Kane Tenace questions

[shawthing09]

He was a fairly hyped player when drafted with some real upsides in his pace, and has racked em up fairly well at vfl level but does not seem to be in favour or able to breakthrough at senior level. I have a couple questions as i have not seen to much of him

Firstly does he have any glaring downsides that account for his inability to break in eg. is he a "soft" player? poor disposal? does he not work hard enough defensivly? or is it just that he is not as versatile as some of your other mids like ablett n chapman who rotates foward n corey n selwood who rotate back?

Secondly do you guys see him breaking into the team in the near future or is he a player that is considered to be a depth/ fringe or trade bait player?

If he is consider a possible trade bait what trade value do you think he will hold? as he has not shown much at afl level even after a few years on the list has struggled to string consecutive games together

cheers

 

[Bryceson]

You could say he isnt very versatile, but i don't think thats what is stoping him getting/staying in the team. To me, he doesn't seem his confident self when playing at AFL level compared to when he plays in the 2's (he is always in the best when playing VFL). I think he also seems to make a few silly mistakes under pressure. But mostly he just hasn't been consistent enough at AFL level to warrant a permanent place in the team.

I can't see him getting in the side again this year, and probably not next year. So I don't see why he wouldn't be trade bait. Not sure on what value he has, but i spose time will tell.

 

[GeeCat]

At the moment, he has too many things not going for than going for him, really, and in the end the balancing ledger is way off the mark.

His move to the half back has encouraged him to run and attack more (two major deficiences of his for the player the club wants him to be - and really, there's no real reason why he shouldn't be). It's selective really, but his run in general has improved in intelligence (when and where to run) and ground covered, and he is certainly finding the pill with more ease (well, was before being dropped again), but there is still too much of the woeful decision-making, skill execution, fumbling hands, soft presence in contests, and too little attacking of the game (be it at the ball, man, or the play).

Potentially (I know, here we go..) he can provide us with something few others on the current list can provide; and that's not really pure speed, but the subsequent run off the back half with that speed. It was something to appreciate about his game in the (brief) few weeks he looked like he was getting things together in the middle of the year, but really, I guess, it's all been baby-steps in the bigger picture.

 

[year of the cat]

Has been ongoing concerns regarding his disposal, particularly by foot. Has pace but many on this forum, rightly or wrongly, don't think he utilises it enough.

Was exposed during the year and duly dropped against Essendon when played one out against Welsh. Is not good in a one on one contest.

Has played in a sweeping role around half back this year in a different role with pretty good success.

In my opinion he is worth perservering with but may be traded or even request a trade if his opportunities to get regular senior game time do not improve.

In this draft (which is pretty week by all reports) a late first round pick may get him.

 

[scottydeewah]

I could def see GFC offering him as trade bait. Does seem the type of player that may still make it and could do well with a new coach with a different style.

Always seems to lack real confidence when he plays and when he speaks.

Hard to judge value really. Him and our first round pick I think could probably secure a pretty descent player.

 

[WE Are Geelong]

Given Tenace isnt in the seniors I am not sure why this thread is in existence when this topic was done to death a few weeks back and prior to that again. What have we gleaned about him in the past few weeks in the twos that warrants a fresh look at it?

The thread is "Kane Tenace questions"...we have asked all questions to death on this board...why are the answers suddenly here this week with nothing new to go on?

 

[sarah.13]

I could def see GFC offering him as trade bait. Does seem the type of player that may still make it and could do well with a new coach with a different style.

Always seems to lack real confidence when he plays and when he speaks.

Hard to judge value really. Him and our first round pick I think could probably secure a pretty descent player.

Or more likely a decent upgrade of our first Rd pick.

 

[CatFan79]

A player with quick pace is only a partial ingredient of fast ball movement. Having the required agility, awareness and football brain is required or the pace is pretty useless.

I have no doubt Tenace was drafted primarily because of his pace assuming his skills such as kicking, awareness, agility would improve over time, but they haven't. I think he is destined to be one of those players who struggles with the pace and hardness of senior footy.

I just can't see his value in our team, there are so many better options. He'll stay on the list for a while unless a decent trade comes up but I can't see him getting in the seniors any time soon.

 

[WE Are Geelong]

A player with quick pace is only a partial ingredient of fast ball movement. Having the required agility, awareness and football brain is required or the pace is pretty useless.

