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This is 100% the worst aspect of our game at the moment.

We have two plays; A: Kick it long to the right side or B: Chip it to the pocket then kick it long to the right side.
  • We never quick kick in
  • We never switch
  • We don't have a contested marking beast
  • We don't have a player behind the pack to gather the loose ball
It seriously boggles my mind that we are this bad coming out of defense and that we do the same thing over and over and over. (insanity)

It isn't working and I don't why we don't change it up.

It would almost be worth having Fletcher come back JUST for kick ins because at least his kick ins resulted in the highest forward movement % in the comp from kick ins.

It seriously can't be that hard to fix.

Bring back the huddle FFS if you can't orchestrate anything better out of defense.
 
100% agree. I hate our kick ins. It's one of the big reasons that we continually concede inside 50s and go through patches of the game where we hardly score anything.
 
Wallesy!
 
I really like it when we use Watson or Stanton to kick it in.
 

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No wonder they always come straight back in. Our oppositions could be a bunch of morons but still know EXACTLY what we're going to do with our kick ins.
More faith needs to show in McGrath & McNeice to take a few kick ins and go for a run... McKenna even - could be a good way to get him a few more touches/confidence.
 
I reckon our kick-ins might not be such an issue if we didn't concede so many inside 50s a result of getting beaten in the midfield.

For instance in the first half against Freo were actually much more effective rebounding than they were.
 
blitzer said:
I reckon our kick-ins might not be such an issue if we didn't concede so many inside 50s a result of getting beaten in the midfield.

For instance in the first half against Freo were actually much more effective rebounding than they were.
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But a big portion of i50s we concede is because of our inability to get the ball out of defence after a kick in
 
Is this the wrong time to say we're the #1 team for goals scored from kick ins?
 
eth-dog said:
Is this the wrong time to say we're the #1 team for goals scored from kick ins?
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Haha, yeah doesn't surprise me!

It's funny how your eyes can deceive you when you are only looking for negatives like some of the posters on here.

Our gameplan is certainly a work in progress but it's showing signs that it can be a dangerous one when it gets through the development stage!
 

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has the exclusion zone rule taken away the ability to shepard off the man on the mark?

Would love to have pidge kicking to himself and going for a trot while the man on the mark gets blocked, thats a cheap 30 yards there before a kick, even 40 or more with a quick draw then one two handball.
 
eth-dog said:
Is this the wrong time to say we're the #1 team for goals scored from kick ins?
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Our kick ins legitimately are not our major issue. The issue is how many times it goes into our backline and the high % of our scoring which needs to come from our defense as a result. Ideally if we won the ball more in the centre we would concede less inside 50's. Also if we put better defensive pressure on through the midfield the opposition also wouldn't get so many inside 50s - the amount of times the opposition just waltz through the corridor and put it inside 50 is crazy right now.

All this stuff leads to us having a LOT of kick-ins. I don't know how to find the stat but I bet we've had the most (or close to) kick-ins this year.
 
blitzer said:
Our kick ins legitimately are not our major issue. The issue is how many times it goes into our backline and the high % of our scoring which needs to come from our defense as a result. Ideally if we won the ball more in the centre we would concede less inside 50's. Also if we put better defensive pressure on through the midfield the opposition also wouldn't get so many inside 50s - the amount of times the opposition just waltz through the corridor and put it inside 50 is crazy right now.

All this stuff leads to us having a LOT of kick-ins. I don't know how to find the stat but I bet we've had the most (or close to) kick-ins this year.
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atleast if we are having kick ins they havent scored a goal
 
blitzer said:
Our kick ins legitimately are not our major issue. The issue is how many times it goes into our backline and the high % of our scoring which needs to come from our defense as a result. Ideally if we won the ball more in the centre we would concede less inside 50's. Also if we put better defensive pressure on through the midfield the opposition also wouldn't get so many inside 50s - the amount of times the opposition just waltz through the corridor and put it inside 50 is crazy right now.

All this stuff leads to us having a LOT of kick-ins. I don't know how to find the stat but I bet we've had the most (or close to) kick-ins this year.
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Well that's easy. See who has the most behinds conceded. Which is Brisbane, followed by Geelong, then us.
 
quotemokc said:
This is 100% the worst aspect of our game at the moment.

We have two plays; A: Kick it long to the right side or B: Chip it to the pocket then kick it long to the right side.
  • We never quick kick in
  • We never switch
  • We don't have a contested marking beast
  • We don't have a player behind the pack to gather the loose ball
It seriously boggles my mind that we are this bad coming out of defense and that we do the same thing over and over and over. (insanity)

It isn't working and I don't why we don't change it up.

It would almost be worth having Fletcher come back JUST for kick ins because at least his kick ins resulted in the highest forward movement % in the comp from kick ins.

It seriously can't be that hard to fix.

Bring back the huddle FFS if you can't orchestrate anything better out of defense.
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Except the huddle is one of the easiest things to defend.
 
Woosha mentioned a couple of weeks ago he wasn't as concerned as others were with how many inside 50's we were having against us!

He intimated that they were working to a plan that meant reduce the quality of the ball coming back in, and also giving ourselves the best opportunity to get free flowing ball into our forward 50.

I think it was the Anzac game that everyone had an aneurysm over the amount of times that Hurley kicked it to the right back flank. Woosha suggested that with such a big pack forming there that even if Collingwood won the 50/50 contest that they would be under considerable pressure so they were just banging it back in which doesn't help your forwards.

But conversely, if we won the possession and get it on the outside our fleetfooted midfielders/forward could open up the fat side of the ground and get better quality of possession going into our front half. It's a simple risk versus reward strategy that once its fully developed should be just one of many elements to the overall gameplan.

Ultimately once the midfield is up and running then we will be able to develop further advantages from winning at stoppages that will again lesson our risks, but also increase our chances of scoring.

Using a comparison from other sports; NFL from each position on the ground have a series of plays that are based on the position at which they set up and how much risk and reward they are prepared to take according to the scores in the game at time.
 

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