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Interview with Ross Lyon on the Saints website. Notable for a few things:
- Luke Holmesby was obviously told not to ask about Luke Ball.
- Lyon actually mentions Ball as a leader of the club
- Names Armo, Steven, Geary, Raph and Eddy as the ones to step up
- This means Raph is not being delisted - there's one rumour debunked
- Names Heyne, Lynch, Cahill and Stanley as those most likely to debut
- veeeeeery coy on whether Maguire will be delisted

Ross Lyon: one on one





By Luke Holmesby 6:38 AM Tue 20 October, 2009


You came so close to being premiers. What do the Saints have to do to take that next step and win a flag?
We’re certainly not talking about premierships - that’s an easy way to get lost. We don’t look that far ahead. We’re focusing on finalising our list. It’s a matter of what comes up in order and we also want to get some more talent through the door in the national and rookie drafts. We want to improve individually and collectively, which is what we did at the end of last year. We will benchmark ourselves against the competition and then see where we sit in a lot of areas and the trend of the game. We think we’re right on that and we go back to a week at a time pursuing excellence.
Have you identified one specific area to work on?
The main thing that stands out is maintaining defence and contests and trying to find another goal a week to put you in the top two. This year in contests we were ranked No.2, defence No.1 and attack No.4. It doesn’t sound a lot but ultimately over the 22 weeks it is.
How important is Andrew Lovett’s arrival at the club?
I think every club would like some speed and goalkicking and he certainly injects some pace into the team and some goalkicking, as does (Brett) Peake. It is something we’ve been trying to identify through the draft as well but it's not easy to come across those unique talents. The proof is going to be in the actions he delivers but he has got a wonderful opportunity at a strong club with strong leaders coming off a strong performance. He’ll have to earn his spot, he won’t be gifted anything but we’ll certainly give him every opportunity.
Is he likely to be played in the midfield?
I think it’s a combination - midfield, forward, maybe a little bit back.
It was an even contribution with so many players improving this year but were there any in particular whose hard work stood out?
I’d agree, they all worked really hard. The hard workers all blend in now because there is a whole group of them. That’s the way we like it, we certainly don’t want to rely on a couple of individuals to do the work and carry the team.
You’ve spoken about the need to constantly improve, how do you feel you have improved as a coach this year?
People can judge that and I’ll let the results do the talking. Three years into the job I’ve grown in some aspects, there’s no doubt about that. I feel media interaction, working with the broadcasters and handling the pressure (are areas where I have improved). The players and myself are really united and we all believe in the game plan and our structures and our plan. It has helped us all to grow.
A lot was made about the Saints’ defensive game. Do you expect teams to use your tactics against you next year?
It’s dangerous for me to try and assume what other people are thinking. It’s hard to know until everyone rolls it out. Teams are certainly capable of improving. It was a battle all the way and there were no easy games. I think league teams have their own philosophies.
Will the Saints only make minimal delistings/draft selections?
We have to have three picks in the draft and there are a number of ways that can be constructed to happen. We’re still in the infancy of delistings. There are only a couple of official ones at the minute. Xavier Clarke has been traded to Brisbane, Max [Hudghton] has retired and Lenny [Hayes] goes up to the veterans list. We think we’ve got a healthy list and take no pleasure in delisting players. It will be minimal if we can.
What do you make of the draft pool?
I rely on the club experts to fill me in on the talent. I went up to Canberra to interview 12 or 13 (players) we thought might be around our draft pick. I’ll start to look at tapes next week, there’s no doubt there’s talent in there but you’ve just got to find it.
A lot of players came to the club in last year’s draft, do you expect many of them to step up and play senior footy next year?
To become a good AFL player you’ve got to do a strong apprenticeship, unless you’re absolutely special. The ones we’re looking to improve are David Armitage and Jack Steven as well as (Jarryn) Geary, (Robert) Eddy and Raph Clarke. They are the ones we want to have an impact similar to what (Leigh) Montagna, Clint Jones and (Andrew) McQualter had this year. They’re positioned going into their fourth year to be able to do that. I think (Nick) Heyne, (Tom) Lynch, (Paul) Cahill and (Rhys) Stanley if they can pinch a few games, it would be good. The door’s open for them.
Has Nick Riewoldt improved as a leader this year?
He led wonderfully well. No doubt. We’ve grown together. But the support of (Lenny) Hayes and the whole list, everyone who played senior footy really helped Nick. No doubt he grew.
Is Lenny Hayes the midfield general?
Lenny is really important in there and is vice-captain. It was a real unit, a bit like the defence - a team within a team. I can’t speak highly enough of Lenny but nor can I of (Steven) King, (Michael) Gardiner, (Nick) Dal Santo, Montagna, Clint Jones, (Brendon) Goddard and Luke Ball as well. It’s a very good group in there for leadership. I think Lenny would be the first to say that as well.
How important is it to have that midfield depth?
I don’t know what the precise number is but you need about 10 of quality to go through there. But with the addition of Lovett and Peake there is a bit more pressure. It’s critical because that is where the game is won and lost.
How hard is it going to be for Brett Peake to get a game?
You wouldn’t think it would be easy but we’ve identified his attributes we like. He was looking for a new opportunity. Like everyone on our list there is no guarantee for anyone to get a senior game. It’s about doing the work and delivering the actions and they pick themselves. I want to be really clear about that.
What are some of those attributes you like?
He has elite speed and endurance, a 50m kick, and is a goalkicker. He has certainly got some areas to improve on his kicking but he kicked 14.7 last year from 18 games. His body is in good shape and the most significant injury he has had was a couple of broken collarbones but other than that he is in good nick. We are confident he can pick himself but again, it is up to Brett to do the work because there are no guarantees.
Any changes to the coaching staff?
Everyone is continuing. Everyone’s still here and signed on for 2010. SOS [Steve Silvagni], Leigh Tudor, Tony Elshaug, Danny Ryan, Danny Sexton, Andy Lovell, myself, Matty Drain and Greg Hutchison. Everyone’s here and all our conditioners are here.
Does Matt Maguire have a future at AFL level?
I think everyone’s got a future if they want a future. He’s overseas and we’re still working through our list. He has certainly been a respected player at St Kilda.
 
