Kumar Sangakarra

[CheekyMonkey]

I wonder how many players have scored a 100 in three consecutive ODI's in Australia.

Also, how many have scored three consecutive 100's in three different venues in Australia (MCG, SCG, Bellerive).

I wonder how many are lucky enough to get Bangladesh, england and Scotland in consecutive ODIs?

Seriously, he if he had done this in a test series against Australia, you might have a point but this achievement is nothing to celebrate.

 

[Damon_3388]

Do they give out trophies for meaningless runs?

He is nothing more than a selfish, minnow bashing, average-whore.

Will add that 13 of those 15 innings I mentioned came against full member nations, and 12 of them were played outside of Sri Lanka.

I wonder how many are lucky enough to get Bangladesh, england and Scotland in consecutive ODIs?

Seriously, he if he had done this in a test series against Australia, you might have a point but this achievement is nothing to celebrate.

What would you prefer him do, not score runs against the teams he's scheduled to play against? Miss the century he scored against Australia the other night, too?

F**k me, you can't win no matter what you do anymore. Always someone finding some way to discount it.

 

[eth-dog]

Do they give out trophies for meaningless runs?

He is nothing more than a selfish, minnow bashing, average-whore.

The gift that keeps on giving.

 

[CheekyMonkey]

Will add that 13 of those 15 innings I mentioned came against full member nations, and 12 of them were played outside of Sri Lanka.



What would you prefer him do, not score runs against the teams he's scheduled to play against? Miss the century he scored against Australia the other night, too?

F**k me, you can't win no matter what you do anymore. Always someone finding some way to discount it.

They could do what most sides do, which is bowl first and get the game done and dusted as quickly as possible. Instead he is fattening his average. Typical of a subcontinent batsman.

His hundred against Australia was in a lost cause, nobody cares about losing hundreds.

He has played cricket for 15 years, why does he have just 7 tons outside the subcontinent? I can't respect a player that is incapable of winning his team a series in Australia or South Africa.

 

[sherb]

One of the games greats Sangakkara.

Absolute gun.

 

[evdo1706]

Probably one of the top 15-20 batsmen of all time. Legend.

 

[the_interloper]

One of the best bats of all time, plus he's really an all rounder with his keeping, would be one of the first picked in world cricket even still.

 

[saint_larry]

He has played cricket for 15 years, why does he have just 7 tons outside the subcontinent? I can't respect a player that is incapable of winning his team a series in Australia or South Africa.

Has 13 test hundreds outside of the subcontinent at 53. Averages 60 in Australia.
Has 12 ODI 100s outside of the subcontinent, averages 41.

Cricket is a team sport. Sangakarra has gone above and beyond with his part, has just lacked support around him.

Also, how many players win series single handedly anyway!?!??!

 

[Glacier]

I wonder how many are lucky enough to get Bangladesh, england and Scotland in consecutive ODIs?

Seriously, he if he had done this in a test series against Australia, you might have a point but this achievement is nothing to celebrate.

you are an idiot

 

[GOAUS!]

Certainly deserves to be mentioned as right up there with Ponting, Lara, Tendulkar, Kallis as recent greats of the game.

 

[The Passenger]

I don't think looking at his stats from a non keeping perspective is particularly selective. It's still a lot of tests, and recent history has shown that when players give up the gloves their batting improves. Look at the way Brendan McCullum has gone about it lately, and in the past Alec Stewart.

The other thing is Sanga batted primarily at number 3 even when keeping. Not many have done that. McCullum was largely a 7 as keeper, and moved up the order when passing on the gloves. Stewart did go up the order at times when keeping, but was primarily a 5 or 6 when keeping, and opener when not keeping.

AB De Villiers averages 58 as a keeper (23 tests) and 50 as a non keeper, but he was posting those sort of averages in the years prior (2008 - mid way through 2012) to becoming South Africa's #1 keeper (mid 2012 - 2014). ABdV "low" non keeping average is more due to the fact that prior to 2008 he was still finding his way in test cricket a little bit. AB was already a great batsmen when he took over the keeping. The way he is going one suspects his keeping and non-keeping averages will be pretty close to each other by the time he retires.

Sanga's last test as a full time keeper was June 2006 (kept one test since) at which point his average was a solid 46. Within a couple of years his average had sky rocketed into the mid 50's and has hovered between 55 and 58. It's no coincidence he went from good to great as soon as he gave up the gloves.

