JuddsABlue
Norm Smith Medallist
James Obst was crushing for millions when he was 17
you either get poker or you dont, whether young or old
usually the braver the better and young people can be stupidly brave
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James Obst was crushing for millions when he was 17
you either get poker or you dont, whether young or old
usually the braver the better and young people can be stupidly brave
sante
Emu
You were always going to say that. Still...
He is right though. Age is a tiny part of what makes up a great player, in fact having a background in strategy and logic games such as Chess, Backgammon and even a card game like Magic: The Gathering, would leave you far better equiped to learn poker then watching 10 hours of the WPT or playing a couple hours of 1/2nl at the casino.
I went from complete n00b to where I am now as a not quite complete n00b in about two-three years. If you start playing these games as a kid (very possible) and with the accessibility of poker on the net compared to live games back in the day, there is little reason why someone couldnt be a complete gun by the age of 10 or 12 compared to 21 or whatever if they started early enough.
I went from complete n00b to where I am now as a not quite complete n00b in about two-three years. If you start playing these games as a kid (very possible) and with the accessibility of poker on the net compared to live games back in the day, there is little reason why someone couldnt be a complete gun by the age of 10 or 12 compared to 21 or whatever if they started early enough.
James Obst was a bit of a chess prodigy at age 12-13, so he obviously has the right strategic mind. In chess, kids in the 12-14 range routinely beat experienced, and some are among the best players in the country at that age.
The only thing holding kids back in poker is the issue over legality and the morality of teaching young kids a gambling game. If the strategic elements of poker could be separated from the money side, , you would probably have 14 year olds taking down WSOP bracelets (if it were legal).
If the father actually played exclusively on the account (as opposed to ghosting or stepping in when the stakes got high), then they would probably also get the money. Apart from the fact that it makes no sense for an adult to sign up an account in the name of an underage kid.
CrippsonBlue
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Hard to give a definite opinion about this situation as the details aren't even clear, but it seems that the account was under the sons name, and since he is underage, they tried to claim it was in fact the father playing.
What I was saying is that even had the father played, he used an account other than his own, so that could be reason enough to not pay.
I doubt Pokerstars will go out of their way to not pay anyone - they won't want the negative publicity. However I've got no problem if they want to enforce basic rules, but the money really should be split between those that got knocked out as previously suggested.
What I was saying is that even had the father played, he used an account other than his own, so that could be reason enough to not pay.
I doubt Pokerstars will go out of their way to not pay anyone - they won't want the negative publicity. However I've got no problem if they want to enforce basic rules, but the money really should be split between those that got knocked out as previously suggested.
CrippsonBlue
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Online maybe, but I can't see 14 year olds holding their own against the various personalities at live tables.
JuddsABlue
Norm Smith Medallist
only yeah but it'd be pretty impossible for a kid to win a live tournament imo
You should watch a 12 year old chess prodigy crush a lineup of adult experts sometime. Some of those kids have incredible capacities for concentration, stamina and focus. 6 hour games are not all that unusual, and chess games require much more continuous concentration than poker tournaments (and no breaks).
JuddsABlue
Norm Smith Medallist
I just dont think a kid can get over the jitters that quickly
On top of that the patience required for a large mtt win is huge, this also takes time and experience in a live setting to learn
Basically what I'm saying is I dont think the maturity is there yet
Its just my opinion, I really couldnt see it happening
They definately could, plus the maturity and patience should already be there from other games.
I used to play a lot of junior lawn bowls (hahahaha lol at you etc...) and competed a few times in state championships for under 18s. There would be a few kids with injuries that prevented them from playing more physical sports, but the vast majority were very fit kids who practised very hard and received good training and were able to compete with adults, with a few of the people I played with now making adult State and National teams, including Kelsey Cottrell and Melissa Solly, as well as Cameron Tunstall, Matthew Mitchell and Matt Pennington on the mens side of things.
Poker is the same in that given the right facilities to improve and practice they can easily compete and challenge against adults.
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You forgot (/thinly veiled thin brag), ash 
I'd suggest the idea that maturity or patience comes with age is a myth. It's just there are certain behavioural standards that change as you get older, so you have to adjust your behaviour accordingly. In a situation where both adult and kid are expected to act alike (as at a poker table), I don't see why one or the other would have a patience advantage.
Just as a case in point, consider the patience required for something like this:
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I'd suggest the idea that maturity or patience comes with age is a myth. It's just there are certain behavioural standards that change as you get older, so you have to adjust your behaviour accordingly. In a situation where both adult and kid are expected to act alike (as at a poker table), I don't see why one or the other would have a patience advantage.
Just as a case in point, consider the patience required for something like this:
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The fact that to enter the State champs was $5 or so and didnt require any qualification etc... means that to compete was hardly a brag
The fact that I did beat the reigning Junior Bowler of the Year without my own set of lawn bowls (probably the equivilent of hitting a debut century with borrowed cricket gear that didnt fit and was too big) 21-12 and should have beaten the eventual champion in the next round but lost 18-21 probably is thin value brag worthy, but that is a story for another day.
Things like piano lessons and playing an instrument in general is another sign that age is no barrier to performing in most non-physical endeavours. Obviously if it takes 20 years of study to perform something well, then a 15 year old wont be able to do it. But a 30 year old starting at 10 will do just as well as a 40 year old starting at 20 all other things being equal.
The fact that I did beat the reigning Junior Bowler of the Year without my own set of lawn bowls (probably the equivilent of hitting a debut century with borrowed cricket gear that didnt fit and was too big) 21-12 and should have beaten the eventual champion in the next round but lost 18-21 probably is thin value brag worthy, but that is a story for another day.
Things like piano lessons and playing an instrument in general is another sign that age is no barrier to performing in most non-physical endeavours. Obviously if it takes 20 years of study to perform something well, then a 15 year old wont be able to do it. But a 30 year old starting at 10 will do just as well as a 40 year old starting at 20 all other things being equal.