I read it earlier - fascinating stuff. I'm not sure I completely agree with your analysis though.

- Luke Holmesby was obviously told not to ask about Luke Ball.
- Lyon actually mentions Ball as a leader of the club
- Names Armo, Steven, Geary, Raph and Eddy as the ones to step up
- This means Raph is not being delisted - there's one rumour debunked
- Names Heyne, Lynch, Cahill and Stanley as those most likely to debut
- veeeeeery coy on whether Maguire will be delisted

- Maybe Ross was asked about Ball, but just didn't want to talk about him in particular, so that wasn't included in the interview (I'm sure they don't print everything that was said).
- Ross didn't specifically mention Ball as a leader of the club. He was talking about the leadership qualities of the midfield as a unit, and he mentioned him after 8 other players. I wouldn't read too much into that.

I think quite a lot of these things can be taken either way though. Ross is like a politician in that he can say a lot without giving much away.
 
I read it earlier - fascinating stuff. I'm not sure I completely agree with your analysis though.



- Maybe Ross was asked about Ball, but just didn't want to talk about him in particular, so that wasn't included in the interview (I'm sure they don't print everything that was said).
- Ross didn't specifically mention Ball as a leader of the club. He was talking about the leadership qualities of the midfield as a unit, and he mentioned him after 8 other players. I wouldn't read too much into that.

I think quite a lot of these things can be taken either way though. Ross is like a politician in that he can say a lot without giving much away.

Correct, he names Ball as a midfielder with leadership qualities, rather than a leader of the club. Point is that he talks about Ball as a Saints player in the present tense on 19 October.
 
handling the pressure (are areas where I have improved).

The players and myself are really united and we all believe in the game plan and our structures and our plan.

We’re still in the infancy of delistings.

I’ll start to look at tapes next week, there’s no doubt there’s talent in there but you’ve just got to find it.

I think (Nick) Heyne, (Tom) Lynch, (Paul) Cahill and (Rhys) Stanley if they can pinch a few games, it would be good.

we’ve identified his (Peake) attributes we like. His body is in good shape

Everyone’s here and all our conditioners are here.

Thanks Fez - some interesting comments.

I thought he ate pressure for breakfast from day one! Maybe he is eating it for lunch and dinner too nowadays.

Interesting to see Cahill's name mentioned - means that he will remain senior listed. Seems a fair way back for mine.

Peake will clearly be given every opportunity to prove his worth.

Retained all the footy department people which is a positive.
 

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While I agree with Ross that its important to maintain the defensive pressure of the team, I really think the team in general needs to improve their kicking to a target and contested marking.
Twice when we played Essendon, I was somewhat dismayed at the way the Bombers could seemingly pinpoint a player and get the ball to him. In comparison our kicks often seem to bomb to no-one, and players seem to let the ball hit the ground rather than take a mark more often than not.
 
Correct, he names Ball as a midfielder with leadership qualities, rather than a leader of the club. Point is that he talks about Ball as a Saints player in the present tense on 19 October.

Which is exactly what he is until a decision is made otherwise, you shouldn't read too much into the reactions of the supporter base when the black and white of the situation is that upon the non trade Ball remained a listed St Kilda player so Lyon would be foolish to treat him as anything but by using past tense or anything "suggestive" of his situation. Added that further speculation would only lead tot he complete derailment of the interview into the popular subject matter of "zomg Luke Ball WTF MAN W.T.F?" it's not as poignant as one would think as it's the safe option to dissuade the course of the conversation speaking of him as a current St Kilda player instead of a man possibly out the door, pissy, Collingwood, the trade for the umpteenth time and everything associated with him since.

