ladder predictions

[Rosken]

disagree, injuries and suspensions to major players have killed us this year. Eliminate those two factors and we would be right up there.

Injuries and suspensions are no excuse, every team has them i.e Hawks, Magpies, Kangeroos, Lions, Cats, Dogs, Crows, etc all have had decent wins over the top eight sides, where we have not. Injuries and suspensions did not kill us this year it was our poor decision making, ball use and lack of confidence that saw us fall to where we are.

 

[grimlock]

I feel so naked. First time out of the Top 4 in yonks.

 

[Rosken]

I feel so naked. First time out of the Top 4 in yonks.

Sorry to say, but we better get used to it.........Robert Walls said tonight we need to rebuild like West Coast is if we are to challenge for the holy grail again.

 

[SM]

Commentators were spot on - the way we played tonight we could have beaten nearly anyone, so I don't count us out against the Pies - who struggled against Port - by a long shot. Geelong are just that much better.

Hall looked incredible, Buchanan was a positive sign, and Kirk was just his reliable self all night.

 

[swannykika]

Injuries and suspensions are no excuse, every team has them i.e Hawks, Magpies, Kangeroos, Lions, Cats, Dogs, Crows, etc all have had decent wins over the top eight sides, where we have not. Injuries and suspensions did not kill us this year it was our poor decision making, ball use and lack of confidence that saw us fall to where we are.

concide, a combination of all these things does not bode very well for a finals place. Swans have not continued to improve enough as a team since 06, where others have. whats even more bizarre is weagles fall from grace in 18 months. To think Swans and Weagles played consecutive GF's in 05/06. How quick the tide turns.

 

[SM]

Sorry to say, but we better get used to it.........Robert Walls said tonight we need to rebuild like West Coast is if we are to challenge for the holy grail again.

And Robert Walls quickly conceded that that was impossible for Sydney to do when Hudson or Voss or whoever pointed out that Roos had raised the fact that if Swans rebuilt as the Eagles have, and ended up bottom 4, the shifting nature of the Sydney market would leave the Swans well down on finances.

 

[Rosken]

And Robert Walls quickly conceded that that was impossible for Sydney to do when Hudson or Voss or whoever pointed out that Roos had raised the fact that if Swans rebuilt as the Eagles have, and ended up bottom 4, the shifting nature of the Sydney market would leave the Swans well down on finances.

This is true, but he also said he did not see Sydney challenging for a flag with its 30 plus players.

 

[SM]

Admitedly Barry, Everitt and Matthews are definite retirees for this year - Leo's just not able to go a whole season anymore, he had a hammy injury end of last year as well - I think the rest can play on. Hall, Kirk, O'laughlin and Crouch have all shown that they are still able to match it with the best.

Keep them on, and just build a list that can slowly ease their load. As the commentators said, Sydney needs another marquee player for when Hall retires, but definately NOT Cousins, I would die if he came to the club.

 

[TheMase]

This is true, but he also said he did not see Sydney challenging for a flag with its 30 plus players.

These 'experts' and many others have been sending us backwards since 2002 when Roos took over. They were wrong then, and they'll be wrong in the future.

Sitting in their comfortable seats in Melbourne, they have absolutely no idea what our list is capable of. Until they do, I will disregard any opinion they have of our side.

 

[potatomasher]

I've being doing ladder predictions frantically each week to make sure we're still looking good for the 4th spot, as I imagine most Swans/Crows/Pies/Kangas fans all have, and it all seems to hinge on the Collingwood game. Lose that, and it's sudden death. Win it, we're quite likely to nab the spot.

 

[Bonz]

1 Geelong 22 21 1 0 2660 1610 165.22 84
2 Hawthorn 22 18 4 0 2406 1808 133.08 72
3 W Bulldogs 22 15 6 1 2439 2071 117.77 62
4 Nth Melb 22 13 8 1 2066 2074 99.61 54
5 Adelaide 22 13 9 0 2005 1793 111.82 52
6 Sydney 22 12 9 1 2074 1849 112.17 50
7 Collingwood 22 12 10 0 2234 2024 110.38 48
8 St Kilda 22 12 10 0 2012 1998 100.70 48
9 Bris Lions 22 11 11 0 2164 2152 100.56 44
10 Richmond 22 9 12 1 2137 2363 90.44 38
11 Carlton 22 9 13 0 2151 2215 97.11 36
12 Fremantle 22 8 14 0 1991 2068 96.28 32
13 Essendon 22 8 14 0 2103 2451 85.80 32
14 Port Adel 22 6 16 0 1960 2216 88.45 24
15 West Coast 22 4 18 0 1672 2519 66.38 16
16 Melbourne 22 3 19 0 1698 2561 66.30 12

With us losing to collingwood and adalaide beating western bulldogs collingwood losing to freo at subi and st kilda osing to freo as well

