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by tige19
Yeah my Fault sorry Maybe not having the college experience has hampered him?? he might have needed to get that maturity from CBB actually it is quite evident he did need that maturity.

Very true.

Despite what jod will say, he is the most immature kid in the league.

He seriously needs to spend some time with Amare to realise how things should be done, both on and off the court.

I predict that he'll get traded before next season starts. Jordan will only put up with his shit for so long.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Squeak
Ya can't divide something by zero.

He averaged 0. E in college.

Creative licence.

 

[Carmelo Anthony]

Jod I know your a big Wizards fan, but saying Kwame is going to be the best out of the lot from the 2001 class is just flat out biased. The only thing than Kwame is ever going to be ebtter than the rest is the salary from his rookie contract.

Kwame seriously has no clue how to play basketball, he is still playing like a rookie, while Gasol adjusted well early and the towers from Chicago are getting better and better every game, Kwame is declining.. he is playing as pitifully as he did in his rookie season. He doesnt have no basketball instincts at this stage, and at the moment is looking like a huge let down. 1 thing that has ruined him is playing on the same team as Michael Jordan, and being the #1 pick drafted by Jordan. Too much expectation on him, mentally he is shot to pieces, and only 1 thing will help him... Jordan retiring. Jordan has had several goes at him in the media.. saying something the lines of

"Its pretty sad when a 40 year old has more desire than a 20 year old"

That lies the problem, Kwame from what ive seen doesnt have the desire to become a superstar.

Pau Gasol is miles.. absolutely miles ahead of Kwame. Hes like an 18/10 guy in the WEST!.. in his Sophomore season!. He uses his size sooo well... he can be very dominant with a bigger frame. Tyson Chandler is a defensive beast and his offensive is coming around. He can one day bring down 12-13 rebs a game along with 17-19 pts and 2-3 blocks, hes that special. Eddy Curry though is the best player from this draft for sure. 300 pound centers with big time scoring ability dont come around all that often. Hes rebounding and D are relatively poor at the moment but improving heaps.. hes going to put Shaq type scoring numebrs, mark my words Currys gonna average bout 17 ppg next year. Hes a beast!

The Portland/J O'neal comparison is pretty poor, Jermaine was playing behind quality in Sabonis, Rasheed Wallace.. Kwame lost all his playing time to that scrub Laettner, and one of the worst players in the NBA at the moment, Charles Oakley. The other scrubs on the line up.. undersized rejects like Etan Thomas and Jahidi White are also getting some of Kwame's minutes. Kwame was expected to have a season like Amare is having this season, instead he has been a "MASSIVE" dissapointment.

Kwame needs a new home, hes either going to be traded, or run away from DC when his contract is up.

 

[Carmelo Anthony]

Originally posted by tige19
Still noone has answered me about Kedrick Brown from Boston he seems to have gone walkabouts, i was a real fan of him when Boston took hoim i think at 11 but his disaapointed to whats wrong with these guys who have the clear ability to take the step to NBA and go to **** lol both Browns dominted college ball.

Kedrick Brown is barely getting time and has carrer avg of 2.5 points a game were talkin about a number 11 pick in his 3rd season of ball.

Last time I heard bout this kid (maybe 2-3 months ago) he is progressing very nicely. Naturally with a JUCO baller he is lacking experience and some fundamentals, but he is coming along way and will be a real good baler.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky

On what basis do you base that opinion on?

I've yet to see anything in his game that suggests he will even come close to being as good as guys like Chandler and Gasol.

As for the time it takes, sure, but you see guys who were expected to take longer (Curry and to a lesser extent Gasol) to develop, have already gone past him and are actually playing really good ball.

Maybe if Kwame did less whinging he might actually get out of the MJ doghouse.

I base it on the few things I have seen Kwame do that blows me away. He has done numerous things in games this season that makes you realise that he has fantastic abilty. He has so much raw talent that he just doesnt seem to harness which is why he is in MJ's doghouse, and so he should be. He has no work ethic.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Very true.

Despite what jod will say, he is the most immature kid in the league.

He seriously needs to spend some time with Amare to realise how things should be done, both on and off the court.

I predict that he'll get traded before next season starts. Jordan will only put up with his shit for so long.

Why put words in my mouth. I completely agree with you that he is the most immature kid in the league. He should have gone to college to fine tune those skills and actually establish a work ethic but he didnt and now struggles to find his game, must be even harder for him being under the watchful eye of MJ also, who actually picked him, so Jordan will be overly hard on him.