I suppose were lucky there were no Collingwood supporters at the interview. "So Ross, how does it feel losing Ball and being a hypocrite? Damn your articulate reply I am not listening to you lalalala hypocrite lose Ball for nuffin olololo.."
 
Which is exactly what he is until a decision is made otherwise, you shouldn't read too much into the reactions of the supporter base when the black and white of the situation is that upon the non trade Ball remained a listed St Kilda player so Lyon would be foolish to treat him as anything but by using past tense or anything "suggestive" of his situation. Added that further speculation would only lead tot he complete derailment of the interview into the popular subject matter of "zomg Luke Ball WTF MAN W.T.F?" it's not as poignant as one would think as it's the safe option to dissuade the course of the conversation speaking of him as a current St Kilda player instead of a man possibly out the door, pissy, Collingwood, the trade for the umpteenth time and everything associated with him since.

I suppose were lucky there were no Collingwood supporters at the interview. "So Ross, how does it feel losing Ball and being a hypocrite? Damn your articulate reply I am not listening to you lalalala hypocrite lose Ball for nuffin olololo.."

And not one mention of Dolph Lundgren.
 
Which is exactly what he is until a decision is made otherwise, you shouldn't read too much into the reactions of the supporter base when the black and white of the situation is that upon the non trade Ball remained a listed St Kilda player so Lyon would be foolish to treat him as anything but by using past tense or anything "suggestive" of his situation. Added that further speculation would only lead tot he complete derailment of the interview into the popular subject matter of "zomg Luke Ball WTF MAN W.T.F?" it's not as poignant as one would think as it's the safe option to dissuade the course of the conversation speaking of him as a current St Kilda player instead of a man possibly out the door, pissy, Collingwood, the trade for the umpteenth time and everything associated with him since.

I suppose were lucky there were no Collingwood supporters at the interview. "So Ross, how does it feel losing Ball and being a hypocrite? Damn your articulate reply I am not listening to you lalalala hypocrite lose Ball for nuffin olololo.."

I think that his comment confirms that the Saints don't consider Ball a lost cause yet. Personally I find that interesting because they're obviously talking to Ball's manager and - hopefully - to Ball himself. So you'd think it reflects the fact that Ball has left the door open.
 
The recent comment that Drain will attempt to hook up with Ball in NY (rather than a meeting having already been arranged) doesn't inspire confidence.
 
The recent comment that Drain will attempt to hook up with Ball in NY (rather than a meeting having already been arranged) doesn't inspire confidence.

This is WFAS New York with a request from Matthew.
Matthew is trying to contact Luke and has requested a song by the Veronica's.
 

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Can anyone enlighten me with what Matt Maguire has done to get himself out of favour with the coach?
I would like to think he was going to be given a run in Tassie before tweaking the hammy, but Lyon's comments give the impression he (Lyon) doesn't think Goose is prepared to work hard enough.
I would put a fit Matty in the side before 3 of the back six from the GF.
 
Can anyone enlighten me with what Matt Maguire has done to get himself out of favour with the coach?
I would like to think he was going to be given a run in Tassie before tweaking the hammy, but Lyon's comments give the impression he (Lyon) doesn't think Goose is prepared to work hard enough.
I would put a fit Matty in the side before 3 of the back six from the GF.

Maybe he dosn't like anyone who goes on the footy show regularly.
Watch out both Nicks.
 
I think Matty made a bit of a goose of himself at training one day, and since then Lyon's not been impressed.
 
Can anyone enlighten me with what Matt Maguire has done to get himself out of favour with the coach?
I would like to think he was going to be given a run in Tassie before tweaking the hammy, but Lyon's comments give the impression he (Lyon) doesn't think Goose is prepared to work hard enough.
I would put a fit Matty in the side before 3 of the back six from the GF.

It's said that he's never fully recovered from his horrific leg injuries, and that he has lost a bit of mobility.
 

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Lyon's comments regarding MM were basically evasive.

Not promising really, but others might disagree.
 
I was hoping that there would be a bit more from Ross along the lines of "we hope he has a big pre-season and puts some pressure on for a regular game". It was almost like he was speaking in past tense about the poor barstard.
 
Can anyone enlighten me with what Matt Maguire has done to get himself out of favour with the coach?
I would like to think he was going to be given a run in Tassie before tweaking the hammy, but Lyon's comments give the impression he (Lyon) doesn't think Goose is prepared to work hard enough.
I would put a fit Matty in the side before 3 of the back six from the GF.

maguire was going to play in the Tassie game, he hurt his hamstring at the main session and therefore could not play in that game. he was then out for 3 weeks due to the hamstring, and by then it was too late to bring him back.

by all accounts, he has lost some mobility due to the horrific leg injury he sustained 2 years ago. and from my memory parts of his foot is numb ? i think.
 

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