Judge Under Pressure

[EaglesFlyingHigh.com]

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Ken Judge will depart the West Coast Eagles at the end of this season - at least those are the signs coming out of Subiaco this week.


Barely two weeks ago, the Eagles were trotting out the familiar "Ken has another year in his contract" line - usually the first step in a sacking or departure by a coach.

We've now moved into Stage Two: "Ken Judge's position will be looked at at the end of the season, as all positions at the club are reviewed."

For his part, Judge is sticking to the "I have another year to go" line, but he must know his time is nearly up.

While Judge pleads that he needs more time to finish the job, the team has gone backwards since his arrival.

The only thing Judge defenders seem to able to do for him is point to Hawthorn and say "look how well they are doing now". Yes, they are doing well, now that he has left. And to credit Ken Judge with Hawthorn's current position makes as much sense as claiming John Todd was responsible for getting the Eagles in to the 1991 and 1992 Grand Finals.

In a remarkable coincidence, two-time Eagles Premiership captain John Worsfold, currently an assistant coach at Carlton, has declared himself in the market for a senior coaching job.

It's all part of the game that he denies having had talks with any particular club, of course, but there are three clubs in the running.

The Eagles, obviously, would welcome him home with open arms - but they aren't officially looking for a new coach yet.

Dockers fans, by some strange logic, like to claim Worsfold as one of their own, and some seem to believe his coaching Fremantle is a fait accompli. Dockers management, however, have stated their position - they want a tried and proven AFL coach. Whether they would back down on that point for Worsfold is open to question.

The third possibility is St Kilda. But with their record on treatment of coaches I find it difficult to believe that anyone with long term ambitions would take them on - anything less than a premiership in you first year and it seems you're out on your ear with your reputation in tatters. For their part, the Saints may not want to risk another Tim Watson - a big name player who promised a lot but couldn't deliver in the coaching stakes.

Coming soon: Why Judge Must Go



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[Voice of Reason]

Can anyone tell me what's Judge's real contractual position is? I've heard 4 years, 3 years and 2 years with an option for 1 or 2 more. Which is it?

 

[EaglesFlyingHigh.com]

It's three years - i.e. to the end of the 2002 season.

 

[tjrra]

As we all know sometimes its the media that makes these stories run, I think and I could be wrong but he will stay another year.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

That short ex-collingwood coach from "the game" on channel 7 said that the eagles sponsors have been pressuring the board to sack KJ. Apparently they are not happy with him at the helm.

Is there any credibility in his statements? Any news from the west?

 

[EaglesFlyingHigh.com]

I haven't heard anything about sponsor pressure (and it sounds unlikely), but I'm told he will be sacked at the end of the season.

Lose against the Saints and Dockers and he could be sacked immediately. Though I can't really see much point in doing that with three weeks to go.

Worsfold and Wallace are the targets. Eade is not in the running at this stage.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Thats some pretty good inside info.

Whats your source? Is it reliable?

 

[EaglesFlyingHigh.com]

Obviously I'm not going to name names. It comes through someone at East Perth, whose staff know a fair bit about what goes on because of the number of Eagles who play for them in the WAFL.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Tony Shaw has zero credibility, hates the Eagles and makes up stuff.

But, the Eagles are a very demanding club and their supporters have grown accustomed to success. Corporate sponsors expect to see a winning team - and taking a client to the footy in WA is not a pleasant experience at this time, unless they're/you're a Victorian on interstate transfer! Some sponsors did not renew last year and a lot have threatened not to next year because of poor performance.

This would happen with any coach, but Judge is not very good at inspiring people and comes over badly in the media. So, of course he's under threat.

The question is - will anyone do any better? The other smoking gun is Woosha - a move to the Dockers would be a PR disaster for the Eagles.

 

[iceman]

Is Worsfold the answer???

I know that a lot of people think that he'd be the person to instill passion into the team, but is he ready??

Or more to the point, do we need an inexperienced coach?

I personally think that Judge should stay but if the corporate sponsors are talking, then theres nothing we can say to keep him...

 

[Frodo]

And the super Hawks that KJ developed....................got beaten by Freo!!!!!!

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by Frodo
And the super Hawks that KJ developed....................got beaten by Freo!!!!!!

ANd the team he currently coaches to get pumped next week by freo - o the irony eh trolldo?

 

[Frodo]

You just gotta laugh at it. One win against a team with no bench and you would think that Freo were suddenly a half decent side.

Eagles to get pumped by Freo eh....you guys really do set yourselves up

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by Frodo
You just gotta laugh at it. One win against a team with no bench and you would think that Freo were suddenly a half decent side.