IMO Jordan wont trade him. He has way too much talent to trade, plus his trade value isnt that high. I think the Wizards can see what kind of player he can be and they certainly dont want to see him find some dedication at another club and become a superstar.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
Jod I know your a big Wizards fan, but saying Kwame is going to be the best out of the lot from the 2001 class is just flat out biased. The only thing than Kwame is ever going to be ebtter than the rest is the salary from his rookie contract.

Brown has more raw talent than any of those players, he just seems disinterested with playing.

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
Kwame seriously has no clue how to play basketball, he is still playing like a rookie, while Gasol adjusted well early and the towers from Chicago are getting better and better every game, Kwame is declining.. he is playing as pitifully as he did in his rookie season. He doesnt have no basketball instincts at this stage, and at the moment is looking like a huge let down. 1 thing that has ruined him is playing on the same team as Michael Jordan, and being the #1 pick drafted by Jordan. Too much expectation on him, mentally he is shot to pieces, and only 1 thing will help him... Jordan retiring. Jordan has had several goes at him in the media.. saying something the lines of

"Its pretty sad when a 40 year old has more desire than a 20 year old".

I agree. He is under immense pressure because he has to play alongside the greatest their ever was, who also happens to be the person who drafted you. He is better than he was in his rookie season, but not by much. I also agree that the best thing that can happen to Kwame is for Jordan to retire which will happen at the end of the season.

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
That lies the problem, Kwame from what ive seen doesnt have the desire to become a superstar.

I agree again. Brown doesnt have the work ethic or desire to become anything better than a bench warmer and until he decides that he wants to improve and puts it into motion he will always be on the end of a bench. But should he decide to become better...then watch out. The kid has amazing talent.

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
Pau Gasol is miles.. absolutely miles ahead of Kwame. Hes like an 18/10 guy in the WEST!.. in his Sophomore season!. He uses his size sooo well... he can be very dominant with a bigger frame. Tyson Chandler is a defensive beast and his offensive is coming around. He can one day bring down 12-13 rebs a game along with 17-19 pts and 2-3 blocks, hes that special. Eddy Curry though is the best player from this draft for sure. 300 pound centers with big time scoring ability dont come around all that often. Hes rebounding and D are relatively poor at the moment but improving heaps.. hes going to put Shaq type scoring numebrs, mark my words Currys gonna average bout 17 ppg next year. Hes a beast!

No arguments here...Gasol is a great player, not an 18/10 guy like you say, more 18/8 but he IMO he is at the limits of his talent. He will always be sort of like a Juwan Howard type player. Fills the stat sheet nicely but never really becomes a superstar player. Curry and Chandler....well now Brand is looking like a distant memory! As a Bulls fan, nobody is more happy about that than me. Chandler and Curry could well dominate this league in years to come and unlike Gasol, they will certainly get better!

But again I reiterate my point. I think Kwame Brown has more raw talent than all of them, whether we ever see it or not is another question.

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
The Portland/J O'neal comparison is pretty poor, Jermaine was playing behind quality in Sabonis, Rasheed Wallace.. Kwame lost all his playing time to that scrub Laettner, and one of the worst players in the NBA at the moment, Charles Oakley. The other scrubs on the line up.. undersized rejects like Etan Thomas and Jahidi White are also getting some of Kwame's minutes. Kwame was expected to have a season like Amare is having this season, instead he has been a "MASSIVE" dissapointment.

Kwame needs a new home, hes either going to be traded, or run away from DC when his contract is up.

You dont give the Wizards players a lot of credit. No they are not superstars but Laettner isnt exactly a scrub. He is a very handy player who, granted, shouldnt be starting but is more of a 10/5 player off the bench who can consistently hit the open jumper. Unfortunately for the Wizards they rely on him being their starting PF.

Oakley isnt the worst player in the league. Can still defend, is a tough physical presense and can still grab rebounds. Etan Thomas could also become a good player, he is still young so it's unfair to call him a reject.

But I agree again that, yes he has being a massive disappointment but it isnt for lack of talent, but lack of commitment. If he had any sort of work ethic he would slot straight into the starting five ahead of Laettner, Thomas, White etc... but because he isnt putting in the effort at training, then guys with less talent but more desire are getting the minutes.

Finally...I dont think he needs a new home but some desire, commitment and a work ethic. I cant preach it enough. If you think Kwame can be traded to a new team and suddenly be a superstar then you are wrong. He will just take his bad habits to a new ball club.

Work Ethic
Commitment
Desire

Once he finds those 3 things his natural raw ability will take him into the upper echolon of players in the league. I for one, hope he finds it.