Bredan McCullum went from solid to good (right now spectacular) when he gave up the gloves. Stewart's career was kinda different as he was sometimes the teams keeper, and sometimes wasn't, up until 1999 when he took over the gloves for the final 3-4 years of his career. It's clear he performed better with the bat when not keeping.

Going back further Clyde Walcott is another who floated between keeper and non keeper. As a keeper (15 tests 1948-51) he averaged 40, and as a non keeper (29 tests 1952-60) he averaged 64. This is obviously helped by a similar effect to ABdV as he first few years would've been finding his feet as a test player, then coming into his prime you would expect his performances to rise.

 

[CheekyMonkey]

Has 13 test hundreds outside of the subcontinent at 53. Averages 60 in Australia.
Has 12 ODI 100s outside of the subcontinent, averages 41.

Cricket is a team sport. Sangakarra has gone above and beyond with his part, has just lacked support around him.

Also, how many players win series single handedly anyway!?!??!

he has 7 test tons outside the subcontinent:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=5;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

8 if you include zimbabwe.

batting average of 44.58, that's not world class by any stretch of the imagination, especially in the batsman-friendly era he played all his cricket in.

"lacked support"...yeah sure. thats what we always hear from all the subcontinentals, sangakarra never had support, tendulkar never had support, wasim akram never had support, blah blah blah.

none of them won a series in australia, in fact sanga hasn't even won a test match here.

ponting and gilchrist would win matches singlehandedly all the time.

 

[DrEvil_]

he has 7 test tons outside the subcontinent:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=5;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

8 if you include zimbabwe.

batting average of 44.58, that's not world class by any stretch of the imagination, especially in the batsman-friendly era he played all his cricket in.

"lacked support"...yeah sure. thats what we always hear from all the subcontinentals, sangakarra never had support, tendulkar never had support, wasim akram never had support, blah blah blah.

none of them won a series in australia, in fact sanga hasn't even won a test match here.

ponting and gilchrist would win matches singlehandedly all the time.

Didn't know pointing took 20 wickets in a game [emoji57]

 

[The Passenger]

What is the problem with 8 hundreds outside the subcontinent. He has only played 36 tests outside. 1 in every 4.5 tests is great going. Only four Asian batsmen have more than 10 test hundreds outside of Asia - Tendulkar (18), Gavaskar (15), Dravid (14) and Inzy (10). They all played quite a few more tests outside Asia than Sangakkara, particularly Sachin who played 77 tests outside Asia. Dependant on where his final tests are played, Kumar is every chance to become the fifth Asian batsmen to do it.

His average outside Asia of 47 is the sixth highest for Asian batsmen (min 1000 runs).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting

 

[CheekyMonkey]

What is the problem with 8 hundreds outside the subcontinent. He has only played 36 tests outside. 1 in every 4.5 tests is great going. Only four Asian batsmen have more than 10 test hundreds outside of Asia - Tendulkar (18), Gavaskar (15), Dravid (14) and Inzy (10). They all played quite a few more tests outside Asia than Sangakkara, particularly Sachin who played 77 tests outside Asia. Dependant on where his final tests are played, Kumar is every chance to become the fifth Asian batsmen to do it.

His average outside Asia of 47 is the sixth highest for Asian batsmen (min 1000 runs).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting

sixth highest among asians, but here we have people telling us that he is one of the 10 greatest batsmen of all time, greatest batsman since bradman, etc. that doesn't make sense to me.

you can't even make a convincing argument for him being the 2nd best asian batsman, let alone 2nd best all time.

not sure why the number of tests is an excuse, that tosser kholi has 7 in 20, and he's only been playing for 5 years. mo yousuf has an identical record, with 8 in 37.

how exactly does sangakara stand out from the other 8 or so batsmen in that list?

 

[CheekyMonkey]

Didn't know pointing took 20 wickets in a game [emoji57]

show me ONE innings from a subcontinent batsmen that was as good as this match-winning 4th innings ton by ponting:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63979.html

 

[DrEvil_]

show me ONE innings from a subcontinent batsmen that was as good as this match-winning 4th innings ton by ponting:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63979.html

Player of the match SK Warne (Australia)

Yeah pointing won the game by himself

 

[Slax]

sixth highest among asians, but here we have people telling us that he is one of the 10 greatest batsmen of all time, greatest batsman since bradman, etc. that doesn't make sense to me.

you can't even make a convincing argument for him being the 2nd best asian batsman, let alone 2nd best all time.

not sure why the number of tests is an excuse, that tosser kholi has 7 in 20, and he's only been playing for 5 years. mo yousuf has an identical record, with 8 in 37.

how exactly does sangakara stand out from the other 8 or so batsmen in that list?

