Kane Johnson - Pedestrian like

[tigerT]

the guys been playing on one leg for 8 weeks? So when we debate about how his form has slipped, isnt that valid?
Like there are a few here that live in the land of nod and either dont have a thinking brain, or refuse to allow it to think, opting for the easy way out and just bag supporters who choose to debate a certain players form.
Yes he has courageously battle on with the injury, but that doesnt mean that his form hasnt slipped, and when I for one see a player that is not on the top of his game then I will talk about it. The fact he is injured doesnt rate when you cross the white line. Thats not my problem that is his and the people that select him.
Furthermore, the debate has ntothing to do with his ability to find it, its all to do with his drop in form when disposing of it. So we cant talk about that? because some fools feel embarrassed? get real people!!

You know whats foolish? spankers like yourself who like to create a buzz by ridiculously over-analyzing issues. Dont for a second try to hide behind the rationale that all your doing is trying to stimulate 'debate'. It's wretched trolls like you that delight in stirring the pot and causing angst in-house over nothing issues. It would be ok if all you did was "talk about it" but this is questioning his very worth and merit to the team, which unequivocably is one of the more brainless 'discussions' thats been brought up on BF.

 

[CoggaRules]

You know whats foolish? spankers like yourself who like to create a buzz by ridiculously over-analyzing issues. Dont for a second try to hide behind the rationale that all your doing is trying to stimulate 'debate'. It's wretched trolls like you that delight in stirring the pot and causing angst in-house over nothing issues. It would be ok if all you did was "talk about it" but this is questioning his very worth and merit to the team, which unequivocably is one of the more brainless 'discussions' thats been brought up on BF.

who the hell questioned his worth to the team moron, all I am saying is that he has now, for some reason lost his bearings when delivering and deciding when and where to deliver.
Its heros like you that think they are the be all and end all of a tiger supporter, just because they feel like they are protecting a player's reputation on a bloody web site that is here for all supporters to air their views. grievances etc.
I can see by the use of the word "troll" the kind of simpleton that I am dealing with so enough said. Like boohoo, you called me a troll, and forever I will not know how to face the world. Dipstick!!

 

[tigertRANCE]

Richo makes a big impact, Jonno doesn't

Bingo. You're one of the few mt who actually watches and observes instead of the blind faith some have on here for so-called guns.

GO TIGES!!!

 

[tigerT]

who the hell questioned his worth to the team moron, all I am saying is that he has now, for some reason lost his bearings when delivering and deciding when and where to deliver.
Its heros like you that think they are the be all and end all of a tiger supporter, just because they feel like they are protecting a player's reputation on a bloody web site that is here for all supporters to air their views. grievances etc.
I can see by the use of the word "troll" the kind of simpleton that I am dealing with so enough said. Like boohoo, you called me a troll, and forever I will not know how to face the world. Dipstick!!

whats the general theme of this thread you gimp? Its hardly the end of the world, Kane along with cogs have both slowed down markedly in the 2nd half of the season for 2 reasons and both have been said a fair few times on these boards ad-f.ucking-nauseum, 1)lack of a decent backup in the rotation so they are over worked, and 2) fitness or lack of it, for various reasons. get it? we dont need drama queens like urself to tell us how bad his disposal is, how we made a mistake getting him for draft picks et al. I dont pretend to be the perfect tiger supporter but I will make sure i tell p.issants like u exactly what I think wen u continually talk thru the poop shute

 

[CoggaRules]

whats the general theme of this thread you gimp? Its hardly the end of the world, Kane along with cogs have both slowed down markedly in the 2nd half of the season for 2 reasons and both have been said a fair few times on these boards ad-f.ucking-nauseum, 1)lack of a decent backup in the rotation so they are over worked, and 2) fitness or lack of it, for various reasons. get it? we dont need drama queens like urself to tell us how bad his disposal is, how we made a mistake getting him for draft picks et al. I dont pretend to be the perfect tiger supporter but I will make sure i tell p.issants like u exactly what I think wen u continually talk thru the poop shute

thats cool, but when you do make sure to express exactly what you think, then you will be told by those that you expresed your thoughts to, what they think. Big deal!!!!! So it aint the end of the world? lol, looks like it isnt by the way you express yourself huh?

