Kieren Jack

[RUNVS]

When do you all think Kieren Jack will get a regular starting spot for the Sydney Swans. I watched him on his debut and i think he is exactly what the Swans need. I am rather surprised he hasnt played more matches for the first team considering the injury problems we have been having this year.

 

[mj23]

what position do you see him holding down.

 

[RUNVS]

what position do you see him holding down.

Thats the thing. The Swans team is rather full with very experianced players at the moment. I do get the feeling though that we should be giving more young guys a run in the first team as it will benefit the Swans in future years. There are several other young guys i would also like to see in the first team to see what they are made of. What exact position does Jack play in the reserves team?

 

[mj23]

I got no idea but we have to many Mcveigh Fosdike types lets get some big blokes.

 

[swantastic]

I reckon Crouch is finished for the year so that means Kierin Jack comes in,same for same.What we need is some pacy midfielders.

 

[mj23]

well does Daniel O'keefe have speed? we won a premiership with not much speed in the midfield.

 

[liz]

Jack's not eligible for selection at the moment. Once LRT resumed playing football with the reserves a month or so ago, Jack went back down to the rookie list. Unless they decide to pull the pin on Crouch's season sometime soon (or another player goes down with a season ending injury, or close to it) Jack will stay with the twos for the rest of this season. They have until before round 18 to promote him in place of an injured player. After that, you can't promote rookies to cover a long term injury.

Speed is not really one of O'Keefe's attributes. He looks like a smart player but is not a race horse. But I reckon he needs another pre-season and an extended run with no niggling injuries before we really start to get an idea of his capabilities. He's slowly been working his way into things and is starting to show a few promising glimpses but nothing to suggest he's close to a senior call up (or that he might become close before this season is up).

 

[chammond]

Jack's not eligible for selection at the moment. Once LRT resumed playing football with the reserves a month or so ago, Jack went back down to the rookie list. Unless they decide to pull the pin on Crouch's season sometime soon (or another player goes down with a season ending injury, or close to it) Jack will stay with the twos for the rest of this season. They have until before round 18 to promote him in place of an injured player. After that, you can't promote rookies to cover a long term injury.

Speed is not really one of O'Keefe's attributes. He looks like a smart player but is not a race horse. But I reckon he needs another pre-season and an extended run with no niggling injuries before we really start to get an idea of his capabilities. He's slowly been working his way into things and is starting to show a few promising glimpses but nothing to suggest he's close to a senior call up (or that he might become close before this season is up).

Reading the reports on here and RWO about the reserves players, I'm hard pressed to identify a small that is a better option than Buchanan or a tall that looks likely to get called up before LRT. Do you think there's any real chance of a new talent forcing into the seniors, Liz?

I liked the look of White in the pre-season, but haven't read much about him since then.

 

[liz]

Reading the reports on here and RWO about the reserves players, I'm hard pressed to identify a small that is a better option than Buchanan or a tall that looks likely to get called up before LRT. Do you think there's any real chance of a new talent forcing into the seniors, Liz?

I liked the look of White in the pre-season, but haven't read much about him since then.

Definitely agree that there's no-one unlikely to push ahead of those two. But I guess it's not out of the question that we'll get some injuries between now and the end of the season, or that McVeigh will show that last week was an abherration and the coaches will finally bite the bullet. Or we lose to Carlton this weekend and the coaches decide that this year's chances are gone and it's time to see who else can play. OK - even I don't think it's likely we'll lose to Carlton, and we won't draw any conclusions even if we lose to West Coast, so it won't be until we get to the games against Richmond, St Kilda and maybe Brisbane that some tough decisions may need to be taken if the results aren't what we hope they will be.

Is that the same as thinking there aren't untried players capable of taking the step up? Definitely not. Laidlaw was stiff just to get one week and then lose his spot, though none of us will complain about getting Tiger back a week or three earlier than we'd anticipated. I'd have had Jack in the team in a flash a couple of weeks ago had he been available but with a few players now back and healthy, and Schneider responding well to his dumping, it would be hard for him to get in.

There is, in theory a role available to play on those small nippy forwards. Bevan's been doing it in Crouch's absence, with mixed results. I think that role, maybe also doing some midfield tagging, is the likely role for Jack in the medium term (ie slotting into the role Crouch has done pretty effectively for the past decade) but you wouldn't want to throw him to the wolves on the likes of Farmer and Davey until he's played a few more games.

