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Much has been made of Kent, particularly in recent weeks, though the general arguments both in favour and in defense of him remain the same.

Now, I'll confess I'm not an avid fan of his, but at the same time I'd like to think I'm reasonably level-headed enough to see that he does have some worth to the team. He has talent, I don't think many can argue otherwise, though it is evidently clear his flaws shadow the better part of him. Some call that a hack, I like to think of it more as a 'flawed footballer who's deficiencies significantly hinder his ability to maximise his strengths moreso than many others'. A spin, I know, but I suspect those who ignorantly label him a hack fail to recognise the worth (however little) he brings.

I think it's hardly a secret that Kent has limited bows to his game, though the bows he does possess are particularly strong. A leading forward if ever, blessed with more than adequate speed and hands for such a role. Thrives in space, and when he's on song, he's good enough to warrant the role as our focal point. His goal average ain't half too bad either.

And perhaps Kent defenders/supporters have a point when they shift the blame from being solely Kent to a shared load with the midfield. On that note, I somewhat agree with their point. Alot of Kent will be dependent on the delivery to him. Whilst he has shown in the past a capacity to do so (minimal, though), I think it's more than fair to say he's unlikely to ever conjure up his bag of goals by himself. So the argument that the recent delivery to him has played a part on his form has some merit, if very little. Let's face it, delivery's to Kent over the head or by any other means but on the chest is simply unlikely to work.

That being said though, I also agree that much more must be done on Kent's behalf. Calling for long kicks when he's one-out in the goalsquare is borderline ridiculous. His contested marking has improved over the years, however marginal, but that's not enough to justify such actions. Call it a complete lack of a football brain of what, but he must realise the situation he's in. He's not a well-rounded player, but the strengths he does possess are well founded enough for him to contribute as good as any other on the field. The midfield has an obligation to play to his strengths when he becomes the focus of an attack, but he likewise as that obligation to instigate the correct means of attack in the first place. He has to realise as well as everyone else out there, supporters included, that trying to be something he's not (a contested-grabbing star forward) will only end in frustration.

Contrary to what many will say, he has talent. He has the capacity to be consistent (on a certain level) in his contribution to the team. It may not be 3-4 goal bags (and on that note it is the fans who need to realise this as well as anybody else), but certainly 1-2 goals a game is a feasible return. Some may write home that he has the potential to be even greater but for those woeful kicking skills. To that I say 'yes', the potential is there, but let's be realistic. Let's look at the situation. Let's accept the fact that such a wish is...well, a wish. It's frustrating, certainly, but it's the reality of the situation. Accept it not on the basis of accepting mediocrity, but on the basis that wishing and hoping for more serves as nothing less than ammo for that frustration. It's reality, move on.

The past few weeks have certainly raised the legitimate prospect of Kent being dropped for form. Now, I'm personally still undecided if that's a move I want to make. Not because I don't think he doesn't deserve to be dropped, but because I'd simply like to trial him in positions other than his customary 'full-forward'. Perhaps on a flank, where his strengths are still played to (an essential if he's to contribute to this team). Yeah, injuries and conditions have hurt his performances (though the latter argument I don't really subscribe to), and some of that must be taken into account (particularly the fact that he shouldn't have played at least 2 of those games). Contrary to some here, I can't blame him for last night's loss, but I do acknowledge that he is running on low brownie points now.
 
u should be a journo...very well written :thumbsu:

yes its no secret Kent is not a contest type of key forward...he is quick on a lead and is crafty at ground level...moreso than your average tall forward. And yes quality of the delivery is the key. And we all know he works better NOT being the focal point...he will probably be glad Nablett is likely to play next week with King appearing to miss and Otto into the ruck.

To be critical he does need to use his body more...i mean there's 193cm and 95kg of the bloke. I think Barry Stoneham should get into his ear about that but then again he's never played that way. Also over-reliant on the chest mark even when the defender is sure to get a fist in, appears reluctant to stick his arms out. But he CAN take an overhead mark, ive seen it with my own eyes...just no confidence.