 

[1980]

who the hell questioned his worth to the team moron, all I am saying is that he has now, for some reason lost his bearings when delivering and deciding when and where to deliver.
Its heros like you that think they are the be all and end all of a tiger supporter, just because they feel like they are protecting a player's reputation on a bloody web site that is here for all supporters to air their views. grievances etc.
I can see by the use of the word "troll" the kind of simpleton that I am dealing with so enough said. Like boohoo, you called me a troll, and forever I will not know how to face the world. Dipstick!!

You did more than question his drop in form. What you did was support another poster who said he was good trade bait. He's not trade bait. He's our captain and his contribution to the team since he joined us from the Crows speaks for itself. A dip in form doesnt warrant being traded

 

[CoggaRules]

You did more than question his drop in form. What you did was support another poster who said he was good trade bait. He's not trade bait. He's our captain and his contribution to the team since he joined us from the Crows speaks for itself. A dip in form doesnt warrant being traded

If i did, which i doubt, then its purely on the premise that when you are building a side that in the future is hopefully going to rise to the top, you cannot be to precious when it comes to trades. If the right player is available and it happens that we have to give up a "precious to you" player, then you have to bite the bullet, or you forever are left waiting fot the form that was once there to return, or havent you been a supporter of the tigers for the last decade and a half? No one apart from the newbies is above being expendable for the greater good of the side and the future. If youcant understand that, then with all due respect, you dont understand what this game is about, when talking flags.
Especially when you have a coach in TW who might be tippy toeing around now, since he has to satisfy people like yourslef and the other dillusionals, that cant see through the fog of mediocrity, but when the time comes he will start hitting hard, because the nice guys never get to the top!!!!!!!

 

[tigertime]

I have another word for Johnson. Its not pedestrian.

Its Passenger. Thats what he has been this season.

Another word, which spud used on gasper hilariously, which applies even more to Johnson, is that he has a tendency to spectate. ie. He is a Spectator.

Johnson should be admired by supporters. He watches the game from close up, while we watch it from behind a fence. He is a champion spectator.

LMAO.

Goooo johnson goooo johnson. U CAN DO IT!!!! LMAO.

 

[silence ofthe Robert]

Johnson has been very consistent in his first two years - a bit ordinary this year. Taking the emotion out of it if we are aiming to develop a real top four side, looking at trading Johnson is a real option.

Consideration No1. - Is Johnson likely to be a key members of our midfield rotations in a side contending for the flag. Some say yes - I would say no.

Consideration No 2 If No to No 1, is there another position Johno can play. Some say yes I say No. He cant kick goals, no good overhead and not particularly fast or good defensively.

Consideration No 3 If No to No 1 and No 2, should we trade for an equivalent rated player (but KPP) say for example Chris Tarrant/Mal Michaels Some say No. I say yes.

If no deal is available I am happy for Johno to continue at Richmond but perhaps not as captain. If so all power to him, and I will support him when he runs out in the yellow and black.

 

[CoggaRules]

Well then whats your opinion on Cogs?

Cog's form has slipped as well, most likely due to his truncated pre season. This has seen him used less onthe ball and more as a HF/HB by TW. Both possies are not as energy sapping as on ball, and when at HF, I would think its purely a case of TW needing someone that can do it in the form of defensive pressure inside our F50.
He still hits tackles with the same venom, still can break enough of the tackle to get his arms free for the give, so with Fol and Tuck and add X to that, we will have 4 to do the heavy grafting instead of 2.

 

[tigerT]

If i did, which i doubt, then its purely on the premise that when you are building a side that in the future is hopefully going to rise to the top, you cannot be to precious when it comes to trades. If the right player is available and it happens that we have to give up a "precious to you" player, then you have to bite the bullet, or you forever are left waiting fot the form that was once there to return, or havent you been a supporter of the tigers for the last decade and a half? No one apart from the newbies is above being expendable for the greater good of the side and the future. If youcant understand that, then with all due respect, you dont understand what this game is about, when talking flags.
Especially when you have a coach in TW who might be tippy toeing around now, since he has to satisfy people like yourslef and the other dillusionals, that cant see through the fog of mediocrity, but when the time comes he will start hitting hard, because the nice guys never get to the top!!!!!!!