I have no doubt Tenace was drafted primarily because of his pace assuming his skills such as kicking, awareness, agility would improve over time, but they haven't. I think he is destined to be one of those players who struggles with the pace and hardness of senior footy.

I just can't see his value in our team, there are so many better options. He'll stay on the list for a while unless a decent trade comes up but I can't see him getting in the seniors any time soon.

Do you feel Hunt has been the successful replacement for Tenace you hoped him to be?

I think Hunt is going along ok...but he hasnt really added anything to the side IMO. I hope he keeps it up but not sure where the value is at the moment.

 

[catempire]

At the moment he's in the bracket of 22-26 in line for senior selection.

He has attributes and potential which mean he is of value to the team but he will be discussed during trade week, no doubt.

You wouldn't walk away with him without giving up anything less than a pick in the 20-30 range though. Depends on how the club's season goes though. If we win the flag we can take more gambles on players like Tenace who have the potential to pay off and when there's no pressing need to cleanse the list.

 

[shawthing09]

Given Tenace isnt in the seniors I am not sure why this thread is in existence when this topic was done to death a few weeks back and prior to that again. What have we gleaned about him in the past few weeks in the twos that warrants a fresh look at it?

The thread is "Kane Tenace questions"...we have asked all questions to death on this board...why are the answers suddenly here this week with nothing new to go on?

sorry not a supporter haven't really been checking your board i was just thinking of players who may be abtainable over the off season and tenace was one that i didn know much about that was fairly hyped when selected and thought i would see what people who knew more about him thought

 

[WE Are Geelong]

sorry not a supporter haven't really been checking your board i was just thinking of players who may be abtainable over the off season and tenace was one that i didn know much about that was fairly hyped when selected and thought i would see what people who knew more about him thought

That's cool mate. I have to be honest and say I didnt notice you were an opposition supporter... so I understand your line of questioning. All the questions about him are quite valid. He is in a bracket of players at the club who show potential but needs to do more...I think everyone agrees on that. I think until he is given another go in the seniors though we wont know too much else about him. Not just his name but a number might get brought up at trade week but as we often find not much is done about it...only a few rare deals ever get done these days.

 

[DanA]

I would say he ticks most boxes except he is relatively poor in a marking contest and has poor disposal.

I think he has the potential to play 200 AFL games but it finding it hard to fit into the Geelong midfeild and only really started playing in the backline this year.

I think he is a good chance to return to the side at some stage this year and a very good chance of becoming regular next year.

 

[cellis84]

josh hunts a much better option off half back. tenace will only break in2 the geelong midfield if we get massacred with injuries. he is quick and does some good things, but not often enough. disposal by foot is almost as bad as ******* byrnes. i want 2 c him do well because if he learnt 2 kick he wld b a much better player, but until then we wld b silly not 2 put a 4 sale sign on him n c what we cld get.

 

[Budda 230]

Tenace's disposal has definitely improved this year. Obviously has the odd shocker, but I have been pleasantly surprised of his improvement in the kicking area this year.

Sounds like people wouldn't agree with me here though.

 

[cat in sydney]

Tenace's disposal has definitely improved this year. Obviously has the odd shocker, but I have been pleasantly surprised of his improvement in the kicking area this year.

Sounds like people wouldn't agree with me here though.

While the efficiency of his disposals would be up this year, he still has one of the most woeful kicking styles I've seen on a AFL player.
The problem is, when it comes to pressure situations (like finals), players skills are tested to the limit, and his cannot stand up as he does not have the basics. Under intense pressure, he will shank more than he drills.

That's why I'm uncertain he has a real future. Is he one of those guys that were drafted as an athlete as opposed to being a footballer?

 

[a.f.k.a.y.o.p.]

Tenace's disposal has definitely improved this year. Obviously has the odd shocker, but I have been pleasantly surprised of his improvement in the kicking area this year.

Sounds like people wouldn't agree with me here though.

I dont think he has been that bad when brought in - i rate him higher than Burns.
The Essendon game after which he was dropped he made a couple of mistaked early on, includeing the aforementioned "getting outmarked one on one by Welsh" but i think he was a bit stiff. He was just outmanouvered.
He came good durig the game - but obviously not good enough.
But look at the backline where he naturally slots in- there is honestly no place for him with a fit Dj and Rooke cmong back, plus Hunt performing better this second half of the year. He will make senior football with more game time, but not this year. I think we should keep him.......