Eagles to get pumped by Freo eh....you guys really do set yourselves up

Yes, but that team with no bench is still 12 places above you on the ladder - refresh my memory and tell me what happened when you played them in melbourne ... I seem to remember a 100 point hiding, but of course the injuries made the difference there didnt it?

Irrespective of the results this week, you still have the worst squad, coach and future of any side in the comp, whilst injuries and retirement have hurt you unfortunately - the simple fact remains is that your drafting/recruting in last 5 years is disgraceful, and it shows out on the field.

So I look forward to pumping you - as I did before the hawks game.

Here's something for you to really laugh at trolldo:

Q: What's the difference between WCE and Polly Farmer tunnel?

A: There is light at the end of the polly famer tunnel.

 

[Frodo]

But Kupper., the real fact is that we are higher on the ladder than Freo and have already kicked your butts once this season with several of our best missing. Yes, that 'worst squad' that beat you and will finish above you this season.

Back to your pit, cellar dweller, you come to the site of double premiers and 11 time finalists without any credibility at all.

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by Frodo
But Kupper., the real fact is that we are higher on the ladder than Freo and have already kicked your butts once this season with several of our best missing. Yes, that 'worst squad' that beat you and will finish above you this season.

Back to your pit, cellar dweller, you come to the site of double premiers and 11 time finalists without any credibility at all.

Trolldo, I dont care - my personal view of my teams success or failure, unlike you and a few of your wet toast cronies, does not revolve around your team.

I am the first to admit results have gone way beyond disappointing, into a realm of ****eness I couldnt even vaguely dream of ... however I admit that.

All I ever hear from you is how you are above us on the ladder - well wow, what an achievement - do they give out trophies for finishing 15th now?

Part of all your problem is that you live in the past - it is now 8 seasons since a premiership ... and whether you want to face facts or not, regarding your squad and short term future is entriely upto you - I could care less.

In regards to the earlier clash, I seem to remeber that as we have all year, our 2 best forwards and lead ruckman was missing - and that you just squeezed home ... well done.

And yes, well played, you probably will finish 15th, but above freo,so that must be a successful and pleasing season for you?

Either way, I sure have alot more realism and credibility regarding my football side trolldo, and your imbecilic trolling through freo's site earlier this year shows what a foolish, immature and deluded dikhead you really are - and the funny thing is, you seem to base your own personal credibility on the fortunes of your football team ... you sad little man.

Please feel free to try and structure an arguement that doesnt have your justifcation that WCE are having a good year based solely on comparisions with my team - I would be interested if you even could ... and then if you did, what you may come up with ...

PS - While I am here - can I just add what a great judge of fottballing talent Jod etc are - there have been 2 games since we were dutifully told what a crab Longmuir is, in that time he has won a game from fullforward, kicked 3 the week before, and no less that Kevin Sheedy thinks he is a future brownlow meddalist - but hey, you guys know a lot more than Sheeds right?

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

All I ever hear from you is how you are above us on the ladder - well wow, what an achievement - do they give out trophies for finishing 15th now?

No, but they give out wooden ones for finishing 16th

In regards to the earlier clash, I seem to remeber that as we have all year, our 2 best forwards and lead ruckman was missing - and that you just squeezed home ... well done.

Need i mention our injury list? By round 4 we already had 2 knee reckons, Glass was out with an ankle and several others were also out injured. So don't even try and compare injuries.

And yes, well played, you probably will finish 15th, but above freo,so that must be a successful and pleasing season for you?

Same thing freo did last year, finished 13th but called it a success on accounts of the eagles finishing 14th. So don't be a hypocrit.

......and your imbecilic trolling through freo's site earlier this year shows what a foolish, immature and deluded dikhead you really are......

Same thing you are doing on our forum right now.

Please feel free to try and structure an arguement that doesnt have your justifcation that WCE are having a good year based solely on comparisions with my team - I would be interested if you even could ... and then if you did, what you may come up with ...

When has an eagles supporter called 2001 a success?

PS - While I am here - can I just add what a great judge of fottballing talent Jod etc are - there have been 2 games since we were dutifully told what a crab Longmuir is, in that time he has won a game from fullforward, kicked 3 the week before, and no less that Kevin Sheedy thinks he is a future brownlow meddalist - but hey, you guys know a lot more than Sheeds right?

Firstly, two good games don't make a player good, i'd like to see how long he can keep it up for? I doubt he will kick more than two goals next week.
Secondly, Sheedy is an idiot. Also, our opinion is as good as anyone's, because an opinion is just that, an opinion.

 

[pauljam]

Great reply d4E......................

Said it all!!!

Should be a very interesting game next week with both teams showing a bit of form.

GO EAGLES!

 

[Frodo]

Yes, very nice D4E. I might also add to this comment

do they give out trophies for finishing 15th now?

