Lloyd - over-rated

[Pevers-Legend]

I know this will insense a lot of people but here me out. Lloyd is not a captain and he never will be. When we needed someone to step up, he was nowhere to be seen. He can't find the footy on his own anymore, and without his kicking accuracy, he has almost zero impact on the game. We all know what he is capable of, but he is seriously under-performing to his potential.

When was the last time we saw Lloyd beat a GOOD opponent, not some hack from the Weagles, I'm talking a Scarlett/Michael etc. Lloyd is supposed to be the best full-forward in the comp, and he was, because he did the team things and moved about. Now he plonks himself in the goal square and when he does move up the ground he is lost.

To be Captain you need to perform when your team needs it and we know Hird always does. And to those who will say he was out of the play - well then perhaps he shouldn't ever be Captain as that is a bullschit excuse. If he can't get into the game what good is he. I thought he and Lucas both should have been dragged on the weekend for being thrashed by their opponents. And Nancy boy Hille, don't get me started on him. What a lazy bugger.

 

[whirl]

If he had of kicked straight he would have beaten Scarlett.

Don't forget Lovett-Murray stole one of his goals.

And he gave off that other one to MJ.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

Originally posted by whirl
If he had of kicked straight he would have beaten Scarlett.

Don't forget Lovett-Murray stole one of his goals.

And he gave off that other one to MJ.

But he kciked poorly. Still think he gets psyched out by good backmen. Instead of doing what he does best, he goes into his shell and quite often gets angry.

Lloyd is not a captain.

 

[dj21]

Originally posted by Pevers-Legend
But he kciked poorly.

Yeah, no one stands the mark as well as scarlett. Most fullbacks just focus on stopping there opponent from taking shots but scarlett knows that if his opponent takes a mark he has won anyway due to his superior standing with arms in the air skills.

Next week lloyd will get 12 possessions, 6 shots on goal and a few assists and his opponent will have been towelled up because lloyd will have 5 goals to his name. Not that his opponent will have done much different to scarlett though.

 

[BomberGal]

Originally posted by Pevers-Legend
I know this will insense a lot of people but here me out. Lloyd is not a captain and he never will be. When we needed someone to step up, he was nowhere to be seen. He can't find the footy on his own anymore, and without his kicking accuracy, he has almost zero impact on the game. We all know what he is capable of, but he is seriously under-performing to his potential.

When was the last time we saw Lloyd beat a GOOD opponent, not some hack from the Weagles, I'm talking a Scarlett/Michael etc. Lloyd is supposed to be the best full-forward in the comp, and he was, because he did the team things and moved about. Now he plonks himself in the goal square and when he does move up the ground he is lost.

To be Captain you need to perform when your team needs it and we know Hird always does. And to those who will say he was out of the play - well then perhaps he shouldn't ever be Captain as that is a bullschit excuse. If he can't get into the game what good is he. I thought he and Lucas both should have been dragged on the weekend for being thrashed by their opponents. And Nancy boy Hille, don't get me started on him. What a lazy bugger.

A little ****ed off are we?

Give him a break. To say that he has never beaten a good full back is out and out crap. Just because he couldn't kick straight doesn't make him a bad leader. Yes, he should have kicked better, but I wouldn't be doubting his ability to lead the team?

So he didn't take control of the game and inspire us like Hird. How many people can? Besides, Lloyd's not captain every week, he's gotta learn, and he will. That's why he's only vice-captain (well, that and the fact we have Hird!) - he can learn to be a better leader. And if he doesn't, then simple - don't promote him.

He hasn't had his best season so far, but I have no doubt that he will improve.

 

[M29]

Originally posted by Pevers-Legend
Lloyd is not a captain.

How does that make him over rated as a full forward or player? I don't think he should be captain, but to suggest he is over rated on that one thing is over the top.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

Re: Re: Lloyd - over-rated

Originally posted by BomberGal
A little ****ed off are we?

Give him a break. To say that he has never beaten a good full back is out and out crap. Just because he couldn't kick straight doesn't make him a bad leader. Yes, he should have kicked better, but I wouldn't be doubting his ability to lead the team?

So he didn't take control of the game and inspire us like Hird. How many people can? Besides, Lloyd's not captain every week, he's gotta learn, and he will. That's why he's only vice-captain (well, that and the fact we have Hird!) - he can learn to be a better leader. And if he doesn't, then simple - don't promote him.

He hasn't had his best season so far, but I have no doubt that he will improve.

No not Peeved at all. Just stating that I don't believe he does as much as he used to. 4-5 years ago he would kick 1 and would have 20 touches. Nowadays he doesn't get it nearly as often, so if he doesn't kick well, then his impact is limited. Apart from that, he does not have enough presence in the forward line. He has bulked up yet still doesn't seem to smash packs the way some other forwards do.

I knew this would draw criticism as we can't say anything bad about old Lloydy can we.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

Originally posted by M29
How does that make him over rated as a full forward or player? I don't think he should be captain, but to suggest he is over rated on that one thing is over the top.

