Longmire's coaching

[BombayPolice]

Just an observation I made in the last few months or so but I am of the opinion that Longmire is taking us back to the days of flooding and the 05 game plan of scrapping around for wins.

Roos had us playing good footy last year, some of the best in the league infact and we were racking up high scores often. We had a flowing game and it really showed in the excitement of our games. This year on the other hand we have been really dull and playing the same football which led us to 12th position in 2009 tbh, especially in the last two months.

Thoughts?

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Can't argue with that. I just can't work out, why our forward line has been so unsettled this year? Instead of having Lewis Johnston and Sam Reid as our key forwards with Ben McGlynn and Lewis Jetta as our crumbers, he has mixed and swapped our players heaps around in the forward line.

The forward line is the biggest concern for me at the moment. I thought it would improve, since he was a decent forward himself when he was at North Melbourne playing for them. He should know that you would need two key natural forwards.

Lewis Roberts-Thomson may play a good game up forward every now and then, but he won't kick your 40 to 50 goals a season though. Prefer to have a Reid/Johnston set-up and build our forward line around that.

 

[vonn]

I think people forget our list is just not that good currently.

Yes we have potential, but that is all it is atm, we should be realistic. This is a rebuilding year.

 

[bedford]

Just an observation I made in the last few months or so but I am of the opinion that Longmire is taking us back to the days of flooding and the 05 game plan of scrapping around for wins.

Roos had us playing good footy last year, some of the best in the league infact and we were racking up high scores often. We had a flowing game and it really showed in the excitement of our games. This year on the other hand we have been really dull and playing the same football which led us to 12th position in 2009 tbh, especially in the last two months.

Thoughts?

Have to agree with all that as thats the way we played yesterday

 

[SM]

What coaching?

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

We lost to Richmond last year to, just saying.

 

[BarneyBent]

Our first choice CHF is 19, arguably our best full-time midfielder over the last month is 20, and we simply don't have a FF.

But no, it's Longmire's coaching.

 

[bedford]

The buck stops with the coach

 

[YorshireSwan]

I think people forget our list is just not that good currently.

Yes we have potential, but that is all it is atm, we should be realistic. This is a rebuilding year.

Totally agree with this!

I think we have got a little bit ahead of ourselves but I must admit I have a few concerns with our direction especially as clubs such as WCE and Essendon seem to have passed us in "rebuilding years" too and if Melbourne pick the right next coach they have the potential to pass us by quiet quickly, I dont want to put to much bad perception on Horse but I was worried that we were to hasty in our appointment of him without testing the waters for other coaches with a view to reinventing ourselves just as Geelong has done with Chris Scott, I just hope that Horse can do as our old adverseray Woosha has done with WCE and reinvent us over the summer.

 

[BarneyBent]

The buck stops with the coach

How about the coach that left us without a fit and capable FF, or a CHF who's physically capable of playing the role consistently? Not that I'm having a go at Reid, I think what he's achieved this year has been remarkable and I absolutely love him, but he hasn't been consistent at all (understandably), and consistency is something we need.

Damn that Roos and his terrible list management!

 

[Costanza_]

Too early to draw conclusions about Longmire's coaching ability (or lack thereof). Granted that things have looked pretty rotten over the last two months and he's made some questionable selection decisions - retaining Kennelly, giving Jetta chance after chance while guys like Johnston and TDL aren't given the same luxury, LRT out of position. But he really needs to be given a couple of seasons for us to judge what he's trying to accomplish. He has a relatively young team and they haven't gelled yet.

Our 2005-era style is redundant and we desperately need to develop a style that not only takes the best of the current trend (forward press) but adds initiatives that will set a new trend.

I'm interested in who we will draft (or trade for) this year. Huge focus on footskills please Horse.

 

[blood_work]

Considering Longmire took on the Swans with the loss of some players from retirement and injuries, i didn't expect much of him this year and thought we'll be sitting where we are on the ladder.

Give him another year see what he can do.

At the moment his just average like the team.

His faith in some players is outstanding especially with White and Jetta. So i'll give him that one.