Let's not forget that he is our only tall forward genuinely capable of kicking a real bag of goals. Look at that NAB game and RD 2. I cant see Playfair or Ottens ever really doing that.

and if you are going to get out of a form slump...you need your senior players out on the park.
 
Just wait till we get to the votes for this game...

In all seriousness though, no forward had an impact on Saturday and no forward on our list would've had an impact on the game.

The delivery was absolute tripe, and the extra men we put behind the ball meant that most contests in our forward line were 1 Geelong guy onto 2-3 Collingwood players. This isn't a way to score goals efficently, especially when you have forwards who are devoid of a rounded game.

If you are running through the middle of the ground with little pressure and cannot hit a guy on the chest on the lead you really should question if AFL is the professional sport for you. It isn't hard and shouldnt be a hard gameplan to employ. Especially with a guy like Kent who is quick on the lead, and Ottens and Playfair who are very big and hard to get around.

If the ball is put out in front of them well, they will mark it.

Der Geelong.
 

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G , you can certainly run a couple of words together when you put your mind to it. Nice post

To me Kent Kinglsey is the is almost the epitome of our current side. It would be ludicrous to blame Sat only on KK but he is so much like ourside. At his best one thinks he is fantastic, his eight goal game this year was as good as Id seen him play. The trouble is ,as you've pointed out, he doesnt get enough possession on 50/50 balls.Sat night against more than one defender was just was way beyound better forwards than he.

He is a fine forward on the lead and fair when it hits the ground.Ive said before KK would be a 100 goal player if he could kick like Chapman. He has been found out in big tight pressure games when the ball delievery has been pressured and the heat is high. some of it his fault some of it our ball movement. If we had serious power forward , lets say a Barry Hall or Johnathon Brown he would be a 3rd tall type and thats what he is best at although if he is not the main focus he may have less opitunities.

That being said Id trade him for a R2 pick in this draft because as youve said one should not expect him to be any better than he is now and thru no fault of his , WE are not good enough and only a few are NoTrade players
 
Turbocat said:
G , you can certainly run a couple of words together when you put your mind to it. Nice post

To me Kent Kinglsey is the is almost the epitome of our current side. It would be ludicrous to blame Sat only on KK but he is so much like ourside. At his best one thinks he is fantastic, his eight goal game this year was as good as Id seen him play. The trouble is ,as you've pointed out, he doesnt get enough possession on 50/50 balls.Sat night against more than one defender was just was way beyound better forwards than he.

He is a fine forward on the lead and fair when it hits the ground.Ive said before KK would be a 100 goal player if he could kick like Chapman. He has been found out in big tight pressure games when the ball delievery has been pressured and the heat is high. some of it his fault some of it our ball movement. If we had serious power forward , lets say a Barry Hall or Johnathon Brown he would be a 3rd tall type and thats what he is best at although if he is not the main focus he may have less opitunities.

That being said Id trade him for a R2 pick in this draft because as youve said one should not expect him to be any better than he is now and thru no fault of his , WE are not good enough and only a few are NoTrade players

Love reading your posts, Turbocat. Always have something useful to say and it is backed up by an explanation! Good post too, GeeCat! Same applies for you!

Some good points raised. Kent Kingsley has always been the player to me that when Geelong are playing well, he will play better. Sounds very simplistic I know, but it rings true.

He relies heavily on good delivery, and sure he has his flaws. However, he is the best option we have at the moment.
 
Turbocat said:
G , you can certainly run a couple of words together when you put your mind to it. Nice post

To me Kent Kinglsey is the is almost the epitome of our current side. It would be ludicrous to blame Sat only on KK but he is so much like ourside. At his best one thinks he is fantastic, his eight goal game this year was as good as Id seen him play. The trouble is ,as you've pointed out, he doesnt get enough possession on 50/50 balls.Sat night against more than one defender was just was way beyound better forwards than he.