Over rated in his leadership skills, and I don't believe he has improved over the past few seasons. I don't doubt he is a great player, but I just felt when we were looking for a lift from someone, someone to step up, he was clearly the man to do it, and he didn't.

He can lift occasionally, but I just can't see him doing it that often though. When you consider what he is on, it is his job to deliver when it counts.

 

[Yabba]

Originally posted by Pevers-Legend
Lloyd is not a captain.

that is the underlying problem in the list we have, there is one captain, below hird there is no second leader. Something needs to be done about that.

 

[bLuEMoOsE]

He is having his worst season i can remember but he is still 3rd in the colemen medal behind the key forwards of the teams coming first and second. he is 3rd in the AFL for direct goal assists and equal 8th in the comp for contested marks...

He was playing on the best full back in the comp and had 6 shots at goal with 2 more direct assists with the ball coming into the forward line relitivley badly on a night wear the whole team appeared flat.

Basically i disagree though you raise some good points.

 

[essnickess]

Originally posted by Pevers-Legend
...he is seriously under-performing to his potential...

When was the last time we saw Lloyd beat a GOOD opponent, not some hack from the Weagles, I'm talking a Scarlett/Michael etc.

I think underperforming is the right word rather than over rated. As for last time he beat a good opponent (for arguments sake, kicked straight too), last time he played on Michael he beat him well.

 

[PurplePower]

You will see him play a quality full back when Luke McPharlin is matched up to Lloyd this Friday, hopefully McPharlin won't be distracted by the highness of Lloyds shorts

 

[Cooldude]

He needs to be tougher, stand his ground in contested situations, attack the ball harder and also improve his second efforts. Also has to stop giving away stupid frees.

He just isn't doing those one percenters lately, looking for shortcuts, playing for free kicks.

Someone needs to get into his ear and tell him that he's down on form and down on effort and he needs to lift, let's face it, since the Eagles game, he's been down on form.

He's lacking confidence in his kicking, not striking them as cleanly as he was last year.

 

[Big Monster]

Lloyd hasn't been required to kick all our goals this year, so if he has had an off night other goal kickers have stepped up.

with that in mind, it was disappointing to see him miss goals on saturday that you would normally put money on him kicking...

would it have anything to do with him not training with the team last week? any possibility he is carrying an injury?

 

[IceTemple]

Lloyd is a brilliant mark on the lead. Unfortunately he has been double teamed for so long now he finds it hard to do that. He has bulked up to try and be more like Lynch/Lockett and take strong marks in pack situations and to wrestle one-on-one. He is not good at this.

The coaching staff should throw a free man into the forward line to try and "suck" out the 2nd player, especially to the pockets to allow Lloyd to lead up the centre and not to the sides as he has been doing.

Our backman and midfielders need to start (continue going by some games this yr) running the ball up the centre corridor more often. If it comes in quickly Lloyd will kill whoever is on him just as Fraser & Richardson have been able to.

 

[windyhill]

All I can say to this is , Thank the good lord Matthew Lloyd plays for Essendon. Some people are plainly ungrateful.

 

[Dave]

Amen brother. And don't forget collo in your prayers windy.

 

[go team]

james hird is over rated too... remember that carlton game earlier in the year where he did nothing for three quarters.. oh and he was pretty useless saturday night as well.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

Originally posted by windyhill
All I can say to this is , Thank the good lord Matthew Lloyd plays for Essendon. Some people are plainly ungrateful.

I don't believe that, merely that the untouchable needs a wake up call. What, we can only criticise Henneman? All players on the list are fallible and need constructive criticism.

I would just like to say that this in constructive, well that was my intention.

 

[mikeula]

Tend to agree with you Pevers that Lloyd isnt really captaincy material and that we do have a lack of leaders other than Hird.
On Saturday we had no one stand up when we were under the pump. Hird has carried us all of this year and maybe everyone else is used to having a back seat while Hirdy gets started.

When we needed someone to step up there wasnt much there especially from LLoydy. His second half was pretty bad.
He is not overrated but isnt at the standard we are used to

 

[JandS]

He is certainly overrated and seems to play with little or no HEART

 

[go team]

what about MJ mikeula? I thought Johnno stood up all night..


p.s. i think you post with no heart JandS

 

[nonchalance]

Worth noting that JandS barracks for 'Collingwood/Richmond'.

Lloyd is not overrated IMO - he's the best full-forward in the league - but he IS out of form, and we need him firing.

 

[Tough as Nails]

Being a very vocal supporter of essendon but never posting in this forum i totally agree with the above comments but would like to point out that lloydy was on 26 goals after 7 rounds (missed rounds 8,9) last season and finished off the season 5 away from a ton. Give him a couple more weeks and if things dont improve then have a go at him.

 

[Gadget_31]

We shouldnt be to worried about lloydy he's having his worst season yet he's 3rd on the coleman.

And cupido hasnt shown anything yet also, if lloyd and cupido stand up and perform it adds 6-7 goals to our team.