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO @ the tickets u have on urself. What makes u think wallace gives a rats clacka abt what we as supporters think should be done with the playing list. With all due respect to everyone here dimwits and informed posters alike, Wallace would hardly abstain from making a tough choice 'just to keep us happy' through a honeymoon period. Wallace will do whatever is necessary and I'll back him all the way, but until he shows me that our own captain is a liability to this football club, forgive me for calling some of you spankers the makita tools of the week.

Another thing that amuses me, if johno "cant kick, cant run and isnt good enough to play in our midfield and should sit on a HBF", what makes you people think he'd be a viable trade option? What exactly would another club find so captivating about this "dud"? Oh hang on, know-one except for coggarules and a few others have the nous to see him for what he is, so we wont have any troubles shopping him around for a mega trade
You sure some of u blokes arent pies supporters in disguise? you make abt as much sense..

 

[Weaver]

Consideration No 3 If No to No 1 and No 2, should we trade for an equivalent rated player (but KPP) say for example Chris Tarrant/Mal Michaels Some say No. I say yes.

Consideration No 4 - Johno takes the heat off Coughlan. If Johnson is out of the midfield Coughlan goes back to having to be in every bounce and we run the risk of him breaking down. If Johnson can take good players in one of the man on man match-ups (as he has done these past couple of weeks) that lets Cuughlan, Tuck, Hyde and co shuffle down on to lower rated opponents and gives us an edge in midfield.

For example if Johnson plays on Ling this week and they both get 15-20 touches and take each other out of the game. That means that Ling can't take Coughlan or Tuck out. It means that we can use Hyde as a tagger. It gives us that extra bloke to rotate through the middle so that we finish with a bit of run in our legs (unlike the Hawks last week who died).

Johnson doesn't have to be a 25-30 touch guy to be important to our structure. Similar story with Chaffey for parts of the year.

We get rid of Johnson and Coughlan, Tuck and Hyde have to step-up a level and we suffer as a result.

 

[Crumden]

Johnson has been very consistent in his first two years - a bit ordinary this year. Taking the emotion out of it if we are aiming to develop a real top four side, looking at trading Johnson is a real option.

Consideration No1. - Is Johnson likely to be a key members of our midfield rotations in a side contending for the flag. Some say yes - I would say no.

Consideration No 2 If No to No 1, is there another position Johno can play. Some say yes I say No. He cant kick goals, no good overhead and not particularly fast or good defensively.

Consideration No 3 If No to No 1 and No 2, should we trade for an equivalent rated player (but KPP) say for example Chris Tarrant/Mal Michaels Some say No. I say yes.

If no deal is available I am happy for Johno to continue at Richmond but perhaps not as captain. If so all power to him, and I will support him when he runs out in the yellow and black.

I don't understand your logic here SOTR. On the one hand, you say Johnson isn'tlikely to be a key part of a premiership contending team, but on the other you say trade him for Michaels who is a year older.

 

[CoggaRules]

You sure some of u blokes arent pies supporters in disguise? you make abt as much sense..

sorry man, you must be a real close friend or a relo of Suga's. From now on no more analysis of Suga ok people?, tT doesnt like it.

 

[tigertime]

Consideration 5)

28 Goals scored. Johnson had 9 possies coming into last quarter. Amassed (s************s) 6 possessions in last quarter.

How do you manage to avoid the ball so often when it is right on top of you.

Consider we get a player that can actually contribute, cogs and tuck wont have to be the only ball winners. eg. Foley is a standout because he gets near the ball. Something johnson doesnt do very often.

Anyone wanting to compare cogs to johnson. Dont be stupid. Cogs is very young and is coming off a serious injury.

Johnson is "captain" and his best years are well and truly behind. There is no comparison. Cogs has a promising future. Cant expect much from johnno.

Consideration No 4 - Johno takes the heat off Coughlan. If Johnson is out of the midfield Coughlan goes back to having to be in every bounce and we run the risk of him breaking down. If Johnson can take good players in one of the man on man match-ups (as he has done these past couple of weeks) that lets Cuughlan, Tuck, Hyde and co shuffle down on to lower rated opponents and gives us an edge in midfield.

For example if Johnson plays on Ling this week and they both get 15-20 touches and take each other out of the game. That means that Ling can't take Coughlan or Tuck out. It means that we can use Hyde as a tagger. It gives us that extra bloke to rotate through the middle so that we finish with a bit of run in our legs (unlike the Hawks last week who died).