He is a fine forward on the lead and fair when it hits the ground.Ive said before KK would be a 100 goal player if he could kick like Chapman. He has been found out in big tight pressure games when the ball delievery has been pressured and the heat is high. some of it his fault some of it our ball movement. If we had serious power forward , lets say a Barry Hall or Johnathon Brown he would be a 3rd tall type and thats what he is best at although if he is not the main focus he may have less opitunities.

That being said Id trade him for a R2 pick in this draft because as youve said one should not expect him to be any better than he is now and thru no fault of his , WE are not good enough and only a few are NoTrade players

With all due respect, isn't this just recycling what gets said about 5 times a season?
 
nananana catman said:
I noticed, and apology accepted

Noticed that KK's performance is repetitious? Well I suppose all thread are churn to a degree Nana, I sure we all, even yourself cover old ground when expressin or defending points of view.One things for sure, if KK doesnt start to kick some goals, somehow , there will be more repeats on KK performance or lack of it.
 
Delivery poor at best. Key position players not in key positions on the field. Lack of intelligent football. Hate to say it but while all the boys have talent, this is one of the most unintelligent football sides I have ever seen.
 
ripitup27 said:
Delivery poor at best. Key position players not in key positions on the field. Lack of intelligent football. Hate to say it but while all the boys have talent, this is one of the most unintelligent football sides I have ever seen.

Totally agree

However after the Sydney game, we were all bagging the style of play. They were just chipping the ball around, but now they just bomb the ball to the square and Kingsley has a bigger opponent on him and 2 running back against him. Dumb football.

I will repeat. We will not win a flag with Kingsley and Playfair as our 2 key forwards. Kingsley is a third stringer at best. As for Henry, well I think ive allready flogged that dead horse.

Play N Ablett Mackie for the rest of the season.
 
mackie and ablett that is crazy!!!

mackie isnt big enough for starters the guy is a twig and has put on no muscle in his 4 yrs at the club. and if u are going to accuse KK of inconsicitency then the same can be said for mackie can it not?

and nablett...well the jury is still out on him but i would like to see him and kent in the same side...
 

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Get him on the Backline and put Hunt in the forward line with Playfair rucking, everything is getting to predictable and the opposition have got us figured out.
 
Turbocat said:
Noticed that KK's performance is repetitious? Well I suppose all thread are churn to a degree Nana, I sure we all, even yourself cover old ground when expressin or defending points of view.One things for sure, if KK doesnt start to kick some goals, somehow , there will be more repeats on KK performance or lack of it.

1 goal in 4 games is nowhere near good enough for an alleged full forward. And if he's not fit him, drop him and let him rediscover form and fitness in the 2nds. If it's good enough for Harley, Riccardi and Steve Johnson, then it's good enough for the male model too.
 
Shaggs said:
Get him on the Backline and put Hunt in the forward line with Playfair rucking, everything is getting to predictable and the opposition have got us figured out.
I've always wanted to play Hunt as a forward, he's a good mark and a great kick (but maybe not of recent). I don't no about Playfair in the ruck, I don't know what's going on with him lately. Ottens is a much better option in the ruck than Playfair. He marks okay, but doesn't do enough. He's our CHF, but compare him to other teams CHF - Riewoldt, Brown, Hall, Rocca, he doesn't really compare. Other than CHF or the Ruck, where else could we play Playfair?
Back onto the topic of Kingsley, what do we do with him!? Do we drop him to the VFL for a couple of weeks like we did with S. Johnson?
I hate how people keep saying he's sh*t, he's sh*t, he's not our FF. He's a floater. They'll play him this week, but if he does nothing again, he's definately dropped, we can't keep playing him.
 
I still think playfair in the ruck is a good option, get him in there and make him earn his keep. Stick King at full forward all game and rotate ottens throught the ruck giving playfair a rest at CHF or the Square. These big blokes shouldnt be on the bench, rest them in the Forward line. The team dynamics are a shambles when the big fellas are not on the ground.

Its would be no good to drop kingsley. He just should be our focal point up forward he would be perfect on a flank back or forward. King and Mooney should become the focal points up forward. Both stong marks and good long ACCURATE kicks
 

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