 

[thegerman]

Like most on this board have already stated, and exactly what I stated a couple of days ago about Byrnes.

It helps if you do have speed, but if it isn't used effectively or with a flair of confidence then it is useless. Both Byrnes and Tenace are the same, both have that pace which we all love to see, however they don't use it effectively.

Wojak does, that's why he is an instant starter. Tenace and Byrnes need to view how Wojak goes about his game and take notes.

 

[hobart cat]

Can run


that is all

 

[WE Are Geelong]

For all the 'experts' on pace in this thread...how about answering this question.

Why dont clubs just waltz up to the A grade athletic meets around the country and recruit guys even just for the rookie list and give them a try? Anyone who can run under 11 seconds like Tenace can or did as a junior thats if as you say running fast is all thats required to get a game in the AFL these days....The simple answer to this question is it just doesnt happen. Basketballers det drafted, Gaelic footballers get drafted, cricketers get drafted..why not runners? Simple question needs a simple answer.

Hang on here's the answer...doesnt happen.

I am not creating this argument by the way I am just talking it through to its natural conclusion. People consistently get on here saying Tenace can run thats it...or he is fast but doesnt use his speed effectively.

Given Geelong's excellent run with drafting under Bomber Thompson and Stephen Wells...Tenace got picked because he is just fast? And as a number 1 draft pick. He has improved this year by the way but since he hasnt delivered fully on his potential the only possible conclusion is he is a hack?

Whenever you see someone exaggerating on here to make a point you can bet 99.99% of the time they are just flat out wrong about what they are saying.

Tenace is an improving work in progress who should be at least given 1-2 more seasons on the list before counting him out.

 

[CatFan79]

Whenever you see someone exaggerating on here to make a point you can bet 99.99% of the time they are just flat out wrong about what they are saying.

Take some of your own advise perhaps?

 

[WE Are Geelong]

Take some of your own advise perhaps?

In what sense? If I exaggerated point it out...otherwise your comment is meaningless...which wouldnt be the first time that occured.

Its become common practice for the negative posters to exaggerate about Tenace on this board. Its simple.

 

[CatFan79]

Why dont clubs just waltz up to the A grade athletic meets around the country and recruit guys even just for the rookie list and give them a try?

I think the above qualifies as an exaggeration.

If Tenace shows obvious deficiencies in his game, of course supporters are going to see them as negatives and comment on them.

 

[WE Are Geelong]

I think the above qualifies as an exaggeration.

If Tenace shows obvious deficiencies in his game, of course supporters are going to see them as negatives and comment on them.

That comment is based on fact. No AFL club goes out and picks running athletes on their list if they cant play footy first. It's also in response to a littany of responses suggesting all Tenace can do is run...and even then he doesnt utilise his pace properly. Just give it a rest. He is a round 1 draft pick who hasnt fully realised his potential yet but is improving. Last year it was Mackie the first rounder not up to it...what a surprise he is one year ahead of Tenace and now is a class option down back and an automatic pick 12 months on from being a so called 'hack' by many like you on here. Most AFL players take 3-4 years to develop to their full potential...some take 5 years. Selwood is an exception.

People comment about negatives on here because it is easier to bag someone than say something constructive. They dont just bag them though...they go way over the top making ridiculous claims about someone's lack of ability. Am I exaggerating now?

Has Hunt realised his full potential? If he hasn't which he surely hasn't what's he still doing on the list?

 

[CatFan79]

Last year it was Mackie the first rounder not up to it...

Actually, the second half of last season Mackie was playing very good footballl. He always had the skills though, and once he adjusted to senior football and cleaned up the off-field stuff, he was fine.

ridiculous claims about someone's lack of ability.

As many others have agreed, Tenace has a clear lack of ability. Why is this ridiculous? I'm sure if you look past your Tenace love and actually watch some of his performances you'll be able to accept the criticism as fact.

Has Hunt realised his full potential? If he hasn't which he surely hasn't what's he still doing on the list?

I don't see the relevance here to Hunt? Unless...

You were unhappy when I mentioned in another post weeks ago that after Tenace's pitiful performance Hunt would most likely come in at his expense (and he did).. Still angry ?