Johnson doesn't have to be a 25-30 touch guy to be important to our structure. Similar story with Chaffey for parts of the year.

We get rid of Johnson and Coughlan, Tuck and Hyde have to step-up a level and we suffer as a result.

 

[JohnF]

Consideration 5)

28 Goals scored. Johnson had 9 possies coming into last quarter. Amassed (s************s) 6 possessions in last quarter.

How do you manage to avoid the ball so often when it is right on top of you.

Consider we get a player that can actually contribute, cogs and tuck wont have to be the only ball winners. eg. Foley is a standout because he gets near the ball. Something johnson doesnt do very often.

lmfaooooo@Johnson not getting near the ball, but Foley getting heaps of it.

Johnson = 22.75 touches per game this year

Foley might have similar stats - in the VFL.

 

[1980]

If i did, which i doubt, then its purely on the premise that when you are building a side that in the future is hopefully going to rise to the top, you cannot be to precious when it comes to trades. If the right player is available and it happens that we have to give up a "precious to you" player, then you have to bite the bullet, or you forever are left waiting fot the form that was once there to return, or havent you been a supporter of the tigers for the last decade and a half? No one apart from the newbies is above being expendable for the greater good of the side and the future. If youcant understand that, then with all due respect, you dont understand what this game is about, when talking flags.
Especially when you have a coach in TW who might be tippy toeing around now, since he has to satisfy people like yourslef and the other dillusionals, that cant see through the fog of mediocrity, but when the time comes he will start hitting hard, because the nice guys never get to the top!!!!!!!

We're already doing that. We kicked out Ottens last year.

What we shouldnt do is jump on our captain's back for playing a handful of bad games and suggest we trade him because he's not performing.

 

[silence ofthe Robert]

I don't understand your logic here SOTR. On the one hand, you say Johnson isn'tlikely to be a key part of a premiership contending team, but on the other you say trade him for Michaels who is a year older.

My point is that we are more likely to be contenders, given the choice, with Michaels at full back and a gun kid playing Johnson's role ,as opposed to not having Michaels and having Johnson as a key midfielder, in the next few years.

Re Weaver's comment fair point re depth - my point is that Foley Tuck and Cogs are hopefully more than capable of doing most of the grunt extraction work (aided perhaps by Polo/Hyde) and the next wave of young midfielders might provide a quantum leap on what Johno can deliver in terms of finishing. Johno's solid - no doubt and offers depth.

 

[tigerman]

1980

You were glowing in your praise of our captain only 12 months ago, as this old thread suggests!
The fact is that Sugar had his best year for us, playing a role for us that the coach wanted.
1980, how about being a bit consistent in your comments.

 

[Goldust]

We're already doing that. We kicked out Ottens last year.

What we shouldnt do is jump on our captain's back for playing a handful of bad games and suggest we trade him because he's not performing.

He, he, he, he!!!!

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

1980

You were glowing in your praise of our captain only 12 months ago, as this old thread suggests!
The fact is that Sugar had his best year for us, playing a role for us that the coach wanted.
1980, how about being a bit consistent in your comments.

Too easy to bring up peoples past comments on here but lets face it, alot can happen in 12 months,

in 2001 Frawley was coach of Richmond and we played in a Prelim.......... 12 months later? .............

the rest is history.

 

[1980]

1980

You were glowing in your praise of our captain only 12 months ago, as this old thread suggests!
The fact is that Sugar had his best year for us, playing a role for us that the coach wanted.
1980, how about being a bit consistent in your comments.

Here's consistency for you. Kane Johnson did not deserve to win the B&F. That's not a comment about his contribution. It is a comment that there were players like Simmonds that performed better than he did.

Try and find a post I've made that says I think Johnson is a better player than Simmonds, or you'll end up looking like an even bigger loser

 

[tigerman]

Johnson played on and in most cases beat the best midfielders from each team this season.
Whether he should or should not have got Jack's medal is irrelevant to me.
I thank him for having a red hot go, and for setting a fine example to to the youngers players.

 

[Goldust]

Johnson played on and in most cases beat the best midfielders from each team this season.
Whether he should or should not have got Jack's medal is irrelevant to me.
I thank him for having a red hot go, and for setting a fine example to to the youngers players.

COULDN'T agree more. Accountability and a good ol' fashioned red hot go never goes astray!