How many AAs does it take?

[Glitch]

Not to change a light bulb, but to win a GF? How many do we have?

Geelong is one of the great teams and has about 12 on it's list of current or former or realistic future. They have 6 this year and a few others close.
So that's some perspective...

Of our list I think we legit have 5 with true AA potential.
Foley - because he was so close 2 yr ago/
Riewoldt
Deledio - so close this yr.
Martin - for obvious reasons
Cotchin

But who else could come up to that level?
Rambling, jackson, etc simply are never going to get there.

Connors I doubt has that high a ceiling
Edwards would have to improve as much again
Maybe one of pur young bigs...
Guys like Taylor are to young to judge.

But as good a start as that lost is, the depth of immense talent is still missing. We probably need all those players to fulfill their potential and gather another 3-5 of that level to be serious contenders.

 

[Mr Magic]

Foley is not AA level, with respect(good player though), Geelong has had more than 12 AA. You can't take too much noticce of AA. Eg Taylor is not AA material like some others in the past but Lids is (Lids doesn't play for Colllingwood though)

It is not just about AA. Collingwood manipulate there rotations and the umpire, they go very deep though. Eg. Blair very handy no injuries etcc...

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

AA Potential for 2011

Reiwoldt
Morton
Cotchin
Martin
Foley
Jackson
Newman
Deledio
Moore

If we were to make the 8 next year I'd expect Reiwoldt , Deledio , Newman and maybe Cotchin and Martin to make it. All the others named above have the potential to make it.

Moore and Morton would have to improve out of site but have the ability to do it. Not sure about the consistancy though.

 

[Strawbs]

You need to remember that profile is everything. Once you're a consistently top team your players can then be overrated and make AA teams. Some of those Geelong blokes wouldn't have made it (ditto Collingwood this year - HARRY O'BRIEN? PLEASE!) had they played for a lower club. So I wouldn't worry too much about how many potential AA blokes we have. If Deledio played for Geelong for the last four years he'd probably have three AA gongs - if Selwood played for Richmond he wouldn't have AA next to his name. AA means ZERO.

 

[Roachy8]

Chicken or the egg... the egg or the chicken?

AA selection is not based on just the stats and numbers (nor should it be) and certainly 'the system' favours those that play in successful sides.

But success breeds success and as a group gradually improves and becomes more and more competitive, so to do the 'middle tier' of players in that team start to look like AA material due to the results that they have contributed towards.

No doubt we have probably half a dozen players on our list with "the potential" to make an AA team but until we start getting deep into September action we will only get the odd player in. (Which does however make their selection all the more meritorious)


Oh & by the way Rusty... where is Andy '11 wet beach towels' on your list?

 

[TIAGRA]

With all the colon-wood players included,the term AA could be misinterpreted as "Arrogant arseh*le"

 

[bouncing back]

With all the colon-wood players included,the term AA could be misinterpreted as "Arrogant arseh*le"

got a workmate who calls em flagpies and is talking back-to-back.

as of now i'd go with:

cotchin
deledio
jackson
martin
reiwoldt

 

[Bazzar]

It was a pathetic joke Obrien was included on the half back over Deledio. Lids averaged 10 more disposals a game and had more rebound and inside 50`s, more marks, trounced him in both DT and Supercoach scores.

 

[CoggaRules]

Can i suggest that the question, how many AAs does it take to win a flag is flawed.
Why? Because when a team wins the flag, the majority of that team is in the lime light, when it comes to the AA selectors the next year and barring any unforeseen Dawkismic implosions, are basically walk up starts into the AA team.
The real question should be, how many AAs did the cats have, the year prior to winning their first flag. It would give a better reflection on how many AAs do you need to have, to be able to entertain the thought of competing for the big one.

 

[Barnzy]

If players like Davis, Maxwell, O'Brien and C.Brown can make AA after one semi-decent season because they play in a good team, then we have a fair few potential AA's (when we're a good team).

Can i suggest that the question, how many AAs does it take to win a flag is flawed.
Why? Because when a team wins the flag, the majority of that team is in the lime light, when it comes to the AA selectors the next year and barring any unforeseen Dawkismic implosions, are basically walk up starts into the AA team.
The real question should be, how many AAs did the cats have, the year prior to winning their first flag. It would give a better reflection on how many AAs do you need to have, to be able to entertain the thought of competing for the big one.

Spot on.

 

[Glitch]

Can i suggest that the question, how many AAs does it take to win a flag is flawed.
Why? Because when a team wins the flag, the majority of that team is in the lime light, when it comes to the AA selectors the next year and barring any unforeseen Dawkismic implosions, are basically walk up starts into the AA team.
The real question should be, how many AAs did the cats have, the year prior to winning their first flag. It would give a better reflection on how many AAs do you need to have, to be able to entertain the thought of competing for the big one.

Ok Cogga, but I am really trying to get a ROUGH picture of how close we are or are not.