He's not even the best batsman going around at the moment, that award belongs to AB, when you average over 50 in both Test and ODI cricket then you have serious legitimate claims to Top 10 all time status.

One of the best of his generation? Yes.
One of the best of all time? No.

 

[The Passenger]

sixth highest among asians, but here we have people telling us that he is one of the 10 greatest batsmen of all time, greatest batsman since bradman, etc. that doesn't make sense to me.

Outside of Bradman every batsmen has a few weak spots. If an Asian batsman's "weakness" is averaging 47 outside of Asia than they are going pretty well. Tendulkar averaged 50.3 outside. 2.6 runs between the two is hardly a discernible difference.

you can't even make a convincing argument for him being the 2nd best asian batsman, let alone 2nd best all time.

I don't rate anyway the second best batsmen of all time. Sanga is one of many in the argument.

not sure why the number of tests is an excuse,

so you expect sanga to have the same number as tons as tendulkar from less than half the games? sounds reasonable.

the only reasonable way to judge a player's centuries is by tests per 100, weighted towards those who have more tests thus larger sample size.

that tosser kholi has 7 in 20, and he's only been playing for 5 years. mo yousuf has an identical record of 8 in 37.

You keep bringing up kohli having 7 tons in 20 tests outside of Asia like it's the mark of a great batsmen. That is crazy good, very few (any) match it. But VK is very and up and down hence was his average (both career and outside asia) aren't as good as they could be.

how exactly does sangakara stand out from the other 8 or so batsmen in that list?

I would suggest a career average of 58, 69 without the gloves, 3rd or 4th on the run scoring list are what impresses people.

 

[estibador]

Player of the match SK Warne (Australia)

Yeah pointing won the game by himself

Can only imagine how many games Sanga would have won 'off his own bat' if he'd had McGrath and Warne ripping through the opposition for him.

 

[KissKiss]

show me ONE innings from a subcontinent batsmen that was as good as this match-winning 4th innings ton by ponting:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63979.html

That doesnt look that special an innings to be honest. There was a great platform laid by the two openers and they were only 6 down in the end. And that's before you even look at Gillys ton in the first innings or Warne's monster effort in bowling nearly 100 overs for the match including 70 in the 2nd innings

 

[The Passenger]

He's not even the best batsman going around at the moment, that award belongs to AB, when you average over 50 in both Test and ODI cricket then you have serious legitimate claims to Top 10 all time status.

How are you going to fill a top 10.

 

[The Passenger]

show me ONE innings from a subcontinent batsmen that was as good as this match-winning 4th innings ton by ponting:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63979.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/249194.html

One innings is hardly the be all and end all of a great batsmen.

There have only been about 60 fourth innings hundreds in a winning cause.

 

[KissKiss]

thats jayawardene, we're talking about sangakarra mate.

and:

Played at P Saravanamuttu Stadium, Colombo

what a wanky name for a stadium, how do u even pronounce that.

anyway, its a doctored subcontinent wicket, so it doesn't really count. i bet the pitch spun like a top tho, which is why that cheat murali threw a thousand overs on it.

You asked for a subcontinental batsman scoring a 4th innings ton and you got one, dont get upset because you posed the question poorly

 

[CheekyMonkey]

Outside of Bradman every batsmen has a few weak spots. If an Asian batsman's "weakness" is averaging 47 outside of Asia than they are going pretty well. Tendulkar averaged 50.3 outside. 2.6 runs between the two is hardly a discernible difference.

I don't rate anyway the second best batsmen of all time. Sanga is one of many in the argument.

so you expect sanga to have the same number as tons as tendulkar from less than half the games? sounds reasonable.

the only reasonable way to judge a player's centuries is by tests per 100, weighted towards those who have more tests thus larger sample size.

You keep bringing up kohli having 7 tons in 20 tests outside of Asia like it's the mark of a great batsmen. That is crazy good, very few (any) match it. But VK is very and up and down hence was his average (both career and outside asia) aren't as good as they could be.

I would suggest a career average of 58, 69 without the gloves, 3rd or 4th on the run scoring list are what impresses people.

alright, so ultimately this still shows that we can't separate him from other asian batsmen, let alone the superior australian or south african ones. if he had the highest average of the lot, then we would have something to discuss, but he is just another face in the crowd.

i agree with your assessment though, he is just one of many, many batsmen in the argument. which is why its hilarious when people bump the thread after he scores a ton against scotland.