1 Geelong 22 21 1 0 2660 1610 165.22 84
2 Hawthorn 22 18 4 0 2406 1808 133.08 72
3 W Bulldogs 22 15 6 1 2439 2071 117.77 62
4 Nth Melb 22 13 8 1 2066 2074 99.61 54
5 Adelaide 22 13 9 0 2005 1793 111.82 52
6 Collingwood 22 13 9 0 2254 2024 111.36 52
7 Sydney 22 12 9 1 2074 1849 112.17 50
8 St Kilda 22 12 10 0 2012 1998 100.70 48
9 Bris Lions 22 11 11 0 2164 2152 100.56 44
10 Richmond 22 9 12 1 2137 2363 90.44 38
11 Carlton 22 9 13 0 2151 2215 97.11 36
12 Essendon 22 8 14 0 2103 2451 85.80 32
13 Fremantle 22 7 15 0 1991 2088 95.35 28
14 Port Adel 22 6 16 0 1960 2216 88.45 24
15 West Coast 22 4 18 0 1672 2519 66.38 16
16 Melbourne 22 3 19 0 1698 2561 66.30 12

With collingwood beating freo

1 Geelong 21 20 1 0 2500 1570 159.24 80
2 Hawthorn 21 17 4 0 2306 1728 133.45 68
3 W Bulldogs 21 15 5 1 2369 1991 118.99 62
4 Sydney 21 12 8 1 1994 1769 112.72 50
5 Nth Melb 21 12 8 1 1986 2014 98.61 50
6 Adelaide 21 12 9 0 1925 1723 111.72 48
7 Collingwood 21 11 10 0 2154 1954 110.24 44
8 Bris Lions 21 11 10 0 2084 2052 101.56 44
9 St Kilda 21 11 10 0 1912 1908 100.21 44
10 Carlton 21 9 12 0 2071 2115 97.92 36
11 Richmond 21 8 12 1 2037 2283 89.22 34
12 Essendon 21 8 13 0 2013 2351 85.62 32
13 Fremantle 21 7 14 0 1901 1988 95.62 28
14 Port Adel 21 6 15 0 1900 2136 88.95 24
15 West Coast 21 4 17 0 1632 2359 69.18 16
16 Melbourne 21 3 18 0 1618 2461 65.75 12

Us beating collingwood and collingwood beating freo

WE NEED ST KILDA TO BEAT ADALAIDE!!!!!!
WE NEED TO BEAT BRISBANE

If we finish 6th somehow beat collingwood we will get loser of dogs hawthorn... then if a miracle occurs Geelong in prelim if we finish 5th we will get north and either st kilda or brisbane first round of finals

We want 5th or 4th and to avoid collingwood

 

[Rosken]

These 'experts' and many others have been sending us backwards since 2002 when Roos took over. They were wrong then, and they'll be wrong in the future.

Sitting in their comfortable seats in Melbourne, they have absolutely no idea what our list is capable of. Until they do, I will disregard any opinion they have of our side.

Sadly, I think they do have an idea, they said it last night that we looked second rate against the leagues benchmark, but then again so do many other teams.

I hope you are right. But going by our past performances against the top eight sides and with our ageing list I think there onto something. Its great we are blooding new kids and this will eventually replace our old timers, but success (challenge for a flag) in the immediate future is very unlikely until this transition has completed, which is by no means an overnight operation.

 

[carsoutback]

Sadly, I think they do have an idea, they said it last night that we looked second rate against the leagues benchmark, but then again so do many other teams.

I hope you are right. But going by our past performances against the top eight sides and with our ageing list I think there onto something. Its great we are blooding new kids and this will eventually replace our old timers, but success (challenge for a flag) in the immediate future is very unlikely until this transition has completed, which is by no means an overnight operation.

Yep. Remember we bombed out last year. If we do that again this year then you can only say that they (our critics) were "on to something" some time ago. Unless of course you want to argue that it isn't ALL about being in premiership contention.

 

[Rosken]

Yep. Remember we bombed out last year. If we do that again this year then you can only say that they (our critics) were "on to something" some time ago. Unless of course you want to argue that it isn't ALL about being in premiership contention.

I don't think I need to wait til EOY to say they are onto something, our chances this year in the finals are less optimistic then they were last year, based on our form against the top eight sides this year. BTW its all about premiership contention, there is no prize for second place.

 

[SM]

Remember last year many tipped us for bottom four this year.

Quickly changed their tune this year when we were in top four saying "always thought Sydney could still match it with the best", but we've still far exceeded expectations.

We need to recruit a strong defender and a strong forward, so then Leo can retire, and ease up the load on MOL and Hall before they retire end of next year.

 

[TheMase]

Remember last year many tipped us for bottom four this year.

Quickly changed their tune this year when we were in top four saying "always thought Sydney could still match it with the best", but we've still far exceeded expectations.

This was exactly my point above. They don't have a clue. They are like financial analysts. They have a crack. If they are right, they boast about it. If they are wrong, they pretend it never happened.

Look to when Dunkley, Kelly, Schwass etc retired. Everyone said THEN we'd be a basket case. We were expected to be bottom 4 in our PREMIERSHIP year, let alone this year.

They may well be right about it, however, they are having at best a stab in the dark.