We look like finishing 14th now, a small but significant improvement showing we are on the way up. Maybe some similarity to Port last year.

And Kuppa, nobody justifies credibility by posting on footy fora operating under pseudonym's. My criticism of Freo has a background of four pre-season months of Sabre telling us about Freo being finals certainties and the Eagles a bunch of old duds certain for the wooden spoon. After that gob****e and the dreadful Freo performances being labeled honourable defeats the response was predictable.

If you can't cop the retorts sweet Kuppa then you and Sabre should shut your gobs and stop making stupid predictions!
You have already set yourself up for a fall this week. Notice that no Eagles supporters are crowing about what we are going to do to Freo, we know that upsets happen and don't wish to make outrageous predictions. I have always said that intelligent people in WA support the Eagles

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by Frodo
We look like finishing 14th now, a small but significant improvement showing we are on the way up. Maybe some similarity to Port last year.

Yes, very similar to last years port side

Lets look at the smilarities shall we for a second:

Port: Young and up and coming side - with youth and pace on their side

WCE: Old and tired side of past champions rebuilding.

Need I go on any further?

And Kuppa, nobody justifies credibility by posting on footy fora operating under pseudonym's. My criticism of Freo has a background of four pre-season months of Sabre telling us about Freo being finals certainties and the Eagles a bunch of old duds certain for the wooden spoon. After that gob****e and the dreadful Freo performances being labeled honourable defeats the response was predictable.

The only idiot on this site that championed the phrase 'honourable loss' (for which might I add I do not think such a thing exists) was YOU troll-do - each and every week you popped up and sniped away on the freo board, then disappeared ... I dont see or hear anyone else but you doing it - so to then use that as your reasoning for you puerile trash, is well laughable.

The even more ironic thing is, as your side were getting belted, you still found the time to bother to come and snipe away at us - dont you find it slightly ridiculous - at least wait til your side is dominating - in fact just winning ... you dont see any freo posters(or anyone else for that matter) coming in here trolling at your results ... once again, it is only you.

If you can't cop the retorts sweet Kuppa then you and Sabre should shut your gobs and stop making stupid predictions!

Please, Do show me ONE, just ONE time I have made an outlandish prediction - please do not confuse myself with Sabre - he may - but then again if I judged all WCE supporters by your inane posting, then heaven help all you lot!


I do cop it sweet, and I do point out, hopefully clearly, why I have little or no respect for you troll-do, all I ever see from you are sarcastic sniping posts with little intelligence or merit, and I point it out for all to see ... it's my opinon, and I stick by it!

If you kneew me, you would know I both live and die by the sword, and am more than happy to copit sweet - so if you do get up on the weekend, you wont see me making inane excuses - ill copit and wish you well done - as I did earluier in the year when you broke the duck against the demons - if you check, I was one of the first poisters to come in here and wish you well done.

You have already set yourself up for a fall this week. Notice that no Eagles supporters are crowing about what we are going to do to Freo, we know that upsets happen and don't wish to make outrageous predictions.

You foolish man - so if Freo were to beat you - that would be an upset would it? In any pervious years, maybe not last season, but before that, I would agree with you - a AFL power playing Freo was always going to be an upset, but if 15th (oh sorry, thats right 14th now!) loses to 16th, it is hardly an upset!

Either way, I have been hardly 'crowing' if 'crowing' is looking forward hopefully to pumping your lot, then I guess I have ... however if supporting your side through thick and thin is a crime, guilty as charged!

I have always said that intelligent people in WA support the Eagles

Yes, we can add that to the trash that generally falls from your mouth on a regular basis then cant we?

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes

Need i mention our injury list? By round 4 we already had 2 knee reckons, Glass was out with an ankle and several others were also out injured. So don't even try and compare injuries.

All sides have injuries, and personally, have neever used them as an excuse - what's the point?'

However, to say we cant compare the loss of 2 key forwards (one of who single handedly won the previous match up between the 2 sides) and lead ruckman ios a tad harsh - but as i say, your call - and injuries are a crutch to which poor results are held up with.

Same thing freo did last year, finished 13th but called it a success on accounts of the eagles finishing 14th. So don't be a hypocrit.

Um, who called it a success? I didn't, I don't know anyone who did - so wheres the hypocricy? Show me where anyone said it was a success - then maybe you have a point, but it is a national competition, and as much as like beating your mob, i could really give 2 ****s where you finish - preferably behind Freo, but hey - if you are ahead, good luck to you.

Under your system, if freo won 15 games and finished 3rd, and your mob won 16 and finished 2nd, our season wouldnt be any good? I'm sure you see my point.

Same thing you are doing on our forum right now.