Also; I was interested in players that are AA or thereabouts - so top 40 squad counts for mine. Or players that could legitimatley make the AA squad in coming years.

Someone else posted about you only get AA nods due to limelight; I don't fully agree that it's all limelight; there is a reason those players are in the limelight, they make their teams and teammates better.

I am also surprised so many think Jackson is AA calibre; I think he is a good average player, full stop....interesting.

That said, Cogga, how many AA or almost AA level players did the Cats have a year or a few years before they won their first flag?

 

[Glitch]

Foley is not AA level, with respect(good player though), Geelong has had more than 12 AA. You can't take too much noticce of AA. Eg Taylor is not AA material like some others in the past but Lids is (Lids doesn't play for Colllingwood though)

It is not just about AA. Collingwood manipulate there rotations and the umpire, they go very deep though. Eg. Blair very handy no injuries etcc...

No Foley is not; but he was thereabouts a couple of years ago and I see no reason he couldn't get back to that level. Keep in mind the more good players we get the better a player like him becomes. Foley left untagged is very dangerous as he is a burst player.

Collingwood have many players I rate highly. Didak, Thomas, Pendelbery, Ball, Swan, O'Brien, Jolly (and it probably goes on) are all pretty damn good and it's the depth of good talent that makes them great. Geelong is similar, their great talent goes so deep.

I am not sure how to really ask the question more appropriately to get an accurate gauge on how far away our list really is?

 

[CoggaRules]

Ok Cogga, but I am really trying to get a ROUGH picture of how close we are or are not.

Also; I was interested in players that are AA or thereabouts - so top 40 squad counts for mine. Or players that could legitimatley make the AA squad in coming years.

Someone else posted about you only get AA nods due to limelight; I don't fully agree that it's all limelight; there is a reason those players are in the limelight, they make their teams and teammates better.

I am also surprised so many think Jackson is AA calibre; I think he is a good average player, full stop....interesting.

That said, Cogga, how many AA or almost AA level players did the Cats have a year or a few years before they won their first flag?

ok here is the deal dude.
2005 they had 0
2006 the year before they won the flag they had a big fat 0 in the 2006 AA team.
They won the flag in 2007 and had 9 in the AA team and the AA coach to boot.
In 2008 where they let the Dawks take a freebie, they had 8 AAs and the flag team had 3 and the AA coach.
2009(flag) 5 including the coach

So you can understand that it doesnt really show you in real terms, where you are at flag wise before you are there.

 

[Scodog10]

Do you guys have an inferiority complex or something? Collingwood finished on top of the ladder this year and had 4 players in the All Australian team, Geelong managed to get 6 yet no criticism of there selections.

The Tigers finished 15th, wait until you finish in the top 4 then your players will be rightfully acknowledged. Also Collingwood has had to deal with this in the past as well, you may or may not remember 2002 when Collingwood finished runner up yet had no-one in the All Australian team.

FWIW O'Brien was extremely lucky to get selected, Deledio probably deserved it more than he did.

 

[Dr Awkward]

Well it doesn't really matter, players are much more likely to make it from a better team. If someone like Corey Enright or Harry Taylor was playing for Richmond there is no way they would be All Australian. Conversely if Deledio was playing for a top 8 club he would be an absolute lock.

For players to get individual honours they rely on their teammates and everyone looks better in a better team.

West Coast in 2006 is the classic example. How many of those premiership/all australian players later on became exposed as complete passengers?

 

[TIAGRA]

Do you guys have an inferiority complex or something? Collingwood finished on top of the ladder this year and had 4 players in the All Australian team, Geelong managed to get 6 yet no criticism of there selections.

Because they deserve it.

Your representitives are arsholes bar swan.

Didak thinks his shit doesn't stink and as for Harry "bomb long to a pack on the run" obrien - LMAO

Some days he looks like a golliwog running around on crack,ffs!

As someone stated above,Deledio had a more effective season.
Maybe if he wore a pineapple wig and attempted to organise a meeting with the president of the usa, he too would feel no pressure and have won the title.

Sorry - forgot to mention how he would need somebody to hold a gun to his head to put his life into prespective.......

w a n k a

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Well if you believe simpletons like Bazzar & Mad"Jethro" Tiger...our list is just overflowing with future AA's...at least a dozen or so...

AA Potential for 2011

Reiwoldt
Morton
Cotchin
Martin
Foley
Jackson
Newman
Deledio
Moore

Some days he looks like a golliwog running around on crack,ffs!

As someone stated above,Deledio had a more effective season.
Maybe if he wore a pineapple wig and attempted to organise a meeting with the president of the usa, he too would feel no pressure and have won the title.

Sorry - forgot to mention how he would need somebody to hold a gun to his head to put his life into prespective.......

w a n k a

Welcome back oxxford.

 

[Spagman]

Maybe if he wore a pineapple wig and attempted to organise a meeting with the president of the usa, he too would feel no pressure and have won the title.

I LOL'd