 

[MF]

Too early to draw conclusions about Longmire's coaching ability (or lack thereof). Granted that things have looked pretty rotten over the last two months and he's made some questionable selection decisions - retaining Kennelly, giving Jetta chance after chance while guys like Johnston and TDL aren't given the same luxury, LRT out of position. But he really needs to be given a couple of seasons for us to judge what he's trying to accomplish. He has a relatively young team and they haven't gelled yet.

Our 2005-era style is redundant and we desperately need to develop a style that not only takes the best of the current trend (forward press) but adds initiatives that will set a new trend.

I'm interested in who we will draft (or trade for) this year. Huge focus on footskills please Horse.

This.

I may not agree with everything he does but he hasn't even had a year for ****s sake.

Calm down you gimps.

 

[S120]

What Costanza and Malfan said.

 

[bedford]

This.

I may not agree with everything he does but he hasn't even had a year for ****s sake.

Calm down you gimps.

He has been in our system for 9 years and was pulling the strings in the box for the last couple of years

 

[S120]

It's only been this year that he has had full control of the game plan, list etc. though.

Despite him being in the coaches' box last year, I highly doubt Roos gave full license to do what he wanted (I know Roos said he certainly prepared Longmire for a greater role but it was surely not full control).

I just can't believe people are making judgements and conclusions about him after not even a year as head coach. The judgements you make may well be correct 2 years from now, but I just can't accept that these have a good sample of evidence behind them. There just hasn't been enough time to draw useful conclusions yet.

It's not started outstandingly well, I concede that.

 

[bungee]

He has been in our system for 9 years and was pulling the stings in the box for the last couple of years

Ouch. Nothing puts you off your game like a sting in the box

 

[bedford]

Ouch. Nothing puts you off your game like a sting in the box

You are starting to sound like dudley lol

 

[bungee]

It's only been this year that he has had full control of the game plan, list etc. though.

Despite him being in the coaches' box last year, I highly doubt Roos gave full license to do what he wanted (I know Roos said he certainly prepared Longmire for a greater role but it was surely not full control).

I just can't believe people are making judgements and conclusions about him after not even a year as head coach. The judgements you make may well be correct 2 years from now, but I just can't accept that these have a good sample of evidence behind them. There just hasn't been enough time to draw useful conclusions yet.

It's not started outstandingly well, I concede that.

 

[YorshireSwan]

He has been in our system for 9 years and was pulling the stings in the box for the last couple of years

Agreed! I am not advocating anything like sacking him at all but he certainly does not deserve to be given the same grace that a normal 1st year coach would get, he already knows the players, the club etc the microscope should be definately on him to perform

 

[bungee]

You are starting to sound like dudley lol

You have me at a disadvantage Sir. Who's Dudley ?

 

[bedford]

An ex poster with a touch of sarcasm.
Are you having a late night or moved to a different time zone

 

[Leg End]

This.

I may not agree with everything he does but he hasn't even had a year for ****s sake.

Calm down you gimps.

Well said.
If the players panicked like some fans here do, we'd be history.

 

[legend166]

I think people forget our list is just not that good currently.

Yes we have potential, but that is all it is atm, we should be realistic. This is a rebuilding year.

We finished 5th last year and really should have made the preliminary final.

This year we're going to struggle to make the finals.

I think we've got a good list. Obviously it's not playing well. But I think we've got the cattle.

My problem with Longmire is that he's just so slow to make the changes that everyone can see are necessary. I know we lost Bradshaw and Bolton, but if Longmire was actually setting up the side as if those two would be mainstays, he made a horrible, horrible mistake. The fact we still don't have anywhere near a settled forward line at round 22 is just ridiculous.

 

[HardenUp]

Bradshaw, Bolton and even Kirk had little influence last year, so their retirements should be a BONUS for Longmire. He has more depth. At worst it's neutral.

Not only has he added nothing to our game plan, he has made some howlers in areas like the sub rule - playing Moore and Seaby as the sub was genuinely alarming.

Makes you wonder how he handles the less obvious decisions.