Well I sure hope not - you may not realise but your poster in arms, Troll-do deemed fit to come and post puerile crap each week, after each loss - no merit to the posts, just sniping - I hope that I am at least trying to bring reasoned arguement here to your board, justifying my POV - and that is far from inane trolling.

When has an eagles supporter called 2001 a success?

Good question - I hope no one has! In all seriousness though - whenever UI have brought up any perceived defeciences in your side, I am told that your side is above mine, and thus all is ok, and to p!ss off ... so perhaps qualify my statement, that comparitively you see it as a success?

Firstly, two good games don't make a player good, i'd like to see how long he can keep it up for? I doubt he will kick more than two goals next week.

I agree wholeheartedly - all I was poitning out was that I stated, 2 weeks ago, that UI thought Justin Longmuir was the real deal, and would do very well for us - after being told by Jod and a few others our ruck/tall man division was ****e. Since then, he has played very well - will he keep it up though? heere's hoping!

What do you base your analysis of only 2 goals this week on btw?

Secondly, Sheedy is an idiot. Also, our opinion is as good as anyone's, because an opinion is just that, an opinion.

True, an opinion can't be wrong, but to be honest with you, I'd tqker a 20 year league coach, with 10 years playing experience, coached 4flags etc etc etc slightly higher than some net geeks analysis that Longmuir is 'crap' - I do agree that the man (sheedy) is a fool, but he has been around and seen alot more footy close up that either you, I or anyone on this site ...

Anyway, enough of this - you are a reasonable and well thought out poster d_4_E and I have no issue with your posts ... so good luck on the weekend (you'll need it! )

 

[Frodo]

Angry little fella anren't we

Originally posted by kuepper


Port: Young and up and coming side - with youth and pace on their side

WCE: Old and tired side of past champions rebuilding.

Need I go on any further?

Yes you do. Eagles have one of the youngest squads in the competition. Jako and Milli are 28 and only Matera and Kemp (retiring) are older. Pitch that comment at Carlton or Kangaroos but not Eagles. Or have I missed some other tired and old champions?


The only idiot on this site that championed the phrase 'honourable loss' (for which might I add I do not think such a thing exists) was YOU

Incorrect, it was in reponse to Sabres thread on the main forum

The even more ironic thing is, as your side were getting belted, you still found the time to bother to come and snipe away at us - dont you find it slightly ridiculous - at least wait til your side is dominating - in fact just winning ... you dont see any freo posters(or anyone else for that matter) coming in here trolling at your results ... once again, it is only you.

Freo fans regalarly come here as you do, writing rubbish and degrading the Eagles....go ahead and sook about the payback

Please, Do show me ONE, just ONE time I have made an outlandish prediction - please do not confuse myself with Sabre - he may - but then again if I judged all WCE supporters by your inane posting, then heaven help all you lot!

WCE: Old and tired side of past champions rebuilding

That is an outlandish prediction of Eagles players performances. It is insulting and rubbish

I do cop it sweet, and I do point out, hopefully clearly, why I have little or no respect for you troll-do, all I ever see from you are sarcastic sniping posts with little intelligence or merit, and I point it out for all to see ... it's my opinon, and I stick by it!

You're choice Kuppa, just don't sook so much when you cop it back

If you kneew me, you would know I both live and die by the sword, and am more than happy to copit sweet - so if you do get up on the weekend, you wont see me making inane excuses - ill copit and wish you well done - as I did earluier in the year when you broke the duck against the demons - if you check, I was one of the first poisters to come in here and wish you well done.

Mostly die i expect

You foolish man - so if Freo were to beat you - that would be an upset would it? In any pervious years, maybe not last season, but before that, I would agree with you - a AFL power playing Freo was always going to be an upset, but if 15th (oh sorry, thats right 14th now!) loses to 16th, it is hardly an upset!

Freo beating Eagles will ALWAYS be an upset

Either way, I have been hardly 'crowing' if 'crowing' is looking forward hopefully to pumping your lot, then I guess I have ... however if supporting your side through thick and thin is a crime, guilty as charged!

Ahhh, the introduction of the word HOPE. Makes such a change

Yes, we can add that to the trash that generally falls from your mouth on a regular basis then cant we?

Poor little Anchor

 

[jod23]

LOL After one win he comes in blowing his horn!!

Why do i care what Sheedy says about Longmuir. I think Sheedy is a ****er and the only reason they think he is a great coach is because he coaches Essendon. Im 20 years old and i think i could coach Essendon to a premiership!!!! They have so much talent i would just say go out and win and they would. Sheedy is a hack.

Anyway if Longmuir is a future Brownlow winner in Sheedy's eyes then Cousins will finish his career with 5 brownlows

 

[Goldenblue]

Mayhaps the best team will win this weekend....Go you Eagles....Beat those purple frockers!!!