You have to wonder how LRT and Monty are going to be fitted back into the team, and who will make way. A few weeks ago you might have thought Ted would make way for LRT, with B2 moving into the role Ted's been playing, as that flexible and rebounding defender and allowing LRT back onto the CHFs. But Ted's been really good in the last month - repeating his pattern of last season - so it's hard to see him losing out. Dempster maybe the one who has to make way but I like the flexibility his attributes provide, even if we're still waiting for him to really play that break-out game that suggests he might start to fulfill his potential. Alternatively, such is B2's flexibility that he might get shifted onto Bevan's otherwise-opponents, unless they're really nippy, in which case Schneider moves back to cover them.

As for Monty's position, you can't help but fear that Schmidt's place is still at risk. And unless you're going to give Schmidt a bit more time in the middle to see if he can become a Mitchell-type clearance machine, you might as well have Monty in the team instead of him - so long as it's the Monty of 2005-6, not the half-baked version we've had so far this year. I don't think any of us would argue with the inform version of Monty being in our best 22, even if it is at the expense of the promising Schmidt.

It is a strange situation that we seem to have 25 players who either we (or in some cases, the coaches) think are definitely in the best-22 (if you get my drift) and then a huge drop down just because the rest have never got any real opportunities. None of the rest are consistently ripping up the reserves ala Malceski in 2005 but until Laidlaw, Moore, Jack, Phillips, Grundy, Vogels and maybe even Thornton get a chance to string five or six games together, we ain't going to know whether they are ready to make a real contribution.

White's a fair way off senior footy IMHO, as are DOK and Simpkin - which isn't to say that after another pre-season they won't suddenly improve enough to be legitimate chances. Faulks and Currie are a long long way off, Brabazon I remain unconvinced by, and the rest are rookies so are pretty much zero chance to get a game and are still fighting even for a spot on next year's list.

 

[swantastic]

Why does it seem as if other clubs pick up youngsters, and their in the seniors the following season but with us it seems as if it takes years for them to get a gig.?
Do we realy know how to pick good young talent?

 

[RUNVS]

Why does it seem as if other clubs pick up youngsters, and their in the seniors the following season but with us it seems as if it takes years for them to get a gig.?
Do we realy know how to pick good young talent?

We know how to pick the talent but we rarely give them a chance to show what they can do. Its the only disadvantage of having very few injuries.

 

[nico]

Surely LRT comes in for Bevan.

As for a rookie promotion, why would we opt for a midget instead of say Rowe who is a tall. Goodness knows we need some height in the side.

Jack might be playing well in the 2's but I was not convinced at all in his performances in the 1's. His possession was sloppy, he kicked poorly and as far as I am concerned a couple of hard dashes at the footy doesn't mark him as an up and comer. Why would you promote him and then play him ahead of Buchanan who we know performs in the big time.

 

[Glenn_]

We know how to pick the talent but we rarely give them a chance to show what they can do. Its the only disadvantage of having very few injuries.

Also other clubs have their younger players playing in vastly superior comps to the ACTAFL, so easier to judge who could step up to the seniors if needed.

 

[The J Dog]

Surely LRT comes in for Bevan.

As for a rookie promotion, why would we opt for a midget instead of say Rowe who is a tall. Goodness knows we need some height in the side.

Jack might be playing well in the 2's but I was not convinced at all in his performances in the 1's. His possession was sloppy, he kicked poorly and as far as I am concerned a couple of hard dashes at the footy doesn't mark him as an up and comer. Why would you promote him and then play him ahead of Buchanan who we know performs in the big time.

I saw him live against St Kilda at Docklands. I think more confidence will make a huge difference to his kicking and decision making. The best thing he has going is his attitude. He only ever puts in 100%, plus he's reasonably quick, a good tackler, and has endurance. I think he could become a Steven Baker type tagger.

 

[snappy]

Im with you J Dog, Jack will definately come good ,more games under his belt and he will be the next Kirk.. big call, but if hes anything like his old man he will be a champion.. hows Balmain these days? used to be my home town once upon a time..

 

[No1SwansFan]

Sorry completely off the wall question but still relating to keiran. Does Garry Jack sell real estate in the west some where. I am sure i drove past a massive sign with his pic on it selling real estate in Blacktown. Just curious if i was right?